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Title: Item 8 in this picture - tongued washer?
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 02, 2023, 06:38:16 PM
As it was missing on my 500 I am fitting the chain guard that bolts inside the left side chain case cover.

Two M6 bolts hold the protector in place, one has a spring washer, the other has a tongued washer part number 90532-323-000. that is  shown as no longer available.

Is it okay to use a spring washer instead or is the tongued washer an essential locking tab?

Do I need to fabricate a lock washer for this location?

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Title: Re: Item 8 in this picture - tongued washer?
Post by: K2-K6 on August 02, 2023, 07:53:38 PM

"Is it okay to use a spring washer instead or is the tongued washer an essential locking tab?"

It looks like the spring washer is on a bolt isolated from the chain run, with the tabbed bolt having extra security being in vicinity of the chain and sprocket rotation  ?

I can't tell fully from the diag, but that would make sense for the type of fixing security they provide.
Title: Re: Item 8 in this picture - tongued washer?
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 02, 2023, 08:23:21 PM

"Is it okay to use a spring washer instead or is the tongued washer an essential locking tab?"

It looks like the spring washer is on a bolt isolated from the chain run, with the tabbed bolt having extra security being in vicinity of the chain and sprocket rotation  ?

I can't tell fully from the diag, but that would make sense for the type of fixing security they provide.

Yes I can see that now you mention it - not sure where the tab locks into as it's not clear from the parts book - possibly it latches into the large round hole.

I will play safe & make a locking tab as I do not want to risk a bolt coming loose & striking the chain.
Title: Re: Item 8 in this picture - tongued washer?
Post by: K2-K6 on August 02, 2023, 10:41:47 PM
Yes, I'd view as you do Ted, in that the lock tab appears to anchor in that nearby hole to secure.

Some of the others with more experience than I of 500 could likely shed some more focused light on it for you .
Title: Re: Item 8 in this picture - tongued washer?
Post by: Oddjob on August 02, 2023, 11:36:25 PM
I'd say you hit the nail on the head Nigel.
Title: Re: Item 8 in this picture - tongued washer?
Post by: Trigger on August 03, 2023, 07:42:50 AM

"Is it okay to use a spring washer instead or is the tongued washer an essential locking tab?"

It looks like the spring washer is on a bolt isolated from the chain run, with the tabbed bolt having extra security being in vicinity of the chain and sprocket rotation  ?

I can't tell fully from the diag, but that would make sense for the type of fixing security they provide.

Yes I can see that now you mention it - not sure where the tab locks into as it's not clear from the parts book - possibly it latches into the large round hole.

I will play safe & make a locking tab as I do not want to risk a bolt coming loose & striking the chain.

If you do not want it to come loose, just put thread lock on the bolt  ;)
Title: Re: Item 8 in this picture - tongued washer?
Post by: K2-K6 on August 03, 2023, 08:30:44 AM
I'd say you hit the nail on the head Nigel.

Cheers Ken, 500 experts have better knowledge about these detail :)
Title: Re: Item 8 in this picture - tongued washer?
Post by: Oddjob on August 03, 2023, 09:01:47 AM
Not so sure it’s knowledge Nigel, more common sense in a lot of cases and an understanding of how the Honda engineers seemed to think.
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