Choosing a colour for a paint job

[paul G]

Ash,     I would also argue the fact that 2k is not good in contact with the eyes and skin.
That is the reason I/they use full face mask even outside

[AshimotoK0]

Ash,     I would also argue the fact that 2k is not good in contact with the eyes and skin.
That is the reason I/they use full face mask even outside

I agree 100%  Paul and I always  use an air fed mask with 2k products. But there are lots of people who don't .. even pro's . It doesnt help though that sellers actually list masks like the Gerson as suitable for 2k and most YouTube videos that I watch ..there is no sign of an air-fed.
Last year I had a battle with ProXL over their 2K primer.. Their data sheet and every seller was listing as Iso free but the can said contains isocyanate. I called them and they were in total denial but then agreed the datasheet was wrong and they would change it. A month later it wasn't changed si I threatened them with the HSE, which prompted a rapid correction. But then the resellers didnt change their listing even when I alerted them ..one seller was quite abusive coming out with sh*t like "Bet you are fun at parties " but then I challenged them back telling them to not to come running to me if someone croaks due to an asthma attack from breathing the iso crap ..they then reluctantly changed the listing. But surely all of this stemmed from the complacency of ProXL. It's a UK based company ..bet the German stuff is properly labelled.
I am fun at parties BTW as long as I am talking Hondas with like minded Anoraks.

[Bryanj]

Ash you are always fun, party or not!

[Seabeowner]

FWIW Rust-Olem is petrol resistant - although they have a good nozzle you will probably not get the finish you desire. IIRC it works on all manner of materials so side panels would be good

I doubt whether any 1k paint is truly E10 fuel resistant Ted. I bought some that was supposedly petrol resistant and it was sh*te

You really need 2k IMHO.  Like this

 https://www.spraymax.com/en/products/product/clear-coats-and-spot-blender/2k-clear-coat/

Or if it's a solid colour then 2k aerosol by ProXL. something like :  https://www.paints4u.com/Customer/ProductDetails/Index/11983

I used the Spraymax lacquer on my recent brown spray to finish. Good lacquer transforms the finish and Spraymax is like glass (and that hard). It was to be candy garnet brown, but in the end preferred a dark candy copper brown.
Used a oil free compressor to feed me air for safety.

[DomP]

Has anyone used CCR Custom Paints?

[Honda enthusiast]

I've just finished my paint work on the Laverda and the clear coat I have used is hmg nisocoat 2 which is a 2k clear non isocyanate and can do the job just as well from what the maker in Manchester tells me...it's mixed clear/hardener/thinners in 3/2/0.75 and dries hard in 24 hours at 20 degrees Celsius, fully cured in a week for polishing....
I'm told it's petrol proof when cured...

Only snag is you need a gun with a 1.4 to 1.8 nozzle

Hubert

[DomP]

Thanks Hubert, I'm going down the budget route with rattle cans and 2k lacquer.  If it's not the desired quality of finish I'll get it done professionally but doing it myself is an itch I need to scratch.

[DomP]

Thanks Ash! I'm finally getting back around to looking at this, I'm getting quotes of £500-750 to do a one colour paint job which is more than I can afford right now so a DIY job is in the cards.  Shame the summer is over as I'd do it outside under a gazebo.  As I'm just doing the lacquer in 2k if I'm sensible with a Gerson mask would I be OK?

[AshimotoK0]

Thanks Ash! I'm finally getting back around to looking at this, I'm getting quotes of £500-750 to do a one colour paint job which is more than I can afford right now so a DIY job is in the cards.  Shame the summer is over as I'd do it outside under a gazebo.  As I'm just doing the lacquer in 2k if I'm sensible with a Gerson mask would I be OK?

I wouldn't really like to say .. lots of people do it with a Gerson mask & painting outside. Problem is the isocyanate also gets into your skin and eyes too. Personally I always use my air-fed mask but I have to be mega careful, as my wife already suffers from asthma badly. You can get non-iso 2k clear .. I have never tried it but worth investigating. You would need to check on it's suitability for fuel resistance but RS Bikepaints claim it is. Not that I would get it from them ..bound to be somewhere a lot cheaper. I did hear that it takes a lot longer to cure than the iso stuff but that was ages ago

Ha ha ... RS had to state their supplier of 2k iso-free clerar coat lacquer in their Safety data sheet:  https://www.rsbikepaint.com/en-gb/datasheets.php

TECHNICO SURFACE COATINGS LIMITED UNIT 14 BLYTHE PARK, SANDON ROAD CRESSWELL, STOKE ON TRENT STAFFORDSHIRE. ST11 9RD. TEL: +44 (0)1782 397400 EMAIL : info@technicouk.com

 https://www.rsbikepaint.com/en-gb/motorcycle-product-details.php?productid=302

Application data here:- https://www.rsbikepaint.com/en-gb/datasheets/2klaqnoniso-instructions.pdf

[DomP]

I was more meaning a rattle can job Ash, proper budget end of things.  My tank has had the badge brackets filled over and has a few light dings with a rather crap respray so I wonder if I should strip it back to bare metal and see what wonders lie beneath.

[AshimotoK0]

I was more meaning a rattle can job Ash, proper budget end of things.  My tank has had the badge brackets filled over and has a few light dings with a rather crap respray so I wonder if I should strip it back to bare metal and see what wonders lie beneath.

Pretty sure I have seen that non-iso 2k clear in a can Dom .. will check.

Decent video here on masks:-

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSFlIpPoFKw

[DomP]

I've done a basic magnet test on my tank as I suspected its got quite a bit of filler in it, sure enough it has some areas with far weaker magnetism,  the question is do I just sand it back to get a key before painting it of bite the bullet and go back to bare metal and refill all areas?

[AshimotoK0]

I wouldn't personally trust anyone else's filler .. I would strip it all and do it yourself ... then you know it's good and you don't waste all of your effort if it delaminates at some point.

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

I agree with Ash. I would strip the paint off first then you will see the true extent of filler used.
Once stripper has been used to remove paint it can be absorbed into the filler surface with the potential for future paint reaction/bubling problems.

I've no recent experience of removing old filler, newer products might bond quite well to good metal. I did a spell in a bodyshop back in 1974/5 when the panel beaters/sprayers used molten lead as the filler. I did the sanding down afterwards to shape the curves of the panels. I found it rewarding doing the preparation and primer coat.

[DomP]

Thanks Chaps.  Molten lead, I've a feeling my tank would weigh a ton with that as a filler😀