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SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB350/400 => Topic started by: Athame57 on August 09, 2024, 05:37:42 PM
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While my bike was in the garage this morning the mechanic pointed something out to me I hadn't been aware of. The handle bars could reach the tank and it explains a tiny chip in the paint. The lock stops were present on the yoke but there was nothing to meet them on the frame, could I have broken something off down the line somewhere, issue is on both sides.
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The lock stops are part of the casting on the lower steering yoke, these touch what I would describe as a tongue shape on the front of the frame where the steering tube fits.
Usually a bent lock stop is the cause of contact with the tank.
Photo is my 400 on full left lock you can see the tongue that is part of the frame in the centre right of the photo.
.(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53912920769_eb0176b935_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2q96P3H)400 lock stop (https://flic.kr/p/2q96P3H) by Macabe Thiele (https://www.flickr.com/photos/187487200@N03/), on Flickr
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Thanks for this Ted, I'll be taking a closer look at my bike in the daylight! ;D
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I should have cleaned off the dust plus some recent Aluminium filings before I took the photo but you get the drift.
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My lockstops are undamaged but my fork stanchions can just touch the tank. Everything is correct and straight, as far as I can tell, so I added a small packing piece to each lockstop to reduce the steering lock a little.
It works fine as it is now.
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I should have cleaned off the dust plus some recent Aluminium filings before I took the photo but you get the drift.
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My lockstops are undamaged but my fork stanchions can just touch the tank. Everything is correct and straight, as far as I can tell, so I added a small packing piece to each lockstop to reduce the steering lock a little.
It works fine as it is now.
Same on my xs650, everyone told me something must be bent but there is absolutely no sign of damage so I did the same and jb welded on a shim.
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I too fixed a small washer to the left side stop on my 400 so the aftermarket headlamp bracket cleared the tank.
Interestingly it is also affected by how far the tank fits on the front rubbers - I lubricated my new rubber front mounts with some red rubber grease on the U part on the tank where the mounts fit.
This gave me some forwards & backwards movement if I wanted the tank to rest a tad further back as the rear mount has some flexibility as to where it rests.
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I have just been in the garage and had a look at mine. Original frame, tank, bars etc., and if there was any more movement on the steering the first part to touch the tank would be the top yoke.
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If it's any help??
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And another. These are obviously of a standard bike.
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With me it is the throttle linkage on the right side and the switchgear on the left. My original bars were a bit higher than those I have now. That tongue thing the stops are supposed to meet is missing on my bike, I hope this can be fixed? missing
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It can but it means welding so ruining the paint.
I supose it would be possible to fabricate something that could be bolted to the steering stem
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That tongue thing the stops are supposed to meet is missing on my bike, I hope this can be fixed?
Looking at your frame is there any sign of where the tongue used to be as it appears it's just welded onto the bottom flanged part of the column tube that houses the bottom steering race?
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I've discovered that only a slight adjustment of the handle bars prevents anything getting into contact with the tank. I doubt very much if I'll ever have a tank slapper again, so a stop isn't important to me but is the lack of a stop a construction and use offense? :-\
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It's part of the Mot requirements - see attached article.
.https://fasttrackmotorcycles.co.uk/mot/mot-checks/steering-and-suspension/
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Yep...took my wife's 750 Honda in for an MOT last week and actually observed the mech checking the steering stop(s)!
Of course, due to their age, no MOT is necessary for these bikes though I have to admit that while happy about that, I don't understand the logic. Who decided that a 40+ year old vehicle DOESN"T need a periodic safety inspection whereas a three year old vehicle does? Makes no sense...but it's convenient! :)
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I suspect the legislation was introduced primarily for old cars as a result of lobying with a lot of sympathetic enthusiasts in both houses of Parliament.
Our local MP at the time Greg Night iirc had a collection of old vehicles employing a retired mechanic (Gerald RIP) who looked after his fleet of mainly early post war vehicles. Greg's house was impressive but his purpose built garages more so, when he lost his seat he sold up and presumably returned to live nearer London where he was a Barrister.
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I've read a rumour the government are going to scrap the 40+ year rolling free tax for historic vehicles as a way of clawing some more cash back from the hapless population. This happened once before when Gordon Brown scrapped the 25 year rolling tax exemption. My concern will be if the rumour is true and not only do the scrap the rolling 40 year exemption but scrap the whole thing altogether especially considering the current thinking of the climate control measures the strategy to have us all walking everywhere by 2035!
I just hope it stays as a rumour 😕.
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I can't see they would raise that much money although they could freeze the date and stop it being a rolling date.
I would just tax my bikes in the summer and cash it in when it gets cold so three months for Mr Starmer.
Be easier to make all Electric Cars Pay VED, not sure why you can pay 7p per kwh to charge your car but you have to pay 25 p per kwh or more for your home.
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I think they were talking about the mot exemptionfor safety, the original reasoning was that "classic" vehicles do a lot less mile and are looked after like favourite babies by their owners
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An Mot once a year would be fine with me tbh.
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I can't see they would raise that much money although they could freeze the date and stop it being a rolling date.
I would just tax my bikes in the summer and cash it in when it gets cold so three months VEL duty for Mr Starmer.
Be easier to make all Electric Cars Pay VED, not sure why you can pay 7p per kwh to charge your car but you have to pay 25 p per kwh or more for your home.
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Be easier to make all Electric Cars Pay VED, not sure why you can pay 7p per kwh to charge your car but you have to pay 25 p per kwh or more for your home.
VED is payable on electric cars from next year.
Certainly having to pay VED and MoT for classic vehicles would hit the many enthusiasts who have a collection of old vehicles. There has been some stories of using classics for everyday transport as they get round the duty and are ULEZ exempt. I know is Australia (maybe only some states) you are restricted to a maximum number of days a year and have to carry a log showing the days used.
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Oh well! I had better get this one sorted properly then. :(
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There has been some stories of using classics for everyday transport as they get round the duty and are ULEZ exempt. I know is Australia (maybe only some states) you are restricted to a maximum number of days a year and have to carry a log showing the days used.
Well for me that is certainly true to a point, I couldn't afford ULEZ as a nearly daily rider living a mile from the tower Bridge, but I opted to go classic when I returned to biking six years ago after a break of about twenty years because I looked at modern bikes and thought 'no'.
I could picture the mayor of London and the PM backtracking on these sort of exemptions though.
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There has been some stories of using classics for everyday transport as they get round the duty and are ULEZ exempt. I know is Australia (maybe only some states) you are restricted to a maximum number of days a year and have to carry a log showing the days used.
Well for me that is certainly true to a point, I couldn't afford ULEZ as a nearly daily rider living a mile from the tower Bridge, but I opted to go classic when I returned to biking six years ago after a break of about twenty years because I looked at modern bikes and thought 'no'.
I could picture the mayor of London and the PM backtracking on these sort of exemptions though.
I'm afraid the Mayor of London is nothing more than a money grabbing s***bag. He is not bothered by vehicle pollution at all. It is NOT illegal to drive a polluting vehicle in London, as long as you are willing to pay the daily charge then you can pollute as much as you like. I think I'm right in saying that in some cities, like Edinburgh possibly, it is a criminal offence for which you can be fined, not just given a PCN. London never stops looking for ways to extract money from people. Who knows, if he collects enough he might be able to afford a necktie and even look like a Mayor.
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There has been some stories of using classics for everyday transport as they get round the duty and are ULEZ exempt. I know is Australia (maybe only some states) you are restricted to a maximum number of days a year and have to carry a log showing the days used.
Well for me that is certainly true to a point, I couldn't afford ULEZ as a nearly daily rider living a mile from the tower Bridge, but I opted to go classic when I returned to biking six years ago after a break of about twenty years because I looked at modern bikes and thought 'no'.
I could picture the mayor of London and the PM backtracking on these sort of exemptions though.
I'm afraid the Mayor of London is nothing more than a money grabbing s***bag. He is not bothered by vehicle pollution at all. It is NOT illegal to drive a polluting vehicle in London, as long as you are willing to pay the daily charge then you can pollute as much as you like. I think I'm right in saying that in some cities, like Edinburgh possibly, it is a criminal offence for which you can be fined, not just given a PCN. London never stops looking for ways to extract money from people. Who knows, if he collects enough he might be able to afford a necktie and even look like a Mayor.
You hit the nail on the head there Micky👍. The mayor jumps on anyone driving a so-called polluting vehicle but does nothing to stop the illegal use of scooters to deliver a cup of coffee a packet of fags or a Macdonald's to those who are too lazy to get it themselves by riders with no licence or insurance. When he introduced the expansion of ULEZ to outer London he said the money raised would go to increase public transport. He was 100% true to his word, in Croydon he put one extra bus on the timetable on one route in the early morning!
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You hit the nail on the head there Micky👍. The mayor jumps on anyone driving a so-called polluting vehicle but does nothing to stop the illegal use of scooters to deliver a cup of coffee a packet of fags or a Macdonald's to those who are too lazy to get it themselves by riders with no licence or insurance. When he introduced the expansion of ULEZ to outer London he said the money raised would go to increase public transport. He was 100% true to his word, in Croydon he put one extra bus on the timetable on one route in the early morning!
One really big issue is the destruction of road space for cycle highways . They jam up traffic causing pollution that way but are often completely underused. Cycling itself is becoming anarchy in London and I'm sure elsewhere too. The law seems to be optional, they never get subject to any policing it seems. I've had a string of close calls with them, even in the pedestrianised Watney market let alone on the road, maybe he doesn't want the police to 'persecute' them, that wouldn't encourage active travel would it? >:(
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I think i need a first generation land rover diesel with a worn out engine and badly adjusted fuel pump so i can drive round and round his house
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They have put cycle lanes in the suburbs of Derby.
The uptake is close to zero probably as it's not exactly flat.
The e bikes use the pavements then veer into the road without warning. The preffered clothing is all black with a black hoodie and no lights or reflectors at Night - stealth mode for drug .dealing
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My pet hate is plod not enforcing the rules on pushbikes
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I used to ride bicycles extensively - I typically rode around 40 miles daily and was also on a racing team. Now...I hate 'em. Not personally, but the government concept that there needs to be cycle lanes and other such pandering is really annoying. And now, with e-bicycles they have taken what was an essentially pollution-free vehicle and turned it into an energy consumer. Don't even get me started on E-scooters; they should all be dumped into the ocean to create artificial reefs.
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And why are they not fully enfocing that private e scooters need insurance and a licence, one city/county is but most dont