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Title: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 13, 2024, 07:38:31 PM
I'm going to have a go at improving the appearance of my tank badges before I fit them back in place.(Boy are they expensive).
I did have some paint that I was given me but I can't find it, I might have binned it as it had gone solid just can't remember.

Any tips as to the shade of white Honda used?

.(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53920089077_e0104d6f42_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2q9JxWe)500 tank badge (https://flic.kr/p/2q9JxWe) by Macabe Thiele (https://www.flickr.com/photos/187487200@N03/), on Flickr





 
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: DomP on August 13, 2024, 08:23:48 PM
I'm in the same boat Ted, yours look in better shape than mine though with no wear to the gold anodising.  Mine don't need to be a faithful restoration though what with my cafe-esque restoration, they were jb welded onto the tank rather than with the clips so I assume someone has fillered over the tank fixings.
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: Johnwebley on August 13, 2024, 08:47:13 PM
I seem to remember someone used the little pots of model paint,

Was it Humbrol?



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Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: magpie114 on August 13, 2024, 09:06:10 PM
I had some success using the little pots of Humbrol enamel. The problem I had was that the badges had been knocked about a bit and I couldn’t get a clean edge.


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Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 13, 2024, 09:06:56 PM
Good idea to use Hubrol  they might even do a range of shades !
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: Seabeowner on August 14, 2024, 07:05:59 PM
I'm going to have a go at improving the appearance of my tank badges before I fit them back in place.(Boy are they expensive).
The original 500 badges were silver. The badges now sold are 750 badges and they are gold. Sold the ones I restored that were not great so just bought a set from Japan (So net cost only £37)
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: Bryanj on August 14, 2024, 07:38:20 PM
Just to confirm that yes there are two different parts for each side BUT they are soft enough to reshape the curve easily and many years ago when there were a few majour spares suppliers  like Tippetts, Fowlers, Skellerns,Bill Smith etc and i was talking to the manager of one of those he admitted they only kept one part number to keep inventory down
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: Spitfire on August 14, 2024, 07:50:09 PM
Yes Humbrol model paint 14ml tinlets, I used their paints for little jobs all over the F1 when I was restoring it, enamel paint, hard wearing and easy to use.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/8727/vl4liM.jpg)

Cheers

Dennis
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 14, 2024, 08:15:09 PM
Just to confirm that yes there are two different parts for each side BUT they are soft enough to reshape the curve easily and many years ago when there were a few major spares suppliers  like Tippetts, Fowlers, Skellerns,Bill Smith etc and i was talking to the manager of one of those he admitted they only kept one part number to keep inventory down

I had not realised the badges were actually handed Bryan, I assumed they came straight and bent to fit.
Now I have looked at the Parts Book I see they are handed as there are different numbers for L & R - threw me as my badges have the same casting  number 323 on the rear.

I guess it's fading over time - my badges look silver on the top edges & gold at the bottom.
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 23, 2024, 09:06:22 PM
Yes Humbrol model paint 14ml tinlets, I used their paints for little jobs all over the F1 when I was restoring it, enamel paint, hard wearing and easy to use.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/8727/vl4liM.jpg)

Cheers

Dennis

Much harder than I thought it would be  Dennis - more paint on my hands & office work surface than on the badges.
They are starting to look better if you are 10 feet away - I'm no good with a small paint brush so using a blunt hollow needle for most of the work.

When they look half decent from a few feet away I'll post some photo to give folk here a laugh.
At the moment I'm painting the badges that came with the bike as a sort of trial.

Be great if my phone had a soft focus facilty
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: Green1 on August 23, 2024, 09:28:22 PM
That sort of thing is always way harder to paint than anticipated

I had to bend the badges on my bike to suit.
As didn't realise they were handed. No Biggie and no one will ever know.

You've just reminded me one badge fell off not long ago and the clips went walkies
I'm sure I've ordered spare but god knows where they are.
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 24, 2024, 10:56:51 AM
This was two days ago - white section had letters filled with white mat Humbrol paint using blunt syringe tip adding paint drops and using needle as a brush whilst paint wet so it went into the corners.

Black had also had first coat by same process.

.(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53943909731_093ee3b72d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2qbQCZa)phase two (https://flic.kr/p/2qbQCZa) by Macabe Thiele (https://www.flickr.com/photos/187487200@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 24, 2024, 11:02:56 AM
This photo is after more white added to fill the badge to the edges, when dry removed some spill onto the silver alloy edges. Still more to scrape off.

First layer of real Gold based  Acrylic Paint.

I need to do a second layer of gold paint.

Worst bit is where edges of letters were damaged so black in the silver alloy - should have prepped better.

A bit bling as it's my first attempt with the gold paint.

I'm part way with the second badge so hope I improve.

.(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53944163343_f304a2e6a3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2qbRWnM)phase 3 (https://flic.kr/p/2qbRWnM) by Macabe Thiele (https://www.flickr.com/photos/187487200@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: magpie114 on August 24, 2024, 02:35:42 PM
I think the main problem is the damaged surfaces of the emblem which traps paint no matter how careful you are.

My side emblems were in a very poor state so I started from scratch after stripping them with a conventional paint stripper.

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I then painted them matt black with a rattle can and immediately wiped the paint from surface of the logo exposing the chrome surface. To do this I used a cork sanding block over which I stretched VERY tightly, a lint free cloth secured on the back with drawing pins. I had a few goes with this - I got better with a bit of practice. For any missed bits I used a small piece of cloth on a wood coffee stirrer Unfortunately it doesnt remove any of the entrapped paint from the damaged surfaces. The photo shows one of my practice runs.

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To fill with orange and white paint I used the finest pointed brush I could find which was from Hobbycraft. I found I had more success transferring a droplet of paint from the brush and guiding it with the tip rather than brushing. The finished result isn't as anywhere good as I expected it to be but it will do as a temporary measure. I'm waiting for a pair of new ones from Badge Replicas in the correct colours.

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Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 24, 2024, 03:16:33 PM
They look pretty good to me Magpie- I've fitted my first attempt on the tank - it will do for now - not paying £50 each for new replicas at the moment. Currently I have not fitted the proper steel clips - I'm using some plastic badge cups as they worked just great on the alternator cover badge (also easier to remove).

I'm scoring myself an E for effort - must try harder 4/10.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404681377390


.(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53944595319_1fe5d2823b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2qbU9MD)badge in place (https://flic.kr/p/2qbU9MD) by Macabe Thiele (https://www.flickr.com/photos/187487200@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: taysidedragon on August 24, 2024, 04:43:18 PM
That's looking really good Ted. Don’t be so hard on yourself! 🙂
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 24, 2024, 04:45:56 PM
That's looking really good Ted. Don’t be so hard on yourself! 🙂

It's like in the olden days  Gareth when you re-wallpapered a room - all I could see were the poor joints or tears  rather than the overall effect.

Title: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: magpie114 on August 24, 2024, 06:19:04 PM
That's looking really good Ted. Don’t be so hard on yourself!
+1
Looks good, we’re always our own worst critics
Alan


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Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: Spitfire on August 24, 2024, 07:08:57 PM
I would walk past that and think that it was really well kept, and as the orthers have said we are our own worst critics, we know the faulty bits so look for them.
I think you have done a grand job.

Cheers

Dennis
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: Green1 on August 24, 2024, 09:04:25 PM
One thing I've learnt as a decorator is never point out mistakes or bits your not happy with. People very rarely spot them unless highlighted
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: DomP on August 24, 2024, 09:43:38 PM
😄 totally agree mate, I fit kitchens and do some decorating.  Rarely are customers as critical or notice the bits we do.
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: Laverda Dave on August 24, 2024, 10:38:19 PM
I think it's a fantastic effort Ted, well done👍. The bike is looking tantalisingly close to finished.
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 25, 2024, 02:05:13 PM
It's very close to a shaked down run  in the next few days - only one tank badge to fit.

I need to get it safely off the bike ramp so my brother will pop over to help me get it off the centre stand. Not enough height to ride it off the ramp safely as the sectional door is rather close to my head!
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: Johnny4428 on August 26, 2024, 08:13:53 AM
Nice work Ted! Exciting times taking it out for the first run.
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: Honda enthusiast on August 28, 2024, 07:35:05 AM
A very good job you've made there on the 500/4 and the badges, Ted..
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: florence on August 28, 2024, 09:39:03 AM
Wow, very shiny.  Looking very good.
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 28, 2024, 11:43:30 AM
Not quite as good as this that I found today on tricks/tips!

.https://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,29208.0.html
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: florence on August 28, 2024, 12:27:34 PM
I'm shocked how much these badges are now.  I've got various ones that I chucked into one of my toolboxes, might have to dig them out.
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 28, 2024, 01:58:48 PM
I still have a pair of grade B badges to restore if needed that I bought from a member.
Title: Re: Emblem/Badge restoration.
Post by: Murf on September 14, 2024, 03:19:09 PM
I would give you more than 4/10 maybe 4.25/10,  :)
only joking, that looks like a really nice job, this sort of stuff is alway so much harder and time consuming than you think.
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