Post by: beardylondon on May 31, 2024, 07:16:17 PM
I was warned when I bought it that the paint on the tank may be iffy, but I didn't expect fuel to damage it this badly.
(https://i.ibb.co/WsfRJ1s/Screenshot-2024-05-31-at-19-03-01.png) (https://ibb.co/WsfRJ1s)
Anyway, lesson learnt, excuse to repaint it properly.
The bike is a 1976 CB550 US import, so it should have originally been Candy Garnet Brown I believe, but someone painted it black like a CB500.
So I'm thinking of perhaps going for Flake Sunrise Orange, which I realise is an earlier colour, but I think it is nice and bright.
I just wondered if anyone has had a tank painted recently and had any advice, especially getting the striping correct etc.
cheers!
Post by: Bryanj on May 31, 2024, 07:43:26 PM
Post by: beardylondon on May 31, 2024, 07:51:13 PM
However, if too expensive, I may get the correct paint and do it myself, back to black.
And if so, what paint should I be using?
Just found this thread, with some good tips:
https://www.hondatwins.net/threads/arghh-my-tank-paint-dissolved.99961/
Post by: Skoti on May 31, 2024, 09:01:28 PM
Anyhow after a further repaint I finished it off with Pro XL 2K clear lacquer aerosol and it's been fine ever since.
You may need to take a seat after pricing a professional paint job in flake finish, please report back!
Good luck
Post by: AshimotoK0 on May 31, 2024, 09:29:34 PM
https://www.graff-city.com/spray-paint-c128/spraymax-2k-clear-coat-gloss-400ml-p4243 (out of stock at the moment though :( )
Post by: Mike_Berkshire on May 31, 2024, 10:29:40 PM
I foolishly painted a Honda step thru tank with normal paint and then a few weeks later spilt petrol on it that immediately softened the new paint.When you say normal paint do you mean normal automotive paint Skoti? Once I have the dents pulled out on my tank I’m planning to paint it myself. I have used automotive rattle cans before without having a problem but that was a long time ago. maybe the formulation in auto paint today is less resistant to fuel and I will need a different approach?
Post by: Skoti on June 01, 2024, 09:07:58 AM
I foolishly painted a Honda step thru tank with normal paint and then a few weeks later spilt petrol on it that immediately softened the new paint.When you say normal paint do you mean normal automotive paint Skoti? Once I have the dents pulled out on my tank I’m planning to paint it myself. I have used automotive rattle cans before without having a problem but that was a long time ago. maybe the formulation in auto paint today is less resistant to fuel and I will need a different approach?
Aye,
I used Motip automotive paint in aerosol cans.
Always had a good results with this stuff.
https://www.motip.com/en-en/automotive-products/car-repair-paints#block-0-6 (https://www.motip.com/en-en/automotive-products/car-repair-paints#block-0-6)
I used the primer, then colour coat and finished with clear lacquer.
TBH. I think the clear lacquer was the problem, I soon as I split petrol on it I reached for a paper towel to wipe it but it had immediately softened and turned into a gooey mess.
Paint experts on here will probably agree that quality petrol resistant 2K lacquer is the way to go.
Good luck
P.S.
don't leave too much overspray around the filler neck or fuel tap area or the new paint will eventually lift.
Post by: Seabeowner on June 01, 2024, 07:22:48 PM
https://perfectpearlsandpigments.co.uk/products/candy-copper-brown/
I have the Spraymax lacquer, hope it protects the paint, but it needs extra precautions when using. Hopefully results in a few weeks if the weather warms up.
Should have a set of the stripes decals left over as there was a c--k up. Said to Piki will donate any money for them to the forum.
Post by: DomP on June 02, 2024, 08:29:34 AM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on June 02, 2024, 02:15:54 PM
I'm considering doing my own paint job too, will spraymax 2k go over any aerosol base? What kind of mask is needed to be safe?Really you need an air fed mask to be safe. My mate sprays with loads of ventilation and a Gerson disposable carbon filter mask .. personally I only use an air fed one.
I would only use decent aerosol base coat from an auto paint supplier. They are not mega expensive and you are guaranteed to end up without a paint reaction. RS bikepaint call it COB (clear over base) but their aerosols are an absolute rip off compared with ones from a paint factors
Post by: DomP on June 02, 2024, 02:53:57 PM
Post by: Honda enthusiast on June 02, 2024, 10:06:44 PM
I have sprayed hmg nisocoat clear on the RGS which is a fully hardening non isocyanate 2k clear...it's difficult to spray at home as it's so thick[attachimg=1]
Post by: Laverdaroo on June 03, 2024, 10:31:44 AM
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Post by: beardylondon on June 03, 2024, 04:33:34 PM
We are getting quotes locally, and two questions:
What is the paint code for the black, seemingly from CB500, which my bike most likely is?
Also how do you remove the tank badges?
Post by: Bryanj on June 03, 2024, 08:16:33 PM
Remove by sliding a thin flexible knife between badge and tank and levering carefully(both ends!).
As to colour Honds did not use standard paint codes at that time so whatever it is wont help
Post by: Nurse Julie on June 03, 2024, 09:00:44 PM
Post by: Robert W on June 06, 2024, 06:29:10 PM
There are enamel paints which are oil based and can take up to a day or 2 to dry enough for a second coat or second color. They are more gasoline resistant but color choices are limited. These paints do not wrinkle because they don't have the same solvents in them.
The best paints would be automotive paint and a HVLP paint sprayer setup. Unfortunately, most people don't have this. I used to paint with lacquers and then finalize my paint with several coats of clear lacquer to resist gasoline spills. It worked to a certain degree if you wiped it off immediately. But now that I've gotten used to spraying automotive paints, urethane based, it's really the best and most durable way.
What you could do is paint either lacquer or enamel with spray cans, and organize with an automotive paint shop to finalize your paint job with a urethane clear coat. It won't react with either. You may have to lightly wet sand your paint job with 600 grit just to give something for the urethane clear coat to adhere to.
I am not a paint guru but I have lacquer painted a lot of motorcycles in the past like 40 years ago and just restarted painting motorcycles after teaching myself how to paint cars.
Post by: AshimotoK0 on June 07, 2024, 10:50:12 AM
entertain it, even though I said there would be no recriminations if it turned out crap due to the DIY paint. The final straw was when I took it to a back street guy who rents space from my friend for his own spray business. He just said "dont do bikes mate ". However, he recommended I have a go myself, which I did.....OK I had to invest in decent gear which second hand cost me around £300 but if you choose wisely (Devibiss, Sata, Iwata etc). and look after it you will always get a reasonable resale price when you have finished with it. When I went to quite a few of the back street spray guys around here around here there was no sign of an air fed mask even though they were spraying 2k. They were simply using Gersen type carbon filter masks. I saw those masks advertised on eBay being sold as suitable for painting 2k paint. However, when I challenged the seller if they were suitable for use with 2K isocyanate paint, he backed down saying that people use them when painting 2K outside.
Post by: Bryanj on June 07, 2024, 02:49:41 PM
Post by: Seabeowner on June 07, 2024, 06:46:35 PM
I intend to finish with the Spraymax lacquer and use a oil free compressor to feed me air in mask. May do outdoors or in shed with fan blowing air out. Do I need full body protection?
Post by: DomP on June 07, 2024, 07:43:03 PM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on June 07, 2024, 09:46:01 PM
Makes me think paying to get it done is a. Safer, b. Cheaper considering purchasing all the kit and c. Likely a better job
I only did it myself as I had lots of painting to do..... also, some bikes just don't justify a pro paint job financially ... the CB250RSA being a prime example.
Post by: Matt_Harrington on June 08, 2024, 09:37:07 AM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on June 08, 2024, 10:36:50 AM
Whilst we talk about DIY painting - anyone used a LVLP spray gun as opposed to the HVLP ones. I've have always used the latter but gleaned the former maybe better for smaller items.Not sure Matt ...mine are Devilbiss SRI Prolite mini guns with TE5 caps. Luckily the needle is the same for both the 1.2 & 1.4 fluid tips I have.
Post by: Matt_Harrington on June 08, 2024, 10:39:23 AM
Post by: beardylondon on June 17, 2024, 01:49:21 PM
Has anyone bought from this company?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254931883243
Am checking with Piki too, see if he does this one.
Post by: Nurse Julie on June 17, 2024, 01:53:26 PM
Edit..... Diego is going to contact you.
Post by: beardylondon on June 17, 2024, 02:02:34 PM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on June 17, 2024, 02:20:19 PM
Thanks Julie!
+1 on Piki's decals ... they are spot on!
Post by: Laverda Dave on June 18, 2024, 08:08:45 AM
Post by: beardylondon on June 18, 2024, 10:30:40 AM
Because my bike currently has the wrong graphics, I have no frame of reference where I have to apply the new new graphics.
Does any one have, or could take, measurements so I can get the placement correct on the tank?
Cheers!
Post by: beardylondon on June 22, 2024, 07:19:39 PM
Post by: Mike_Berkshire on June 22, 2024, 10:25:55 PM
Post by: beardylondon on June 23, 2024, 07:19:30 PM
Post by: Mike_Berkshire on June 24, 2024, 08:02:08 AM
Post by: beardylondon on June 24, 2024, 10:15:08 AM
It looks like the graphic should find its centre on the tank, however if you wouldn't mind measuring as per attached points, it will help guide me!
Post by: Gromitdog on June 24, 2024, 10:41:52 AM
I am away till Saturday i have the Honda paint codes i can send you if that helps you ?
Gromitdog
Post by: beardylondon on June 24, 2024, 10:49:27 AM
Post by: Mike_Berkshire on June 24, 2024, 01:52:29 PM
Hi Mike, thank you, very helpful, as I have not found a up close before.
It looks like the graphic should find its centre on the tank, however if you wouldn't mind measuring as per attached points, it will help guide me!
No problem, measurements below note that I used a steel rule and followed the contour of the tank. Measurements for E & F are from the top edge of the trim strip to the bottom of the white line not the black line that is below the white line as it was easier to see the edge with the rule:
A - 48mm
B - 84mm
C - 26mm
D - 23mm
E - 49mm
F - 45 mm
If you think any of these look off then let me know and I will measure again.
Post by: beardylondon on June 24, 2024, 02:45:08 PM
Post by: beardylondon on June 25, 2024, 08:08:30 PM
Post by: Bryanj on June 25, 2024, 08:53:56 PM
Post by: beardylondon on June 25, 2024, 10:43:51 PM
Anyone else got a sensible suggestion, who has used that colour?
Post by: Nurse Julie on June 25, 2024, 10:54:00 PM
Ok, I’ll pick a random colour and hope for the best then?RS Paints stock it.
Anyone else got a sensible suggestion, who has used that colour?
Post by: AshimotoK0 on June 26, 2024, 08:33:28 AM
Ok, I’ll pick a random colour and hope for the best then?RS Paints stock it.
Anyone else got a sensible suggestion, who has used that colour?
Shame nobody else does it as RS paints are Fookin expensive. I am biased though as they lost my mega rare NOS part I loaned them for a colour match and they didn't even apologise...told me it was my fault 'cos I left the part with them for more than a few weeks. Also, If you ever get aerosols from them make sure they don't supply water based paint as I had about three cans at mega money that spluttered droplets right at the last coat and ruined the finish. They told me to heat the can , sent replacement nozzles etc. But they were still sh*te. Once I switched to their C.O.B. (clear-over-base) solvent based aerosols the finish was OK but the spray pattern/delivery wasn't as good a aerosols I got from Paints4U in Grimsby that cost less than half the price of RS .... plus Paints4U did free shipping for orders over 60 quid, which RS don't do.
Post by: beardylondon on June 26, 2024, 08:39:39 AM
From looking at CB550 1975 colours on RS paint website, Candy Sapphire Blue came up, maybe it's a mistake, as I can't find any online apart from the attached CB500 and a 550 which is watermarked
This says not:
http://www.sohc4.com/bikes/cb550/
But does anyone know, did Honda make CB550 in this blue, with the 1975 tank graphics?
Post by: Bryanj on June 26, 2024, 09:33:02 AM
To frther explain he paint code question, which is asked probably once a month, Honda never used industry standard paint codes for their colours plus most of the metallics are 3 stage "candy" colours which have a metallic base, transparent colour(which changes depending on depth of coats) and topped with a laquer. All of these were and are isocyanate paints requiring a lot of special gear to spray safely.
Appologies if my previous answer was terse but i do get fed up of answering the same question time and agaiin when the search function works
Post by: Nurse Julie on June 26, 2024, 09:58:37 AM
Thanks Julie.[attachimg=1]
From looking at CB550 1975 colours on RS paint website, Candy Sapphire Blue came up, maybe it's a mistake, as I can't find any online apart from the attached CB500 and a 550 which is watermarked
This says not:
http://www.sohc4.com/bikes/cb550/
But does anyone know, did Honda make CB550 in this blue, with the 1975 tank graphics?
Post by: beardylondon on June 26, 2024, 10:21:18 AM
Thanks Julie.(Attachment Link)
From looking at CB550 1975 colours on RS paint website, Candy Sapphire Blue came up, maybe it's a mistake, as I can't find any online apart from the attached CB500 and a 550 which is watermarked
This says not:
http://www.sohc4.com/bikes/cb550/
But does anyone know, did Honda make CB550 in this blue, with the 1975 tank graphics?
Post by: Nurse Julie on June 26, 2024, 10:28:20 AM
I'm assuming it's a USA model and not an European Market import? as their colours / models etc were different again.
Post by: AshimotoK0 on June 26, 2024, 10:30:51 AM
I think so for the USA,
To frther explain he paint code question, which is asked probably once a month, Honda never used industry standard paint codes for their colours plus most of the metallics are 3 stage "candy" colours which have a metallic base, transparent colour(which changes depending on depth of coats) and topped with a laquer. All of these were and are isocyanate paints requiring a lot of special gear to spray safely.
Appologies if my previous answer was terse but i do get fed up of answering the same question time and agaiin when the search function works
Pretty sure it's only the clear coat which contains isocyanates Bryan. The base coat paints I have had from RS COB and water based did not contain iso. They also sell solid colours in cellulose. RS also sell a non-isocyanate clear but I gather it takes ages to harden. Most of their base paints are made by Lechler which is a mid quality brand.
I am just base coating my CB250RSA with Nassau Blue pearl and the paint was just over £60 delivered which thins to 2 litres of paint. All of RS's paint is pre-thinned ...imagine how much they would charge for 2l of paint plus shipping. Amazingly, I used Honda's paint 'code/ref' PB-112M to find it online.
Post by: beardylondon on June 26, 2024, 10:38:15 AM
How much paint would I need to buy for the tank and 2 side panels?
@Julie, yes my bike is USA Model.
Post by: AshimotoK0 on June 26, 2024, 11:11:24 AM
Thanks for the info.
How much paint would I need to buy for the tank and 2 side panels?
@Julie, yes my bike is USA Model.
Menno is really your go-to guy on here for this information. The only advice I can offer is my friend had his CB500K2 tank and side panels done in Candy Green and he bought 0.5l of metallic ground-coat and 0.5l candy coat (this was from RS and was pre-thinned solvent paint). There was still a fair bit left over afterwards. As Bryan correctly says, the clear-coat would almost certainly be isocyanate based and needs proper air fed mask to apply. Most paint shops have gallons of the stuff on the shelf. Mipa CX clear-coat is a decent quality product or Spraymax gloss finish 2k if using aerosols. Both of these are isocyanate cured.
Post by: beardylondon on June 26, 2024, 11:39:01 AM
Just so im clear, I cant see options for metallic ground-coat and candy coat?
I guess I should call them.
Thanks for the info.
How much paint would I need to buy for the tank and 2 side panels?
@Julie, yes my bike is USA Model.
Menno is really your go-to guy on here for this information. The only advice I can offer is my friend had his CB500K2 tank and side panels done in Candy Green and he bought 0.5l of metallic ground-coat and 0.5l candy coat (this was from RS and was pre-thinned solvent paint). There was still a fair bit left over afterwards. As Bryan correctly says, the clear-coat would almost certainly be isocyanate based and needs proper air fed mask to apply. Most paint shops have gallons of the stuff on the shelf. Mipa CX clear-coat is a decent quality product or Spraymax gloss finish 2k if using aerosols. Both of these are isocyanate cured.
Post by: beardylondon on June 26, 2024, 12:05:32 PM
http://www.vsource.org/VFR-RVF_files/BHondaPaintCodes.htm
Candy Sapphire Blue is PB-3C-C. Whether or not a modern paint shop can interrupt them is another matter!
here a photo of an old tin:
https://www.instagram.com/p/teSmJZAViS
I think so for the USA,
To frther explain he paint code question, which is asked probably once a month, Honda never used industry standard paint codes for their colours plus most of the metallics are 3 stage "candy" colours which have a metallic base, transparent colour(which changes depending on depth of coats) and topped with a laquer. All of these were and are isocyanate paints requiring a lot of special gear to spray safely.
Appologies if my previous answer was terse but i do get fed up of answering the same question time and agaiin when the search function works
Post by: AshimotoK0 on June 26, 2024, 12:30:03 PM
Technically I think Bryan is correct .. Honda did supply those touch up cans with bikes but didn't really supply paint for refinishing parts ...they farmed it out to 3rd parties and often their quoted 'codes' are meaningless. I was lucky with my CB250RS .. maybe 'cos it'sa 1980's model and perhaps used on other automotive products.
As I say Menno is the real expert here....I am just a novice trying to paint some of my bikes which will never financially justify the cost of a pro paint job.
Worth comparing these guys with RS on price. https://www.rapidpaints.co.uk/search?q=PB-3C-C
Post by: beardylondon on June 26, 2024, 12:34:49 PM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on June 26, 2024, 01:16:52 PM
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3ulisgrtwkb5gok8eq1rm/Paint-Honda.pdf?rlkey=5ii604sbofl7k8yb1fkd1ul5s&st=uovtdbdz&dl=0
Post by: Laverda Dave on June 26, 2024, 07:10:12 PM
Post by: Bryanj on June 26, 2024, 09:22:11 PM
Post by: beardylondon on June 26, 2024, 10:24:49 PM
I DONT NEED TO, AS I SPOKE TO RS PAINTS TODAY AND ITS ALL SORTED!
;D✔ï¸
Post by: AshimotoK0 on June 27, 2024, 07:45:57 AM
Thanks!
I DONT NEED TO, AS I SPOKE TO RS PAINTS TODAY AND ITS ALL SORTED!
;D✔ï¸
And your wallet will be significantly lighter when you buy it ;)
Problem is people do a good job of scanning Honda colours but don't pass on the formulations. Interesting that after I bought my Honda Nassau Blue pearl paint (to which the paint company had assigned the Honda production 'code' ) a lady called me about a month later to ask how I was getting on with the paint supplied and that if I needed advice on any other Honda bike paint to call her. As I said before I am slightly biased because RS lost my NOS part with no apology for doing so and when the WB paint aerosols spluttered didn't really try to help me other than supply new nozzles ... which made no difference. A decent company would have replaced all cans FOC, not try to switch the blame onto the user. Also I bought aerosols in solid colour Honda Scarlet for about 23 quid a pop (cellulose paint) and when I ordered more they told me a I needed the proper base-coat to go with it. When I asked about the basecoat price it too was £23 a can and was basically just white ground-coat, available for half that price from most pro. auto paint suppliers.
I have NEVER come across a pro painter who, by choice, .. i.e. not dictated to by the customer, uses RS paint. They simply can't justify the cost. However, I know of painters who buy a small quantity from RS, then do a spray-out card and scan the colour or match it by eye and get it mixed themselves. They also mix candy pigment into clear binder rather than buying pre-mixed candy lacquer. https://perfectpearlsandpigments.co.uk/product-category/candy-concentrates-powders/
Post by: Bryanj on June 27, 2024, 12:15:55 PM
Post by: beardylondon on July 08, 2024, 01:47:03 PM
Question now is, do I put the stripes on the tank before or after lacquer coat?
Post by: DomP on July 08, 2024, 08:02:51 PM
Post by: Bryn on July 15, 2024, 02:24:35 PM
Thanks!
I DONT NEED TO, AS I SPOKE TO RS PAINTS TODAY AND ITS ALL SORTED!
;D✔ï¸
And your wallet will be significantly lighter when you buy it ;)
Problem is people do a good job of scanning Honda colours but don't pass on the formulations. Interesting that after I bought my Honda Nassau Blue pearl paint (to which the paint company had assigned the Honda production 'code' ) a lady called me about a month later to ask how I was getting on with the paint supplied and that if I needed advice on any other Honda bike paint to call her. As I said before I am slightly biased because RS lost my NOS part with no apology for doing so and when the WB paint aerosols spluttered didn't really try to help me other than supply new nozzles ... which made no difference. A decent company would have replaced all cans FOC, not try to switch the blame onto the user. Also I bought aerosols in solid colour Honda Scarlet for about 23 quid a pop (cellulose paint) and when I ordered more they told me a I needed the proper base-coat to go with it. When I asked about the basecoat price it too was £23 a can and was basically just white ground-coat, available for half that price from most pro. auto paint suppliers.
I have NEVER come across a pro painter who, by choice, .. i.e. not dictated to by the customer, uses RS paint. They simply can't justify the cost. However, I know of painters who buy a small quantity from RS, then do a spray-out card and scan the colour or match it by eye and get it mixed themselves. They also mix candy pigment into clear binder rather than buying pre-mixed candy lacquer. https://perfectpearlsandpigments.co.uk/product-category/candy-concentrates-powders/
Just had a great paint job done on my 550K3 by a local painter… works from home… Tank completely stripped back to bare metal, dents pulled out, side panels stripped and repaired and then the whole lot painted in Candy Kent Brown…. Just checked the bottle of the spare paint he gave me (Leftover) RS Paints 8) all for £550
Greg. ….He’s on instagram …. brokespeed_Motoworks
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 15, 2024, 03:08:17 PM
Post by: Bryn on July 15, 2024, 03:42:28 PM
Mine was originall registered in Northern Ireland… just had a quick search on the sohc4 US forum and found this …..
‘Candy Kent Brown (code YR-3C) was used on the CB550 K3 overseas, but it’s a rarely seen color on th3 USA market bikes
Candy Garnett Brown (YR-2C) was used on the CB550K2 USA market bikes and it’s close in color to the Candy Kent Brown’
So I’d gather from that the ‘overseas’ is not USA 8)
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 15, 2024, 04:09:53 PM
Post by: Bryn on July 15, 2024, 04:29:22 PM
Post by: beardylondon on November 01, 2024, 08:53:58 PM
A long drawn out process for various reasons, but well worth it!
(https://i.ibb.co/qMmQJ2q/Screenshot-2024-11-01-at-20-59-11.png) (https://ibb.co/wNpmc2G)