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Title: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: DomP on May 12, 2024, 03:27:15 PM: Do any of you electrical guys know a good solution for my cafe racer build? I'm looking to either relocate the ignition or change it to keyless to make room for my centrally mounted gauge, any thoughts appreciated!
Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: Nurse Julie on May 12, 2024, 03:32:50 PM: I've got keyless fitted to Millie, my 550 Mongrel. Graham made up the wiring and fitted a hidden master isolater switch and one of the handlebar switch gear slide switches as another isolater and the original start button starts the bike.
Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: DomP on May 12, 2024, 03:58:35 PM: That sounds the answer Julie, do you have any idea how he did it?
Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: Nurse Julie on May 12, 2024, 04:14:42 PM: Quote from: DomP on May 12, 2024, 03:58:35 PM
That sounds the answer Julie, do you have any idea how he did it?
I know the very basics of how he did it but I'll ask Graham for more info later. Also, PM me over your email address and I'll send you some photos.
Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: DomP on May 12, 2024, 09:50:35 PM: Pm sent Julie
Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: Nurse Julie on May 13, 2024, 10:05:16 AM: Quote from: DomP on May 12, 2024, 09:50:35 PM
Pm sent Julie
Thanks Dom. I'll get back to you later, it's bike riding weather again today 😁😁😁
Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: DomP on May 13, 2024, 05:34:04 PM: Chatting with Roo earlier when he suggested I used the old K style frame mounted ignition, I could make up a bracket if I can't find an original but there is a wiring difference - 5 wires on my F as opposed to 4 on a K switch. Is there a wiring solution?
Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 13, 2024, 10:24:15 PM: Quote from: DomP on May 13, 2024, 05:34:04 PM
Chatting with Roo earlier when he suggested I used the old K style frame mounted ignition, I could make up a bracket if I can't find an original but there is a wiring difference - 5 wires on my F as opposed to 4 on a K switch. Is there a wiring solution?
Different barrel

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Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: DomP on May 14, 2024, 08:16:26 AM: Looking at the wiring diagrams I seems the 4 wire switch has two browns linked into one, I wonder if its as simple as doing that?
Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 14, 2024, 08:52:26 AM: Iâ€™ve the Motogadget Dom as you know but thatâ€™s what straight onto mine.

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Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: DomP on May 14, 2024, 11:16:07 AM: Yeah Motogadget was just a step toofar financially for me, I keep thinking 'cheap build remember, cheap build' 🤣

I'm sure an electrical genius will answer my query
Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 14, 2024, 01:25:33 PM: More than likely, cue Bryan, Ash, Ken; Oo, sorry

Isnâ€™t there a link on the classic octane site for a slot into the loom 4 way key barrel, Iâ€™m sure there is but you may need to list the videos and go to the links on each one to see but Iâ€™m sure thereâ€™s a link, maybe a hamazon link.

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Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: Bryanj on May 14, 2024, 02:02:42 PM: What actual model is it and where is the ignition switch now?
Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: DomP on May 14, 2024, 03:37:38 PM: Quote from: Bryanj on May 14, 2024, 02:02:42 PM
What actual model is it and where is the ignition switch now?

Hi Bryan, it's my cb550f1 with the hugely long centrally mounted ignition barrel which I'd like to move somewhere more discrete
Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: Bryanj on May 14, 2024, 03:58:52 PM: If the only difference is the extra brown wire then you should be able to use the earlier 4 wire switch but good luck finding an original Honda bracket and then you would need to weld a bracket for it to bolt to onto the frame.
The us boys used to move the early switch to between the clocks with a bracket that i may have one of somewhere but finding it is a problem.
I am just back from my sisters funeral, give me some time and i will check out the wiring diagrams for you
Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: DomP on May 14, 2024, 04:42:46 PM: Sorry to hear about your sister Bryan.

I may make up a bracket and utilise the horn fixing points
Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 14, 2024, 04:52:54 PM: Sorry to hear that Bryan, best wishes mate.

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Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 14, 2024, 04:54:22 PM: I know where there might be some brackets but theyâ€™re in the US.

Do you want me to ask my pal over there Dom? Itâ€™s a bit of a long shot but I know theyâ€™re thereâ€¦â€¦

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Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: DomP on May 14, 2024, 05:27:16 PM: Quote from: Laverdaroo on May 14, 2024, 04:54:22 PM
I know where there might be some brackets but theyâ€™re in the US.

Do you want me to ask my pal over there Dom? Itâ€™s a bit of a long shot but I know theyâ€™re thereâ€¦â€¦

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Don't worry Roo, I'll cobble something up on the cheap if I can, failing that I'll take you up on your kind offer mate
Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 14, 2024, 05:30:04 PM: No worries bud, just shout Dom

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Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: DomP on May 14, 2024, 08:24:17 PM: This is the 550F wiring diagram, the two browns connect pretty much immediately in the loom anyway so surely eliminating one or rejoining them will make no difference on a 4 wire switch? Isn't it just the park position
Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: Bryanj on May 14, 2024, 08:42:28 PM: Got it, the only reason for the extra brown is the fact the steering lock is on the ignition switch so you need to feed the sidelights from there, just joining both to the one brown on the 4 wire will be fine as it does not have a steering lock built in.
I would suggest a padded P clamp on the frame tube holding the bracket the switch fits in.
Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: DomP on May 14, 2024, 08:45:26 PM: Perfect Bryan, could I just eliminate the spliced in brown then?
Title: Re: Relocating or alternative to ignition switch
Post by: Bryanj on May 14, 2024, 08:47:47 PM: Yuo