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Re: CB550 Tuning Advice
« Reply #45 on: Today at 10:28:24 AM »
My bike is 50 years old now and the O-rings on the T-joints are still the originals. If you keep your carbs in a natural state - which is wet - they live forever. Honda did it really well. For a reason: the last thing Honda wanted was for mechanics to grumble about having to replace those O-rings—a task that required taking the carburetors apart— to then having to present their customers a hefty bill.

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Re: CB550 Tuning Advice
« Reply #46 on: Today at 04:09:59 PM »
Actually Honda went out of their way to make it as complicated as possible for owners to keep on top of their bikes. Massive amounts of special tools required according to them, vac gauges, dwell meters, are prime examples. They also tried to deceive owners by saying certain production marks were to be ignored when it fact they were the exact marks you needed to work out shell bearings. They wanted you to go to the dealers and spend more, they got more profit from servicing and parts  than they did from selling the bike in the first place. You learn all this when you go on training courses.

Original Honda seals and rings should be ok until they increase the ethanol content, when it goes above 10 then expect them to start failing quite quickly.
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Re: CB550 Tuning Advice
« Reply #47 on: Today at 05:05:03 PM »
Actually Honda went out of their way to make it as complicated as possible for owners to keep on top of their bikes. Massive amounts of special tools required according to them, vac gauges, dwell meters, are prime examples. They also tried to deceive owners by saying certain production marks were to be ignored when it fact they were the exact marks you needed to work out shell bearings. They wanted you to go to the dealers and spend more, they got more profit from servicing and parts  than they did from selling the bike in the first place. You learn all this when you go on training courses.
Gee, that's quite a statement. I don't think Honda ever had owners doing shell bearing jobs in mind, do you? Personally I can't blame Honda for that.
Original Honda seals and rings should be ok until they increase the ethanol content, when it goes above 10 then expect them to start failing quite quickly.
Where did you learn that?
I stick to science. https://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,206216.msg2333063.html#msg2333063
Recently I've changed from V-Power to Shell's E10 Fuelsave and I like it. I just add a small dose of Startron's Enzyme Fuel treatment: 14ml for every 10 liters. It's the favourite of yacht mechanics who service outboards which have long periods of inactivity.
I don't know what happened but gas mileage has improved a lot. My recent carb adjusting job may also have attributed.

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Re: CB550 Tuning Advice
« Reply #48 on: Today at 08:51:58 PM »
The amount of people enquiring at parts departments in the UK for advise on how to choose what colour shell bearings to fit became a problem at our dealership. The parts people didn't know and couldn't advise anyone on what to fit. Not much was known about them at the time. People were relying on workshop manuals for guidance and Honda were not being truthful on how to select them. They wanted owners to go to a dealership and have them do the job. I knew the trick of how to work out the colours required, one of the Honda trainers passed it onto me. So in the end I was always the mechanic they were told to ask for by the parts department. I was happy to help them out. In the 70s owners did far more maintenance than today, so yes Honda would have that in mind, hence why they made it so difficult to understand the process.

If you look at the markings on Honda fuel lines for instance you can see they are only rated to withstand 10 parts Ethanol and that's the stuff Honda are still providing to this day. Orings are made of nitrile not viton, so even if they matched the same spec as the fuel line they'll fail after the content goes beyond E10. Seals MAY last a little longer but I doubt it, technology in the 70s wasn't that advanced, certainly not to the point they'd be planning for large amounts of Ethanol in fuel. They were still using leaded petrol back then, remember when they were unsure of how valve seats would withstand unleaded fuel, no forward planning at all.

Honda weren't alone in doing this, all of the Japanese manufacturers did it. They never imagined a bike lasting for this amount of time so why future proof them, it costs more and thus they earn less profit.
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