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AshimotoK0:
Hear a lot about how crap Haynes manuals for our bikes are on here. Just looking at the Haynes manual for the CX500, the section on the ignition system in it looks truly excellent to me (I gave my Genuine CX manual to RGP750 on here). Back in my late 20's  I totally rebuilt a CB72, CB160, 4x CB250K's, 1x CB350K4 and I also totally rebuilt 2 400/4 engines (one with new crank shells chosen for main bearings as the crank came from a breakers) all  using Haynes manuals plus the excellent two page features given in MCM in conjunction with the Honda UK Service School. I got the Honda Manual recently for the CB72/77 and quite frankly I would have struggled back in the day to rebuild the engine using  that manual. Lots of pigeon English and not so brilliant pictures plus no practical tips on rebuilding on a student budget.

OK there may be some glaring errors in Haynes manuals but there are plenty of those in the Genuine manuals and I agree some cover multi models, which is slightly confusing. I would agree on Clymer manuals ...totally confusing..I have quite a few but If the missus chucked 'em in the bin I wouldn't be heartbroken but I wouldn't part with the Haynes ones.
 
If Haynes manuals are described as crap .. then why? I never rebuilt a CB750 engine back in the day using one for that model, 'cos I couldn't afford the bike .. I do have the Haynes Manual for it now and perhaps that one is the duffer?  Anyone else on here got anything positive to say on Haynes manuals? I recently got the Haynes & Genuine CB250G5 manuals that came from Alan Mountain's Honda closed dealership in York... both were well used with oily marks prolific in both. They were a top Honda dealer (My UK 750K0 came from there...they must have been pretty special to get allocated two bikes from the prized 1st 20 batch bikes imported to the UK in Jan 1970), who won regular prize trips to Honda in Japan and would have almost certainly have been trained up by Honda on fixing bikes but they must have referred to the Haynes manual regularly judging by the state of it.

BTW in addition to all of the Genuine Manuals I put in my Dropbox on here, I also have the Haynes Manuals for most of them, so if anyone ever wants me to scan parts/all of them,  then just ask ...there is no shame on my part.

Bryanj:
I have found glaring mistakes in the Haynes manuals (specially brit models), but as you say also in genuine ones. Haynes are a good low price manual for the person who does his own regular maintenance but need to be read alongside a "real" manual for a full rebuild

Nurse Julie:

--- Quote from: Bryanj on October 05, 2017, 08:09:38 AM ---I have found glaring mistakes in the Haynes manuals (specially brit models), but as you say also in genuine ones. Haynes are a good low price manual for the person who does his own regular maintenance but need to be read alongside a "real" manual for a full rebuild

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Yes Bryan, plenty of mistakes as well. But, how is a novice meant to know what a 'mistake' is if they have not had the practical experience previously to learn what is a mistake?

kevski:

--- Quote from: Nurse Julie on October 05, 2017, 09:27:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: Bryanj on October 05, 2017, 08:09:38 AM ---I have found glaring mistakes in the Haynes manuals (specially brit models), but as you say also in genuine ones. Haynes are a good low price manual for the person who does his own regular maintenance but need to be read alongside a "real" manual for a full rebuild

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Yes Bryan, plenty of mistakes as well. But, how is a novice meant to know what a 'mistake' is if they have not had the practical experience previously to learn what is a mistake?

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How is anyone supposed to know? the answer is research! if you have not got the sense to do this you haven't got the sense to do the job, there are plenty of mistakes in factory, clymer, and haynes manuals, but i have found all relatively good, where they all fall down is torque settings especially when it comes to chrome plated bolts these need a lot less as the surface is super slippery and you can very easily strip what you are tightening into.

florence:
I've always found Haynes for CB500 to be very useful.  I never managed to find one for CB350 which annoyed me.  The one I do have is published by Cycleserv, Sydney and is a bit dodgy.

The Haynes for the Land Rover Series 2/3 is great.

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