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Other Stuff => Misc / Open => Topic started by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on January 10, 2025, 01:35:03 PM
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Are places like Anglesey, Orkneys & Shetland full of humid salty sea air inland?
Does this impact on your bikes?
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We live on an island on the north Essex coast. About 1/3mile from the sea. I rely on ACF50. I have a significant winter condensation problem in my brick built garage, despite adding ventilation. Worst I've ever experienced, since we moved here 11 years ago. We get through brake discs every 3 to 4 years on our cars, due to corrosion, not wear. Usually the rears.
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We live on an island on the north Essex coast. About 1/3mile from the sea. I rely on ACF50. I have a significant winter condensation problem in my brick built garage, despite adding ventilation. Worst I've ever experienced, since we moved here 11 years ago. We get through brake discs every 3 to 4 years on our cars, due to corrosion, not wear. Usually the rears.
Not sure what mileage you cover in your cars, my Volvo has only done 17k miles and the outer edges are badly corroded already. at 3 years old.
I have read somewhere that a wooden shed is better than a brick built garage, I dont have a wooden shed either.
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Never lived on an island but lived on a shingle spit that sticks out 3 miles into the English Channel, Dungeness. Salt in the air all the time, no trees to lessen the impact of high winds or filter the salt and a landscape as flat as a pancake, everything was salty all the time, even plastic rusted 😂😂😂😂.
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even plastic rusted 😂😂😂😂.
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You very fahnee laydee Julie!
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As i started as a marine engineer yes plastic "rust" in marine environment, even fiberglass degrades
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We live on an island on the north Essex coast. About 1/3mile from the sea. I rely on ACF50. I have a significant winter condensation problem in my brick built garage, despite adding ventilation. Worst I've ever experienced, since we moved here 11 years ago. We get through brake discs every 3 to 4 years on our cars, due to corrosion, not wear. Usually the rears.
Canvy Island perchance, sounds idylic.
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Well we've been in Orkney for 20 years this coming November and yes, lots of salt laden air, windows sometimes near impossible to see out of! We are on the North West corner of the Orkney Mainland about half a mile from the coast of the Atlantic when looking North and about a mile from the same ocean when looking west, so not far from the tidal Island of the Brough of Birsay. When we were in Lancashire, also by the coast and also facing west, my workshop, built of 9" hollow concrete blocks was far more damp than the present one here, built from 4" solids and rendered and harled. I have never heated either of them (apart from an occasional hot air dryer for painted parts - and the more regular bouts of swearing!)
Strange thing is though - when we were south I struggled to keep rust from the lathe and milling machine, whereas I don't even need to cover them up and they never rust now.
I also have a large dry stone shed and I built a wooden shed within that and that really is cosy and some of the bikes sleep in there.
You certainly wouldn't leave precious items outside, they will rust before your very eyes! But I think as the temperature range is only between 0 degrees and 20 degrees with much slower transitions, rust on things inside is not as bad as in Lancashire where the range was minus 10 to plus 30 with many rapid changes producing 'instant damp' days where even the tyres dripped water. We also suffer from the 'Orkney brake discs' as our everyday Jazz has to sleep outside.
Johnny is in the Town, so may have different experiences.
Ian
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I've lived here in the Inner Hebrides for twenty years, the first winter was hell with salt laden sea winds and damp steadings , the bikes had condensation and the start of white corrosion on the bare polished alloy. I got the steadings re roofed and put in a false insulated ceiling along with new insulated concrete floors, the doors fit well now and the big shed has a sbr/cement slurry painted on the walls to stop damp ingress. The workshop and the big shed have a Mitsubishi dehumidifier each with a controller humidistat so all's well. No condensation or corrosion now and both are slightly warmed in freezing temps by the hot gas defrost on the dehumidifiers...they cost to run but not much, shame you can't buy this type anymore
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"Steadings" I had to look that word up, not one I've heard before, possibly mainly used north of Hadrian's Wall.
Then again you probably dont use words like Snicket but use Ginnel instead.
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We live on an island on the north Essex coast. About 1/3mile from the sea. I rely on ACF50. I have a significant winter condensation problem in my brick built garage, despite adding ventilation. Worst I've ever experienced, since we moved here 11 years ago. We get through brake discs every 3 to 4 years on our cars, due to corrosion, not wear. Usually the rears.
Canvy Island perchance, sounds idylic.
East Mersea, Mersea Island. 60 miles north of and a fair bit quieter than Canvey. It is pretty special, but miles from anywhere civilised. The sort of place 'you make your own fun'! :D
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Mersea Island, looks idyllic for the young who don't need access to a hospital on a regular basis, have they built a bridge to it or is it tidal dependent still?
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"Steadings" I had to look that word up, not one I've heard before, possibly mainly used north of Hadrian's Wall.
Then again you probably dont use words like Snicket but use Ginnel instead.
There's a good few words just used in Scotland, Ted and yes ginell is one but that one is also used in the North west of England...wait till you come across old Scots, it's a language of its own and takes some fathoming out 😊👍
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The local Dundonian dialect is hard to follow for a Taffy!
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In Beverley we use 'racket' for some if the town centre passageways.
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It's a 'Twitten' on the Kent / East Sussex border. It's a mixture of betwix and between, and twicen and twitches.
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Wait til you get asked to meet someone 'the Morn's Morn' or 'next night'. Or you are a 'wee yap o'shite' and must be 'blootered' cos your breeks are 'ootside in'
A simple Yorkshireman, saving hard to become a Scotsman!
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Great 😃👍 isn't it , if we were all the same and spoke the same, how boring it would be....I must admit I love diversity in people, there's always one donkey but people are mostly appealing 😊
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Mersea Island, looks idyllic for the young who don't need access to a hospital on a regular basis, have they built a bridge to it or is it tidal dependent still?
Still a tidal causeway, Ted, 'the Strood'. 40 minutes to the hospital, when the tide's out!
The tide tends to be over one and a half hours a day, every other week. Not too bad if you remember to check the tide table. But, it means a salty 1/2 mile is involved on most rides. So I'm a regular bike washer and buy ACF50 in bulk!
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Interesting that some of the EV and hybrid cars are now back on drum rear brakes, it seems for demand and corrosion consideration.
Low use with regeneration strategies, causing no cleaning at expected levels particularly rear brake provision.
VW ID 3 notable amongst volume producers doing this. There's quite some forum / yt action around it in Scandinavian market.
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On my XC40 hybrid the rear discs are well rusted at 17k miles through lack of use.
I've been told that it is due to the regenerative rear hubs that do most of the rear braking.
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My Audi Q4 has rear drums.
You are right about the regenerative braking as you develop a driving style that rarely requires the use of the brake pedal.
The rather odd result for anyone following is that the brake lights come on whenever regenerative braking is in use (like an F1 car
). So if you ever wonder why the guy in front on a motorway keeps braking for no apparent reason, he’s probably on cruise control which juggles throttle/ brakes continuously.
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Most HGV trailers have reverted to drums as discs required more maintainance
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All this talk of degenerate braking 🙈 and complicated electronics on modern cars makes me think of looking for a nicely restored Moggy Minor - with points, condenser and an accessible fuel pump you can whack with a piece of wood when it stops ticking. Plus collapsible front suspension, VED and MOT exempt!
Ian
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I'm showing my age, in 1971 I used to drive a Police Spec Moggie 1000, they had no extra performance, upgrades included a high output alternator (due to power sapping VHF radios) and servo assisted drum brakes.
Great reliable motors that were on the road 24/7, my Panda (445 area near Clowne) had over 130k miles on the clock, only time it failed to start was when I accidentally left the VHF radio on whilst I dealt with a sudden death. We had the PYE VHF two piece personal radios at that time but reception black spots made then useless in rural areas.
Having to get a bump start was very embarassing.
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Hendon.
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Mersea a place where the strood has caught me out more than once. I'v been mad enough to cross it when I should have known better. The Aprilia has gained most of its corrosion crossing that bugger and even snapped a chain because I was to lazy to clean it.
Never understood the don't need your brakes due to regen argument. I only ever change the disks and pads once in a vans lifetime. At 140k on my Ranger and 135k on the Doblo. I don't expect to do it again until at least 260k.
Disks on the back are a stupid idea my DRW Transit is due another set of discs due to the lack of use and full of corrosion ::)
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Hendon.
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That photo takes me back Steve, our Unit Beat Car Moggies could all be opened & started with the same key due to wear in the lock cylinders. Even though I was 23 in 1971 having held a full car licence since I was 17 I was not allowed to drive a Panda until I had passed my Panda only test, you were not allowed to use the Blue light until you had passed your Standard Driving Course that was 3 weeks residential course at HQ. The Ventoras were fitted with rear L plates & a driver under instruction plate. It was a 3.3 Litre Vauxhall Ventora police spec, standard Victor Trim with Ventura mechanicals. Best part of the course was the skid pan at HQ driving an old battered Zodiac.
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My dad was Scenes of Crime, iirc they had unmarked Viva HA vans to get around in. Later on some bright spark in purchasing decided that it was a good idea to buy Mini vans for 6 foot plus officers. Not a popular decision.
We're well off the original thread, none of these cars would have survived for long on salt-swept islands!