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Bryanj:
There was a saying going round when i was a college technician.

Those that can, do
Those that can't teach
And those that can't teach, teach teachers!!!!!!

Lobo:
I get where you’re coming from Bob, but at 60+ have learned what’s obvious to me ain’t so to others. And having been involved in instruction / examining much of my working life (er, thanks Bryan!) the best way to ensure a worst outcome is ridicule / belittlement etc.

This year I joined a Moto Guzzi forum as it’s all ECUs, mapping and crap that I’m totally at odds with. I managed to cope / maintain dignity (just!) - but by god is that forum different to this. I rarely look at it or post now; it is generally good, but alas prone to too much testosterone & outbursts such as, “You fucking muppet, I told you 3 posts ago it was the xxx switch”.
I can really do without fellows’ being bullied; that is what is so good about this forum of Steve’s and ‘us lot’.

taysidedragon:
I was lucky when I got into bikes at 17. My dad was an experienced engineer and showed me the proper way to build engines and repair things. I started out on British singles and twins, which were quite simple so a good place to learn.
Even after years and years of experience fitting parts and rebuilding engines I was a bit reluctant to do a complete rebuild on a 400f. Once you get into it it's not that bad, I don't know why I was holding back.

Some people don't have the good fortune of a mentor readily at hand to show them the ropes. They are not going to know how to use a torque wrench or a micrometer, the right way to use feeler gauges, or which parts to lubricate on assembly.

It's risky relying on YouTube videos to teach yourself because there's an awful lot of crap ones out there. Someone learning won't know which ones are right and which ones are wrong.

Some questions may be basic, but we all have to start somewhere, so ask away.

McCabe-Thiele (Ted):

--- Quote from: bobv7 on November 11, 2020, 03:08:34 PM ---First off an apology to anyone who feels targeted by this; honestly not intended!

Having read some of the questions being posted on this forum, have we got to the stage where we overthink just about everything? I read most topics out of interest and occasionally to see if I can offer an opinion or suggestion, but some are so basic and simple that I just think WHAT!!!!!. Are you really asking that! Most of the bikes owned here are so basic and simple to work on that back in the day a spanner in one hand and a Haynes manual in the other would have sorted nearly all problems. I know that sometimes this could end in the most horrendous insults to Japan's finest and a lot of non standard remedies resulted, but unless you had a mate handy with the tools you were on your own. Perhaps it's down to the arrogance of youth that all things were doable with a screwdriver and hammer but come on, age and experience should at least have some influence at this time of life?

Just get stuck in! End of rant.:D

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So who or what is this self righteous post really aimed at that you seem to be suggesting that as you understand bikes so should everyone else as they are so simple to work on? The purpose of this whole site is it not is to share knowledge so that people can learn from the likes of probably yourself plus the many other really helpful folk here.  The posts of project builds with superb photos of restorations is truly inspiring.

Speaking for myself as a youngster of 72 years who has a background of working on motor cycles up until I was about 21 yrs then moving onto cars until around 5 years ago when poor health prevented me from maintaining not just my vehicles but that of my family and friends I consider myself pretty skilled as a mechanic.

What I have noticed is that publications such as Haynes Workshop Manuals have over the years become wanting in the actual detail of how parts are fitted. Photographs have fallen in quality with the text lacking basic information such as which way round a chamfered washer should be fitted on  say a crankshaft. Added to that is the move for a manual covering multiple variants of a model so some photos are of no help whatsoever.

Speaking for myself when I was younger I suspect my short  memory was good enough to not have a need to photograph items before I dismantled them being easily able to reassemble an item weeks later. Lastly there is another aspect for me especially now that I am working on motor cycles again - that is a loss in self confidence with age and unfamiliar territory as I feel my way around my project.

As a teenager I had my father who was a Rolls Royce & Bentley Cars trained mechanic to guide me. I know that as I have asked questions and been provided sometimes with different answers my cognitive skills have improved thanks completely to members here who have given me advice without being condescending or critical of my questions.

If you feel some questions here are too basic, simple or obvious  perhaps you should look at yourself and ask yourself  why you have that view rather than blame the questioner on the forum. Maybe you have just posted to provoke or after a bad day if that  is the case fine but perhaps some thought on your part  beforehand would have avoided my response. I am not being defensive or antagonistic but you need to be told that others are not as skilled or smart as you and seek answers here.

Perhaps I'm overthinking this - but I've had my rant now so all is well in the world of Honda sohc for me.

SteveD CB500K0:

--- Quote from: Bryanj on November 11, 2020, 11:43:47 PM ---There was a saying going round when i was a college technician.

Those that can, do
Those that can't teach
And those that can't teach, teach teachers!!!!!!

--- End quote ---
You didn’t marry a teacher then Bryan?


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