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Ten years to go until electric...

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Warthog1959:
The long way up with Charlie Boorman and Ewan McGregor reveals loads about ebikes and ecars I’m only on episode 3 but the 13,000 mile trip from the the southern top of Argentina to LA isn’t going to be easy, but what a massive learning curve for the manufacturers. The support vehicles are electric 4 x 4’s and the bikes are electric Harley Davidsons. There are many difficulties, but in a harsh environment. Sorry if this is already mentioned, hasn’t had time to read it all.

Lobo:
Wow Ash, you certainly dig up the most interesting stuff. One notable point was the billions of $ spent ‘protecting’ / ensuring oil supplies .... and the fact that this significant cost is never seen at the pump as gets lumped in with National Security.

Roy, can’t disagree with your point wrt current car being the green’ist. But... it ain’t a practical comment - like us, cars wear out! And the BMW i8, to my knowledge is not a serious offering, but rather a concept / toy-for-the-rich car.

ST1100 - I can’t answer that, I’m so bloody jaded with “fake news” that I honestly don’t know what to believe anymore. (genuinely). You say this... and 3 posts later someone else will chip in with his views on the safest / cheapest / kindest to Mother Earth  ... wrt battery type. It’s all politics - you gravitate to what you want to believe.
My only thought / answer, is that, in this overly commercialised world, no manufacturer, given the stakes, is going to invest massive outlay in risky technology - whether it be commercial, safety, lead time, infrastructure issues .. whatever.

What I can comment though, is based on owning & driving both ICE & EVs. One is undoubtedly the way forward, and the other, well, triumph over adversity. Oh, and btw, I was economical with the truth on the EV servicing costs... I forgot to mention replacement wiper blades 😂.

AshimotoK0:

--- Quote from: Trigger on November 21, 2020, 12:11:51 PM ---Never trust Greeks with car manufacturing, i remember the Pony  :o

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So glad you enjoyed it Graham. Maybe this clip is more to your taste  :) :) :) :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6VJ6_4yCkw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zWauVX9QyY

I gleaned this from the man I know who supplied parts in the UK for the original car.

“We supplied all the contactors for the car and the control system by today’s standards was to say the least a bit primitive. It had 48V batteries and its speed was regulated by first of all, batteries being in parallel = 12V, then two in parallel in series with two in parallel = 24V, then all batteries in series  = 48V. In between each voltage stage the motor fields were switched from parallel to series giving a total of 6 speeds. Each stage was switched by our changeover contactor.
 
The vehicles undoing, apart from its cost, was of course the good old lead acid battery – massive weight with limited capacity and consequent short range. This shortcoming was compounded by the fact that the car used lorry batteries rather than traction batteries. Automobile and lorry batteries are unsuitable for deep discharges and of course electric cars deep discharge their batteries consistently and battery life was thus limited”.

ST1100:
One might also wonder about the real motives they killed the EV1 over on 2002...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1

BTW is it predicted that the costs of charging an EV will soon be noticeable higher then filling a tank with conventional fuel...

Athame57:

--- Quote from: AshimotoK0 on November 21, 2020, 03:49:09 PM ---


The vehicles undoing, apart from its cost, was of course the good old lead acid battery – massive weight with limited capacity and consequent short range. This shortcoming was compounded by the fact that the car used lorry batteries rather than traction batteries. Automobile and lorry batteries are unsuitable for deep discharges and of course electric cars deep discharge their batteries consistently and battery life was thus limited”.


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Oh why can't they just use lithium batteries like they do in my pocket camera, they last miles longer than the usual batteries! ;D

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