Honda-SOHC

SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB500/550 => Topic started by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on November 18, 2022, 12:06:16 PM

Title: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on November 18, 2022, 12:06:16 PM
Nice stainless steel brake part arrived yesterday  - yes the split pin hole is in the same place - nice bit of machining by amx1992.

Its even shinier in the flesh!

.(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52507628011_f1422ce0e7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nZVjte)500 brake hub stop (https://flic.kr/p/2nZVjte) by Macabe Thiele (https://www.flickr.com/photos/187487200@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 18, 2022, 12:33:09 PM
That looks ace Ted, Max can you sort me one out mine resembles the inside of a crunchy bar!

I'll drop you a Pm mate.....
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Oddjob on November 18, 2022, 01:06:43 PM
He also does the front torque arm bolt. Got both of mine yesterday.

Just thought of another part that would be great in stainless, the drive chain adjuster stoppers that go inside the swinging arm, mine are rusty as hell.

I've asked him for the lower engine bolt as well, already got one on mine and it looks great so maybe others could benefit as well.
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 18, 2022, 02:05:18 PM
Think mine are all good and I had a pal turn me some adjuster screws last year in SS,  late on when I popped to his whilst ‘Oop Norf’.

I’ve pm’d Max re getting one.
All my engine bolts are stainless anyway Ken so all good for that thankfully


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Oddjob on November 18, 2022, 02:11:37 PM
550F doesn't have the chain adjuster blocks Roo, only the 500 and 550K3 has them due to the 4 pipes and the need for the back wheel to come out backwards.

Don't forget the front bolt as well Roo. And the bottom engine bolt once I give him the specs.

I'm suggesting more stuff for Max to consider making, stuff I have found to be either hard to source now, like the rear torque arm bolt above, or is subject to rust due to location and the lack of attention it gets.

Max makes some really nice parts, lovely finish on them. Saves me polishing them further  ;D ;D

Ohhhh, just thought of another for Max, those special 7mm pinch bolts and shouldered nuts on the top yoke of the 550. The OE ones are chrome, which is nice but then the edges get a little nick and they rust on the very edges of the nut. The centre bolt being 8mm is easy to source in stainless.
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 18, 2022, 02:31:25 PM
Number 12 Ken, that’s what I’ve had done by a pal. I call stuff by different names as learnt as a kid , m(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221118/35226c2fb4b66ca112cca41f9312be60.jpg)
y descriptions are crap, sorry

I would call these chain adjuster bolts!

Which is what I have……….new, ………….made by a pal…………for my 550f2

Everything on my list pm’d to Max this morning. That key, send me the link and I’ll sort it


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Oddjob on November 18, 2022, 02:36:32 PM
Oh those, different bolt I think on the 500, mine have been replaced by some gold Titanium ones with gold Titanium shouldered lock nuts. The 500 ones are 8mm I seem to recall the 550F uses 6mm bolts, could be wrong, many years since I stripped a 550F.

Did you get No.2 Roo, it's a different length to the 500 so make sure it's the same if you have. Sure Max knows what he's doing but TBH he'd only make what he's been asked for and I gave him the dimensions of that spacer for the 500 not the 550. So unless someone told him they were different he may think they are the same, same for the sprocket seal one on the other side, different between the 500 and 550.
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 18, 2022, 04:14:21 PM
That’s mine, kershagged(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221118/36b15023c4633f72fbd0821fea70d15b.jpg)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Matt_Harrington on November 18, 2022, 04:22:57 PM
Lots of patina, Roo!  :o
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 18, 2022, 04:28:33 PM
Like the rest of the bugger!

Happily playing in the shed this arvo getting high on the hydrogen(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221118/da580e9185c11d1892867303e8976ebf.jpg)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Oddjob on November 18, 2022, 05:19:17 PM
Mine was similar Roo, parts of the thread missing, which is why I wanted to change it. Asked Max and he kindly decided to make the front and the back bolts. Good man.
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Matt_Harrington on November 18, 2022, 05:35:11 PM
Roo, I actually enjoy plating - the end result is worth all of the faffing about!
Matt
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Johnny4428 on November 18, 2022, 05:36:33 PM
Nice one Roo! Same set up as me with the pipe with the flattened ends, works a treat 😜
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 18, 2022, 05:37:01 PM
I’ve ordered them with him via pm, waiting for a reply but he’s working no doubt.

Platings coming on though which is a pleasant change (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221118/6c015b1b854f460e5b50db9b7b6b0c2a.jpg)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: K2-K6 on November 18, 2022, 05:55:43 PM
I can't see the plating very easily Roo, but a fine roster of garage shelf residency there for background  ;D

Mrs K worked with a photographer that had alot of commissioned work on properties for their publicity shots etc, but would always sneak into any available workshops to get a behind the scenes image of the inner workings whether asked or not (usually not required) specialised in panoramic images, he'd capture these full on professional records of workshop contents in all their glory, the places where serious goings on were happening.
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Oddjob on November 18, 2022, 06:10:33 PM
Not even mixed my chemicals for plating. Is that zinc/nickel or just zinc Roo?

I'm going with zinc/nickel as it's supposed to be brighter and harder.

Thinking about black passivating that particular piece myself, I tend to have the foot peg powder coated black instead of going with the standard zinc plated look, just my personal preference.

When I finally get round to making my new workbench I'll unpack all my plating stuff. I'll be really honest here and say for some reason I'm scared of starting it, I have this feeling it's not going to turn out well, no idea why, something to do with square inches etc and working out how long to give it in the tank. Some of my pieces are going to be big, like 30 square inches of surface area big, it's just got me doubting myself and that keeps me from starting it. I'll probably end up being a wizard at it, which would be ironic, maths is a real strong point for me so that should help.
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 18, 2022, 06:30:24 PM
Yeah, full here, now I’ve got planning permission from the LHG I’m looking forward to getting the new shed up on the end of this one
Another 6x3m on the end of this one….

Platings coming on a treat soz bout piccie, my alarm went off(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221118/82ef82f071ec9ca46523d5430b3e2ad4.jpg)
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Toko_Jo on November 18, 2022, 08:55:28 PM
Some of my pieces are going to be big, like 30 square inches of surface area big, it's just got me doubting myself and that keeps me from starting it. I'll probably end up being a wizard at it, which would be ironic, maths is a real strong point for me so that should help.

For 30 sq" ...I would start with 3 Amp (constant current supply if available), immersion for 45 mins with agitation.
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Oddjob on November 18, 2022, 09:02:22 PM
I have the power supply that gateros sells Jo, I hope that's good enough. If not I'll have to buy a more powerful one, I'll ask Ash for advise as he's the resident Guru on plating on the forum.
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 18, 2022, 11:04:03 PM
Itys just bright zinc with a blue passivaye at the end. This is probably the most consistant batch Ive done to date I reckon.Its all come out really good.

I was going to say, ask Ash, he's yer man for this alchemy. ;D I'mjust a noddy,fiddling in the shed doing bolts and the like,biggest thing I've done is a spindle for ther LHG's400.Ifinda constant 1.1-1.2V's running for 30mins min at30C andit works a treat.

Bit Heath Robison but never the less I'm getting a good finish that appears to last, if looking at the 400 is any evidence? I appreciate that its not got wet yet but so far so good 12 months on..
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Johnny4428 on November 19, 2022, 09:43:01 AM
Looking good Roo! Very satisfying results, what a pain in the rear to clean all those fiddly parts, especially the projectiles that fly from the wire wheel! 😂😂
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Seabeowner on November 19, 2022, 07:43:30 PM
Oh those, different bolt I think on the 500, mine have been replaced by some gold Titanium ones with gold Titanium shouldered lock nuts. The 500 ones are 8mm I seem to recall the 550F uses 6mm bolts, could be wrong, many years since I stripped a 550F.
Pretty sure one of them uses a 7mm thread! Pretty difficult to get I imagine.
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Trigger on November 20, 2022, 09:12:06 AM
Nice stainless steel brake part arrived yesterday  - yes the split pin hole is in the same place - nice bit of machining by amx1992.

Its even shinier in the flesh!

.(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52507628011_f1422ce0e7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nZVjte)500 brake hub stop (https://flic.kr/p/2nZVjte) by Macabe Thiele (https://www.flickr.com/photos/187487200@N03/), on Flickr


That bolt in stainless is not strong enough to do the job. The torque bar / torsion bar is a moving part and requires a 8.8 strength bolt.  ;)


Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: amx1992 on November 20, 2022, 09:43:47 AM
The bolts are made from 431 high tensile stainless, tensile strength 850 - 1000mpa. 8.8 bolts have a tensile strength of 800+, so how is the one ive made not enough to do the job?

I wouldnt mind, but you havent asked what grade stainless or anything, youve just assumed and come in criticizing my work.
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Trigger on November 20, 2022, 10:20:21 AM
The bolts are made from 431 high tensile stainless, tensile strength 850 - 1000mpa. 8.8 bolts have a tensile strength of 800+, so how is the one ive made not enough to do the job?

I wouldnt mind, but you havent asked what grade stainless or anything, youve just assumed and come in criticizing my work.

I must apologize, and it is refreshing that someone knows what grades of stainless to be used.  well done that man.   

I am always suspicious on the used of stainless a, there are so many people selling stainless steel product's on ebay  and other websites that are very low quality grades and some that even rust.
 
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Oddjob on November 20, 2022, 02:08:06 PM
All grades of stainless steel will rust, there is some iron left in all of them and it's that that starts to rust.

Post by Krupps.

Some types of stainless steel are more prone to corrosion than others, depending on the chromium content. The higher the chromium content, the less likely the metal will rust. But, over time and if not maintained correctly, rust can and will develop on stainless steel.
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Matt_Harrington on November 20, 2022, 03:55:19 PM
I have the power supply that gateros sells Jo, I hope that's good enough. If not I'll have to buy a more powerful one, I'll ask Ash for advise as he's the resident Guru on plating on the forum.
The Gateros one looks the same as mine and will go to 30A. It will work with constant current which is ideal.
Matt
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Oddjob on November 20, 2022, 05:54:52 PM
Mine doesn't seem to settle on any figure, goes all over the place. Used it when trying to de-chrome some parts. Not tried do the opposite way as yet.
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Matt_Harrington on November 20, 2022, 06:03:58 PM
Mine doesn't seem to settle on any figure, goes all over the place. Used it when trying to de-chrome some parts. Not tried do the opposite way as yet.
I'm not saying this is your issue but the only time I get that is when there is a poor electrical connection on the parts....
Matt
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 20, 2022, 06:29:53 PM
It will change if the electrolite is being moved by aggitation or if any parts move as you effect the ions being exposed to the part, same as if you remove a part for a look and put it straight back in, the voltage will change.  If I turn up the bubbler in mine I get different readings always. I generalluy plate arount 1.1 to 1.4V all the way and adjust to suit when required, usually when changing batches and the amount of parts change......
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Matt_Harrington on November 21, 2022, 11:15:56 AM
Interesting Roo, I tend to plate at a constant current rather than a constant voltage.....
Matt
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on November 21, 2022, 04:29:26 PM
If the resistance in the solution remains pretty constant then as V=IR then either constant voltage or current has the same outcome?
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Matt_Harrington on November 21, 2022, 04:53:05 PM
Reading a little more, constant voltage is better once you have sorted out decent plating. Once you get a nice shiny item using constant current then the voltage reading is the voltage to go for. Setting the voltage, the current will set itself accordingly. I may go this way in the future. (This is the way production firms do it as the amount being plated can vary )
Matt
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 21, 2022, 06:27:33 PM
ssems to work  treat for me Matt andmeans I dont have to faff aboput doing millionsof surface area calcs and the like. If I put more than I need to on the wires and the voltage drops as a result, I just tweak it up to around 1.1-1.2V and its been brilliant and this is my 5th batch through now, including the 400 bits last year.
Title: Re: Nice SS rear brake stop made by Max!
Post by: Sesman on November 21, 2022, 07:14:25 PM
Er I think Norton and Thevenin superposition theory is relevant here. Constant current sources have little respect for voltage…..V=IR is also limited in its application where high reactance values are present. I could go on and often do, but not this time. Constant current is the key. I’ll repeat what my College Professor of physics used to say….”forget the theory, use what works”.