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Lobo:
I think the thread is slightly misleading as it seems (to me) that we’re assuming ICE cars will be banned from 2030. This is not the case, rather you won’t be able to buy a new one from that date. So, presumably, you could buy an ICE in Dec 2029, and expect legislations / infrastructures to support it for at least 10 years. (?)
That would take us up to 2040, and after this date one would hope fuel would be still available to support classic vehicles with the appropriate approvals. (That would satisfy most of us on this forum 😂)

I think latest legislation has now mandated EVs to include ‘noise’ to aid pedestrians up to urban speeds. Our 2yo i3’s (virtual 🙁) Handbook refers noise generation as a forthcoming fit. (Ie not option)

The BMW i8 (more of a concept car) provides selectable V8 etc noise generation ... within! Guess that’s for the dinosaurs 😂. (But why wouldn’t ya just buy a V8??). I’ll be honest, I don’t get noisy cars, and don’t get me started Harleys & their bloody din. To accelerate from standstill to motorway speeds in one big push / in complete silence is however, impressive.

Comments have been made about the stupidity of lumping around small ICE Range Extenders, and Hybrids.
(1) it is unfair to expect technology to provide us with the perfect replacement in one iteration. The early EVs had 60mile ranges (or so) due battery technology, and to meet strict Californian laws on the definition of an EV, whilst satisfying those with range anxiety, BMW chose to option a small included ICE generator with minimal fuel tank. This 650cc REX (Range Extender) was never intended for daily use, but more as redundancy. It stayed as an option through to the 94Ah battery.
Recently BMW have dropped the REX as the latest battery (120Ah) range is considered sufficient.

(2) Hybrids kinda don’t make sense as all the motive force ultimately comes from the fuel tank. And yet Toyota’s RAV 4 Hybrid quotes efficiency as something like 4.5 L / 100km...versus their pure ICE variant quoting 7L/100km. So... the technology makes sense. (I guess it’s because you can run the ICE at max efficiency most of the time?)

An interesting thread... thanks.

Disclaimer! I’m no BMW fan, there are a lot of good EVs out there. But... I was swayed by its carbon-fibre / composite build, its REX, and the fact that it was designed and built as an EV from day #1. It’s impressed me, the engineering is genuinely superb.

royhall:
The BMW I8 is a fantastic looking car and the tech in there is unbelievable. But at £115,000 it bloody well should be. Not really an everyman car nor the answer to anything green. Due to the vast quantity of greenhouse emissions involved in making a standard new car never mind the battery problems of an EV it's been proved that the cleanest car you will ever drive is the one you have now. The emissions from your present car will never match the massive emissions of building a new car and recycling your old one. Good stunt to frighten the population into buying new cars on mass though. This whole 2030 thing is a poorly thought out hodge podge yet again. The biggest economic change in the countries history hits in 6 weeks perhaps we should get through that first before the next scheme.

ST1100:

--- Quote from: Lobo on November 20, 2020, 11:18:11 PM ---(1) it is unfair to expect technology to provide us with the perfect replacement in one iteration.
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(2) Hybrids kinda don’t make sense as all the motive force ultimately comes from the fuel tank.
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So why is the flow-cell technology still suppressed then? (likely lobbying... ::))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_battery
We could use/adapt existing infrastructure (gas stations, plants, tank storage...) easily, we are used to handle "potential harmful liquids" due petrol/diesel, drivers wouldn't need to change behavior (drive up to the pump, replace tank content with replenished solutions, be back on the road within 5 minutes...), 50~80ltr filling could carry you +800km and more (instead of hauling a battery arrays weighting about a ton...)

AshimotoK0:
Fascinating story in the link below. I know somebody who has one in his barn totally unrestored .. he was a supplier of key componets at the start of the project. BTW ..persevere with it until after the intro ..it's not all in Greek and they do interview the original UK design guys.

Click on 'Sorry watch on Vimeo' message and enter password 8000


password  8000

Trigger:
Never trust Greeks with car manufacturing, i remember the Pony  :o

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