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New pattern clocks
Athame57:
--- Quote from: Mikep328 on August 09, 2024, 01:22:57 PM ---One thing to be aware of for Concours folks if you haven't already noticed from the pics posted earlier: The clocks do NOT have the "NIPPON SEIKI" trademark at the 6 o'clock position on the face AND the speedo has a label at the "130" MPH mark where on the original (at least on my '76 UK model), "120" is the last labeled index line. The original has an index line for 130 MPH but it is not labeled
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You've got the version 2 then, mine has 130 mph labeled, and yes, if you peep down the bottom side you'll see Nippon Seiki down there. The is also a version that has the speed in Kph in smaller numerals on the inside track. See this: https://www.cb750faces.com/en/honda-cb400-four/86-437-honda-cb400f-four-face-plates-set-mph.html#/29-set_of_two_crimp_rings-not_included/61-version_speedo-version_1
Version 1 is obviously for the UK market because of the red line at 70mph.
Athame57:
Well ain't that pretty? ;D My correct tacho base arrived this morning, boy DSS put that right quick. Fitting still wasn't plain sailing for me though because while the headlamp shell was open I had pulled a wire that was going to give at some point anyway from the light bulb housing, fixing that it wasn't a job I could do myself for the want of tools, so off to the garage and it cost me £20.oo to get sorted, stil it could have happened in a worse time and place! ;)
kent400:
Speedometers fitted to the 400 Fours marked to 130mph were only sold in the USA, UK models were marked to 120mph no idea why there's a difference. Internally both types are the same. Replica ones are only suitable for the F1 model as the F2 has a km/h scale in green on the dial face.
A few owners have been unhappy with the CB750F replica gauges, internally those are similar to Seiki gauges and nothing like the the original ND ones. Those are only suitable for later models with a side trip reset rather than those that have the rear reset.
Only a few weeks ago a never fitted CB750F tacho appeared, Marked ND with a dial face screw that had fallen out and obviously the screw hasn't been tightened when the gauge was assembled. In fact it wasn't an ND the mechanism it was a Seiki type. Obviously a replica masquerading as a genuine ND. Something to watch out for.
As for the replica 400F ones it will be interesting to hear owners views as time goes by.
Mikep328:
As is true with most pattern parts for just about any vehicle, the ONLY people that will know the difference is a Concours judge...or some folks on this website! Nobody that walks up and looks at the bike is going to notice that (in the case of the DSS instruments) there is no "NIPPON SEIKI" trademark/logo in small caps at the bottom of the face (6'oclock position) OR that it has "130" at the last index mark where the original UK version did not.
One thing that MIGHT be worth considering re adding the new clocks is that they (of course) look brand new while the rest of the bike probably does not. I will admit that while I really disliked the faded red zone of the old tach, I would prefer a little bit of "fading" on the new ones to better match the bike. I still want it "red," not a slightly pinkish off-white like my old one, just a tiny bit less red! :)
Athame57:
--- Quote from: Mikep328 on August 12, 2024, 09:47:09 AM ---One thing that MIGHT be worth considering re adding the new clocks is that they (of course) look brand new while the rest of the bike probably does not. I will admit that while I really disliked the faded red zone of the old tach, I would prefer a little bit of "fading" on the new ones to better match the bike. I still want it "red," not a slightly pinkish off-white like my old one, just a tiny bit less red! :)
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I've got a new tank & cap, switchgear and repainted yoke to go with my clocks ;D With a bit of patience your red zone will fade especially if you make apoint of leaving it in the sunlight, right now would be a good time to start! ;)
I now know the 130mph speedo I just changed can't have been the original so I don't know even more so what her true mileage is, not that I really care.
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