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Title: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: Nurse Julie on December 19, 2016, 05:57:29 PM
Hi Chaps
Do I still need to SORN a historic class bike?. I have looked on DVLA but can't find the answer
Ta in advance
Julie
Title: Re: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: Johnwebley on December 19, 2016, 06:02:10 PM
Hi Chaps
Do I still need to SORN a historic class bike?. I have looked on DVLA but can't find the answer
Ta in advance
Julie


 as it doesn't cost anything,why bother,But if you stripping it down and rebuilding ,I suggest yes,just email the DVLA
Title: Re: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: Nurse Julie on December 19, 2016, 06:08:16 PM
My way of thinking John (womens logic !!! ::) ::)) is that if it's not required to be taxed, it's not required to be SORN'd either. I was going to SORN it anyway but thought I would just try and find out the logic behind it.
Title: Re: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: Woodside on December 19, 2016, 06:19:42 PM
Hi julie im pretty certain you need to sorn it...why I don't know? I guess it keeps the robots happy
Title: Re: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: RGP750 on December 19, 2016, 06:26:32 PM
DVLA and logic don't go together ;D ;D
Title: Re: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: Nurse Julie on December 19, 2016, 06:27:07 PM
Hi julie im pretty certain you need to sorn it...why I don't know? I guess it keeps the robots happy
Ah yes, the robots, that'll be it. I will SORN it anyway as no intention of riding it for the foreseeable. It's just one of those things that I would like to know the reasoning behind.....but, it is DVLA so probably no reasoning at all   ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: mike the bike on December 19, 2016, 06:28:22 PM
You don't need to SORN it as such but when the free tax expires it must either be -

A whopping big fine if you avoid taxing it for free.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: Nurse Julie on December 19, 2016, 06:28:53 PM
DVLA and logic don't go together ;D ;D

I thought you would have said Women and logic don't go together Rich !!
Title: Re: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: Nurse Julie on December 19, 2016, 06:32:48 PM
You don't need to SORN it as such but when the free tax expires it must either be -
  • Retaxed (for free),  meaning it must be insured and MOT'd or
    SORNed

A whopping big fine if you avoid taxing it for free.

Hope this helps.
Yes Mike, it does. So even though the tax is FOC, in effect it is still classed as taxed. So it is the same as any vehicle then, either taxed or SORN. Makes sense I suppose.

Ta x
Title: Re: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: mike the bike on December 19, 2016, 06:38:18 PM
Quote
Ta x

The irony!!!
Title: Re: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: royhall on December 20, 2016, 07:56:58 AM
You still have to tax it in the normal way it's just free. So if you don't have mot and insurance you can't tax it. So under those circumstances it must be sorned. If it is insured and mot you may as well renew the tax. Daft system.

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Title: Re: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: MCTID on December 20, 2016, 10:50:55 AM
It's not just the DVLA which we struggle to understand - as they really do seem to defy common sense (or wimmens logic) - it's ALL Government Departments !

I expect that everyone on this Forum could have their own RANT about one Government Department or another, but the worrying common denominator is that the RANT would consistently (if not almost exclusively) be directed at one Government Department or another, which simply shows that they are NOT doing the job we are paying them to do.

Recently I have taken to using this Website  -  https://www.writetothem.com  - to 'air' my particular views to Local Councillors, County Councillors, MEP's and my MP.

The beauty of it is that once you have scribbled your 'comments' you can then send it on to whichever 'target' you want to aim it at.......you just have to remember to cut and paste it and maybe make a few minor changes so it remains focussed on your new 'target'.

TBH, since I started using this method, I have had a spectacularly good success rate of responses from most of those who I have written to, with some really useful dialogue along the way,  which has made my original effort well worthwhile. 

The other good thing is that the Website monitors if and how the Respondant replies, and statistically reports on their 'success rate' - which can be crucial come Re-election day.....and they know it !

If more people bent the ears of their Elected Representatives using this Website, they might get the message a bit louder and clearer.......after all, the dismal number of only about 40% turning out to vote probably makes Councillors and MP's think that the UK public really don't give a monkeys......but this can show them that we actually do.

 
Title: Re: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: Chris400F on December 20, 2016, 11:51:36 AM
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the issue with this SORN business.
Any motor vehicle registered with DVLA must be either taxed (if it is used on the road) or SORNed (if it is not).
The phrase that historic vehicles are 'exempt' from road tax is a misnomer; they are not exempt, just taxed at zero rate.
So the choice doesn't seem that difficult really - if you have insurance and MOT for a vehicle classed as historic then you may as well tax it as it will cost nothing, then you could at least legally ride it on the road if you want to. If you have a vehicle not classed as historic you wouldn't question the SORN issue; there is no difference really apart from cost of road tax.
SORNing it would do the job as well; it still only lasts a year before it has to be renewed but it also costs nothing.
So take your pick. I see it as just one of the 'overheads' of owning a motor vehicle.
Title: Re: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: hairygit on December 20, 2016, 12:26:15 PM
Not quite correct there, from April 2014 if you sorn a vehicle it now lasts until you tax the vehicle again. I found this out when I phoned them to query why I hadn't had a tax or sorn reminder after 13 months. Apparently it saves them a lot of time and money not having to send out reminders!
Title: Re: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: Nurse Julie on December 20, 2016, 12:57:52 PM
I really don't mind either way. If I was going to ride it, obviously I would tax it but, I have no intention of riding it at present, therefore I will SORN it. I asked the question because it is the first historic class bike I have personally owned and wanted to know and understand the logic behind it. And yes SORN is now continuous until taxed.
Title: Re: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: Chris400F on December 20, 2016, 01:23:50 PM
Well, I've learned something there - I didn't realise the SORN rules had changed, makes more sense now.
As it is I have one bike that is taxed and one that has been off the road and untaxed for so long that it doesn't need SORN.
Hopefully one day that will change (if I get my finger out and get on with sorting it) ....
Title: Re: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: Nurse Julie on December 20, 2016, 01:42:13 PM
Every vehicle needs to be taxed or SORN. I think you should still SORN it Chris, even though it's been off the road for yonks, otherwise it may disappear from the DVLA database and that could cause untold problems. The fact that you can do it online and takes just a few seconds, it's no agro really.
Title: Re: SORN ON A HISTORIC VEHICLE
Post by: Chris400F on December 20, 2016, 02:55:55 PM
I might give it a try Julie, but I seem to remember that when I tried this once before with a bike like this the system wouldn't let me do it and told me the bike didn't need SORN.
I have had the bike since 2012 and have the V5 in my name so hopefully should be OK for a while.
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