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Doubts about EVs
McCabe-Thiele (Ted):
--- Quote from: K2-K6 on June 24, 2023, 12:26:31 PM ---
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--- Quote from: AshimotoK0 on June 24, 2023, 11:32:10 AM ---Just bought at a new Honda Jazz Hybrid .. being delivered on Monday, after a VW transporter wrote my wife Cathy's Yaris off a few weeks back in a massive rear end shunt, when she stopped to let a man & child cross the road.
Evidently the Jazz has only one gear and no CVT belt etc . Will see how it pans out.
People where I work have Tesla/Jaguar iPace/Hyundai EV's. Not particularly impressed with any of them as when they travel any large distance seem to opt for using their respective partners conventional cars. .... the dash on the Tesla has some interior cappings that look like they have been finished in 1960's wood-effect 'Fablon'.
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So is the gearbox a dual clutch automatic or fully manual ?
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Mostly petrol generator Ted, but with ability to use a conventional traction clutch to connect "generator" unit to wheels at higher speed, likely a 1:1 ratio.
In effect, primarily electric with power reserves at sufficient level, plus generator, plus petrol assist on longer journey.
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/honda/jazz-hybrid/
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So it is a sort of Series Hybrid rather than a Parallel Hybrid if I can get my hear around the concept - how economical is it no figures in the article?
K2-K6:
--- Quote from: royhall on June 24, 2023, 12:40:58 PM ---Why electric? All the things they could do with existing technology ie. maximum car size, maximum car weight, must do 50mpg on the urban cycle, maximum rolling resistance (stops cars like BMW X6's huge tyres) etc etc etc. They could introduce these type of things right now, but not a thing has or will be done. The average miles per gallon today is less than it was in the 60's due in main to the size of the cars. No political will to actually do anything but come up with laws to keep the economy growing. Bottom line, looks good for them and they can sell you something. Green, don't make me laugh.
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A good point Roy, something that Pat Symonds in F1 technical said "the aim/desire/target should be specified and not the method" broadly speaking.
Succesive regulation has given us the method, which then looks out of date, stating what the goal is will then accumulate the best thinking etc to achieve that.
The cityscape emissions thinking looks at their own concerns regarding air quality, they don't include power generation etc in their public facing proposals.
K2-K6:
--- Quote from: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on June 24, 2023, 12:51:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: K2-K6 on June 24, 2023, 12:26:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on June 24, 2023, 12:14:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: AshimotoK0 on June 24, 2023, 11:32:10 AM ---Just bought at a new Honda Jazz Hybrid .. being delivered on Monday, after a VW transporter wrote my wife Cathy's Yaris off a few weeks back in a massive rear end shunt, when she stopped to let a man & child cross the road.
Evidently the Jazz has only one gear and no CVT belt etc . Will see how it pans out.
People where I work have Tesla/Jaguar iPace/Hyundai EV's. Not particularly impressed with any of them as when they travel any large distance seem to opt for using their respective partners conventional cars. .... the dash on the Tesla has some interior cappings that look like they have been finished in 1960's wood-effect 'Fablon'.
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So is the gearbox a dual clutch automatic or fully manual ?
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Mostly petrol generator Ted, but with ability to use a conventional traction clutch to connect "generator" unit to wheels at higher speed, likely a 1:1 ratio.
In effect, primarily electric with power reserves at sufficient level, plus generator, plus petrol assist on longer journey.
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/honda/jazz-hybrid/
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So it is a sort of Series Hybrid rather than a Parallel Hybrid if I can get my hear around the concept - how economical is it no figures in the article?
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Yes it seems to be principally electric as first choice, but battery capacity is clearly going to dictate actions from then onward and dependant on user profile. Their dedicated E car has relatively modest battery and range around 120 miles as determined by them that a city transport vehicle has best balance of attributes (payload, weight etc) at that specification. Fit for constricted use profile in other words.
No idea of fuel consumption reality.
AshimotoK0:
--- Quote from: K2-K6 on June 24, 2023, 01:34:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on June 24, 2023, 12:51:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: K2-K6 on June 24, 2023, 12:26:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on June 24, 2023, 12:14:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: AshimotoK0 on June 24, 2023, 11:32:10 AM ---Just bought at a new Honda Jazz Hybrid .. being delivered on Monday, after a VW transporter wrote my wife Cathy's Yaris off a few weeks back in a massive rear end shunt, when she stopped to let a man & child cross the road.
Evidently the Jazz has only one gear and no CVT belt etc . Will see how it pans out.
People where I work have Tesla/Jaguar iPace/Hyundai EV's. Not particularly impressed with any of them as when they travel any large distance seem to opt for using their respective partners conventional cars. .... the dash on the Tesla has some interior cappings that look like they have been finished in 1960's wood-effect 'Fablon'.
--- End quote ---
So is the gearbox a dual clutch automatic or fully manual ?
--- End quote ---
Mostly petrol generator Ted, but with ability to use a conventional traction clutch to connect "generator" unit to wheels at higher speed, likely a 1:1 ratio.
In effect, primarily electric with power reserves at sufficient level, plus generator, plus petrol assist on longer journey.
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/honda/jazz-hybrid/
--- End quote ---
So it is a sort of Series Hybrid rather than a Parallel Hybrid if I can get my hear around the concept - how economical is it no figures in the article?
--- End quote ---
Yes it seems to be principally electric as first choice, but battery capacity is clearly going to dictate actions from then onward and dependant on user profile. Their dedicated E car has relatively modest battery and range around 120 miles as determined by them that a city transport vehicle has best balance of attributes (payload, weight etc) at that specification. Fit for constricted use profile in other words.
No idea of fuel consumption reality.
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I believe (hope that it's in the high 50's) One neighbour and ex-neighbour both have the X-Star version (same engine and drive) and it is reputedly a little bit less economical and they quote 56 and the other 60. As I said though ..we will see how it pans out. A small EV would deffo be a no-no for my wife, as she openly admits, she would constantly be running flat and no way could any of them do a journey to see my daughter & family each week without a recharge mid journey.
McCabe-Thiele (Ted):
A good friend of mine has a Toyota Auris Estate - Petrol self charging Hybrid it's always well over 50 mpg even including local runs.
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