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Title: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on February 15, 2026, 03:50:10 PM


   I couldn't ignore the craving for blue smoke,

  so this appeared,
 imported from the USA,very low mileage,so far it seems  ok,
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Nurse Julie on February 15, 2026, 04:08:54 PM
Very nice John. I love any bike that upsets Greta Thunberg 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Bryanj on February 15, 2026, 04:40:03 PM
The original RD mate, should be fun, somewhere got a dti to set up timing mate
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Yetanotherbike on February 15, 2026, 06:34:54 PM
My first motorcycle was a round tank RD200 like this in metalic orange, complete with ace bars and a handlebar fairing. Despite lots of fettling and chamfering of the brake shoes, the front TLS brake was largely an on/off device. It was surprisingly powerful for the size of the bike, but very 'grabby'.
On my driving test, the tester told me he would simulate a real life situation where I would have to do an emergency stop. As I rode down the road expecting him to leap out or something, in my mirror a car distracted me by flashing his lights. When I looked forward again, the tester was in the middle of the road right in front of me with his arms open. As I was caught by surprise in panic I grabbed the brake and did a stoppie that Toprak would have been proud of!
Amazingly, he passed me and even congratulated me on my brake control.
I kept the bike for a year and was planning to get a RD400. My dad said, he would loan me the money if I bought a Honda 400/4, as he liked them. I wasn't really interested, but I was desperate to get a bigger bike, so I accepted the loan. One ride on my first Honda 400/4 and I was smitten and any thoughts of another Yamaha quickly evaporated.
Hope you have as much fun with your Yamaha as I did with mine.
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Laverda Dave on February 15, 2026, 06:45:39 PM
Nice looking bike John. You've also bought some sunshine to go with it👍
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on February 15, 2026, 06:52:46 PM
The original RD mate, should be fun, somewhere got a dti to set up timing mate
It's the one just before the RD,

No reeds,

I have a DTI,

The mileage is 480

Seems from the condition to be true,

Clean oil in the gearbox, plenty of compression


I shall just tidy it up, polish the scratches etc

Keep it with its patina

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on February 15, 2026, 08:00:08 PM
Ring a ding ding.

Nice one John.
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: DomP on February 15, 2026, 09:57:20 PM
Nice John, much work needed?
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on February 15, 2026, 10:39:00 PM
Nice John, much work needed?
Only spent a couple of hours looking around,

I connected a battery, the electric seem to work,

Does need various replacements

A few essentials, others cosmetic



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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: K2-K6 on February 16, 2026, 07:04:17 AM
Very nice John.

The Yamaha two strokes of that era always have a good intake acoustic, that induction roar as they come on power, quite distinct and charismatic.

A good bike for blatting around on this summer  :)
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Spitfire on February 16, 2026, 09:51:04 AM
A real piece of period biking it looks good

Cheers

Dennis
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: florence on February 16, 2026, 10:22:18 AM
I used to have a CS3, slightly older version of essentially the same bike.  For a small bike it was surprisingly fast.  Sadly, being very young and a bit too keen on thrashing it, the crank failed, some of it seemingly blasting out through the exhaust pipes ;D
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Bryanj on February 16, 2026, 11:23:11 AM
That looks like the last one before the RD, serviced loads of them way back when
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Rayzerman on February 16, 2026, 01:56:45 PM
I'd love a good 2-stroke resto project...... very difficult to find one here anymore, and restored ones are worth mega dollars....  saw an ad yesterday, gent has 3 RD350's, one runner, one needs pistons, one needs a lot of stuff..... for the lot he's asking C$20,000.  The RD's are very desirable, but not that desirable, lol!!
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on February 17, 2026, 12:56:13 PM
Just having a look around

Very surprised by the headline

Seems the bulb is fixed in


Also probably need rear shocks and rim,badly corroded,

BTW

the tyres are as new original

Yokahama 3 x18 R
                    2.75 x 18 f

Ideal for a show queen bike, which never gets ridden

Any offers??(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20260217/a5cc278474aaca55d3aa939788991be0.jpg)

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Bryanj on February 17, 2026, 01:16:11 PM
Thats a typical us headlamp, they like sealed beams for some reason
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Laverda Dave on February 17, 2026, 04:09:15 PM
Steve Cooper of the VJMC recently wrote a feature in Classic Bike Guide detailing how to convert US sealed beam unit to one with a lamp holder. It was about 4 or 5 issues ago. Unfortunately I now have to throw my bike mags away after I read them to avoid 'clutter'.
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on February 17, 2026, 04:34:08 PM
Steve Cooper of the VJMC recently wrote a feature in Classic Bike Guide detailing how to convert US sealed beam unit to one with a lamp holder. It was about 4 or 5 issues ago. Unfortunately I now have to throw my bike mags away after I read them to avoid 'clutter'.
Thanks

Will check on the interweb

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 03, 2026, 10:46:54 AM
ok
back from holidays,so to work,

fitted new MB9U battery,

  all the electrics work,lights,indicators,starter,

at present the rear indicators have red lenses,are they legal in the UK ??

replacing various missing blots,

 next job,do I need to strip the carbs,and check and clean,I have removed the slides ,and looking inside it looks immaculate,


more news soon,as it gets warmer
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Bryanj on April 03, 2026, 11:00:59 AM
Well the first morris minor with indicators not trafficators flashed the stop bulb so i guess it must be legal
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 05, 2026, 10:32:09 AM
While it is chilly,and windy I am sitting and planning ahead,

The tank has rust inside,

Looks intact, but I would like to remove/neutralise it, any advice for   doing that?

Next I have ordered a wheel  rim,so  into the unknown, having a go at wheel building, all the spokes and nipples have been loosened and  checked, will be stripping the brakes and overhauling lubricating the cams etc,

Advice welcome

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Bryanj on April 05, 2026, 10:53:03 AM
John, go to tricks and tips page 4 and look at wheel building the easy way mate, i wrote it years ago. Yours may only have 36 not 40 spokes but method is same.

I bought Julies wheel building jig so if you dont mind the travel cost you can borrow that but note i am away from about 10th April till 8th May
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 06, 2026, 01:15:41 PM
Got the Yam running

Sounds sweet,

The LH will need stripping and cleaning, I think the slow running jet is blocked

Runs great with choke, but not otherwise

Loads of blue smoke

Smells wonderful (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20260406/cb7b851ffcf3a6603a2b3fc36ae48821.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20260406/bc79a1e70cbcb432ae16c6b92c45e7a0.jpg)

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Skoti on April 06, 2026, 05:53:48 PM
John,

well done indeed, mind you that wee Yamaha will give your CB200 a run for it's money.

Thanks for posting the photos.
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Laverda Dave on April 06, 2026, 06:52:22 PM
Nice work John. I can't remember when I last saw a 2-stroke in London. The smell of a stroker running on synthetic racing oil was always great, just like a speedway bike on Castor oil.
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 06, 2026, 07:16:16 PM
ta all

   it seems like the mileage is  correct,

  appart from a bodged footrest mounting,everything seems ok,

 the LH side of the bike seems to be corroded more on the left,but I have been using BDX and  so far everything has come lose.

  now the down side,I can't find much info,about the CS3 or CS5,while the motor was running,,the charge light didn't go out,

 as it uses a combined dynamo and starter,,I am trying to find the details,ohms etc,to try and sort the issue,


  anyone have any knowledge,or links??


  thanks
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Skoti on April 06, 2026, 07:52:53 PM
Looks like possibly the original Japanese Inoue tyres that I seem to remember were were fitted from new back then.

Not that they'll be of much use after all that time, but nevertheless it helps confirm the mileage is true.

 
Edit
Just noticed from your earlier post they are actually similar treaded Yokohama tyres.

 


Maybe look for a Haynes workshop manual, similar to a 1973 UK spec RD200.
 
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 06, 2026, 08:28:30 PM
Thanks for your support

I have the Haynes

Covers CS3, CS5 And RD200

unfortunately, it claims the starter/generator is so complex

Take it to your local Yamaha dealer

LOL

but I have found a Yamaha CS5 manual, needs a lot of reading, but should help

Fingers crossed

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Bryanj on April 06, 2026, 08:58:50 PM
The charging system is more like an old dynamo car john with brushes on a commutator if i remember correctly and a regulator box, with standing the brushes could be stuck or dirty or the reg stuck, never took one apart so i dont know if it is mechanical or electronic.
If it is like the RD 200 you need a "special" tool to hold the advance mechanism open whilst setting the timing with dti down plug hole, i will tell you how on Thursday mate
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 06, 2026, 09:39:34 PM
Cheers

They claim to use matchsticks



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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Bryanj on April 06, 2026, 09:53:47 PM
Matchsticks dont work mate, believe me!!
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Yetanotherbike on April 06, 2026, 09:55:24 PM
My first bike was a Yamaha RD200. As I recall the dyno starter was similar to a design Villiers patented many moons before. Starting was almost instant.
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 06, 2026, 10:18:15 PM
Matchsticks dont work mate, believe me!!
I am smarter than that

I will use a lighter!!


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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Oddjob on April 07, 2026, 04:47:54 AM
Not sure but I may have a homemade one of that special tool. Was it shaped like a flat letter U? You held the weights open and inserted the legs of the U into small holes in the weights?
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Bryanj on April 07, 2026, 06:00:49 AM
Sort of Ken, my homemade one was made from braking rod and bent in a bit in middle of straight bits of U to give it some "springiness" mate.
Still got the Yamaha dti in box somewhere
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 07, 2026, 07:07:48 AM
Yes gentleman,

Thanks for your input

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: neat street on April 07, 2026, 07:30:58 AM
While it is chilly,and windy I am sitting and planning ahead,

The tank has rust inside,

Looks intact, but I would like to remove/neutralise it, any advice for   doing that?

Next I have ordered a wheel  rim,so  into the unknown, having a go at wheel building, all the spokes and nipples have been loosened and  checked, will be stripping the brakes and overhauling lubricating the cams etc,

Advice welcome

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Hi John, just seen this part of your post. I used white vinegar, fill tank to brim for a day or so, clean with presure washer. came out like new inside, just put some oil with diesel in the tank to stop any flash rust appearing.
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 07, 2026, 04:10:39 PM
While it is chilly,and windy I am sitting and planning ahead,

The tank has rust inside,

Looks intact, but I would like to remove/neutralise it, any advice for   doing that?

Next I have ordered a wheel  rim,so  into the unknown, having a go at wheel building, all the spokes and nipples have been loosened and  checked, will be stripping the brakes and overhauling lubricating the cams etc,

Advice welcome

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Hi John, just seen this part of your post. I used white vinegar, fill tank to brim for a day or so, clean with presure washer. came out like new inside, just put some oil with diesel in the tank to stop any flash rust appearing.
Thanks, just ordered 10ltrs

I assume neat is best

No pun intended



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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 14, 2026, 11:34:24 AM
Ok,a little bit of work over the last few days

Tank cleaned inside, Thank you Mr Street for the info,

Now a carb issue, LH is corroded, float pin stuck, need to be careful, don't want to break the pins

Advice needed,

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: K2-K6 on April 14, 2026, 11:49:31 AM
You could try steaming it, wallpaper stripper ? If it's gummed on the pin, that can free it.

Or boil it in water in an old saucepan.
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Skoti on April 14, 2026, 02:17:42 PM
Ok,a little bit of work over the last few days

Tank cleaned inside, Thank you Mr Street for the info,

Now a carb issue, LH is corroded, float pin stuck, need to be careful, don't want to break the pins

Advice needed,

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I would try and gently heat the carb with a hot air gun, being careful not to loosen the soldered parts on the brass float. Maybe fashion an old beer can to direct the heat away from the float?

Your tank looks good, wish I done that with mine 10 years ago instead of the sealer which is starting to lift now.
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Laverda Dave on April 14, 2026, 03:43:28 PM
I think I'd try the more gentle hot water method first in an ultrasonic bath with some carb cleaner fluid added.
This could be followed by a good dose of carb cleaner on the pivot and then another hot bath. You'd have to really careful if using a naked flame with the solder on the float being so close by.
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on April 14, 2026, 05:13:20 PM
For lower risk heating I use one of Wendy's old hair driers.

Upgrades include a Bosch Paint stripping heat gun,
lastly my Plumbers Calor Gas Torch.

None of the above worked on the seized center stand pivot on my 400, I had to resort to a hack saw and impact tool.
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 15, 2026, 10:26:30 AM
Thanks for all the help


Another option

A Chinese copy of the carb is online at £25,

So it might be worth a punt to see how good it is,

But, no rush, a little later I shall be making carb broth,

Don't fancy the taste!!

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Skoti on April 15, 2026, 11:26:38 AM
Thanks for all the help


Another option

A Chinese copy of the carb is online at £25,

So it might be worth a punt to see how good it is,

But, no rush, a little later I shall be making carb broth,

Don't fancy the taste!!

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John,

good luck with the Chinese carb, I've never had one yet that I've been able to make work properly on two stroke engines.

They're now in a box under my bench marked "junk".

 
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 15, 2026, 11:44:38 AM
Okay

Boiling away

The floats appear to leak,air bubbles coming from them,

As for the copy carb ,I was going to use it for spares,

And the body incase damage to the original,

I did buy a set for the CB200, they worked ok,

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: K2-K6 on April 15, 2026, 12:04:27 PM
"But, no rush, a little later I shall be making carb broth,"

Aha, the gourmand method  ;D chuck a couple of eggs in to boil and save energy, is that Michelin Starred œufs ?  :D

Solder should be 180c melt, so safe in boiling water. But shows a compromised float though, and may need a re soldering before use.
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 16, 2026, 03:00:44 PM
A couple of hours pottering in the garage,

Carb almost sorted, float pivot released

Only issue now is new gaskets, oh,and one of vents is still blocked,

Possible sonic cleaning will sort that,

Replaced the oil feed pipe without having to remove the clutch cover,

On PDI,the steering damper was wrongly assembled, also the throttle cable was routed wrongly, both sorted,

When the bike runs, the charging light stays on, it has a combined dynamo/starter,the starter works ok,it has been suggested I check the brushes, and also the regulator

So been working on that (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20260416/695ccfb3b3f011679276a158de05aad7.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20260416/c94b0efbf9cb9b6edf7854d17cbde161.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20260416/037344be65a9021302b21b92cd836501.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20260416/9e3443f1342d1414c461830dc534f51b.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20260416/c21ccc681d42016c8eb63b31d912af4c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20260416/cb2c84db7304f5c3df3f8043759a8d49.jpg)

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 18, 2026, 08:00:54 PM
Also derusted the gear lever,

Soaked the vinegar for a few days

Vast improvement (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20260418/facbfb518cf804edb996c0b746198fbb.jpg)

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 21, 2026, 05:40:18 PM

  the Chinese VM20 carb arrived,I odered it incase the original got damaged,

  it doesn't look to bad,obviously would need a mod for the choke,drill out an insert brass tube,

  I would be using the original jets and brass ware,

  useful safety net for £25 or so,

  I have had the original cleaned in a sonic bath,assembly to follow,
a few pics of the chinese carb,

 BTW,I notice they do replacement pertol tapes for the 500 etc,


Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Oddjob on April 21, 2026, 06:01:04 PM
Lol
Pertol tapes Jon? I presume you meant to say Petrol taps 😀😀
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 21, 2026, 06:05:23 PM
Yup

My fingers are way behind my thoughts

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Oddjob on April 21, 2026, 06:14:30 PM
Gets to us all John. Old age sucks.
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 29, 2026, 02:18:47 PM
I seem to have the carbs set up now, the RH was leaking, seems the original float bowl became porous from internal corrosion,

So the spare Chinese carb donated  a new spare,
Leaking solved

Short video to follow

Just got to sort the charging issue

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on April 30, 2026, 02:16:47 PM
Generator removed, brushes checked, made sure they moved and were long enough,

It's the very devil refitting the stator,

Retracting said brushes is tricky,

Basically no real improvement

The charging light dims,but doesn't go out

Anyone got any thoughts?


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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Skoti on April 30, 2026, 02:39:08 PM
Gosh that's a beefy looking rotor for a wee bike.

Have you got any electrical test data for the stator, rectifier and voltage control unit?

Better to test rather than guess, a simple multimeter would probably suffice.


Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on May 01, 2026, 10:53:54 AM
Gosh that's a beefy looking rotor for a wee bike.

Have you got any electrical test data for the stator, rectifier and voltage control unit?

Better to test rather than guess, a simple multimeter would probably suffice.
It is a starter/dynamo,

I guess a similar system that Villiers used for the engines in the Bond cars

Possibly Isetta,BMW etc used the same for the bubble cars,

The Villiers had a switch, like golf carts, that would start the motor in reverse rotation, so no reverse gear needed

I have a multi meter, most of the readings seem to be somewhere near

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: K2-K6 on May 01, 2026, 11:04:28 AM
Perhaps some guidance in here John

Siba dynastart problems often stem from worn brushes, faulty control boxes, or weak batteries, resulting in poor cranking or failure to charge (indicated by a persistent red light). These units, common in microcars and small boats, are prone to dampness, corrosion, and overheating. Key solutions include rebuilding the unit, upgrading to a solid-state controller, and ensuring correct wiring, particularly using specific Siba coils to prevent burnout.Common Siba Dynastart Problems and SolutionsFailure to Charge:Control Box Failure: The mechanical control boxes are a frequent source of failure. Test if voltage exceeds 13V at the battery when running; if not, the control box or wiring is likely faulty.Worn Brushes: Third brushes can wear down, causing poor contact with the commutator.Overheating: If the unit gets extremely hot, a faulty controller may be causing over-charging, which can ruin field coils. Solid-state regulators are recommended as an upgrade.Poor or No Cranking:Weak Battery: Dynastarts need high power; check for a fully charged battery (approx. 12.6V).Corroded Terminals: Inspect wiring from the battery to the starter solenoid and motor.Solenoid Issues: If clicking occurs but it won't spin, the solenoid may be faulty.Ground Issues: Ensure a good ground between the engine block and the solenoid.Ignition Problems:Siba-Specific Coils: Using conventional car ignition coils can destroy the stator or control box. Siba systems require dedicated Siba coils.Condenser Failures: These can cause running issues.General Maintenance:Dampness: Units are sensitive to moisture.Overloading: A faulty relay can cause the unit to push too much power.Rebuilding: If the internal wiring is damaged, the unit may need to be rebuilt, often by a specialized auto-electrician.If the engine starts with a pull-starter, the issue is isolated to the Siba unit. If the unit makes a huge spark but doesn't turn, it could have an internal

A bit wordy, but may contain some relevant direction in which to look.

They were "Siba" dynastart in common use from my understanding, the neighbour at bottom of our garden when I was a kid was MD of the UK manufacturer and used to talk about them to my dad. Another neighbour had a few Issetta BMW cars too.
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Skoti on May 01, 2026, 11:41:59 AM
Gosh that's a beefy looking rotor for a wee bike.

Have you got any electrical test data for the stator, rectifier and voltage control unit?

Better to test rather than guess, a simple multimeter would probably suffice.
It is a starter/dynamo,

I guess a similar system that Villiers used for the engines in the Bond cars

Possibly Isetta,BMW etc used the same for the bubble cars,

The Villiers had a switch, like golf carts, that would start the motor in reverse rotation, so no reverse gear needed

I have a multi meter, most of the readings seem to be somewhere near

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Back in the seventies I worked on a few later RD200 models with the coffin shaped tanks, but can't recall if I ever encountered charging system problems.
Wish I could suggest something to help you.

Be interesting to learn what the problem turns out to be tho.

Good luck.


Knew an old bloke that had a Bond Minicar years ago, it was also possible to kick start it but you had to clamber out of the car and step under the bonnet to do it. Very amusing to witness.



 
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on May 01, 2026, 01:08:20 PM
Interesting morning

Thought I would see what the control box did,

According to manuals,the centre unit is a cut out,

The big one on the end is the starter solenoid,

Other voltage relay

So with the engine running at fast tickover, about 1700

I pressed the voltage relay switch, nothing happened,

Then the middle one

Charge light out,

But about 4 seconds later, the main/only fuse blew

Time to ponder again

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on May 01, 2026, 01:22:23 PM
Interesting morning

Thought I would see what the control box did,

According to manuals,the centre unit is a cut out,

The big one on the end is the starter solenoid,

Other voltage relay

So with the engine running at fast tickover, about 1700

I pressed the voltage relay switch, nothing happened,

Then the middle one

Charge light out,

But about 4 seconds later, the main/only fuse blew

Time to ponder again

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on May 10, 2026, 12:10:54 PM
still having charging issues,


  after a little running,the charge light does dim,but never fully goes out,

   got another test to check,


  then a possible  stator rewind?  or Rotor,,or both,

  but the other alternative is fit VAPE electronic ignition and generator,dowside is you lose the electric start,

  more details  soon
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Skoti on May 10, 2026, 06:54:35 PM
Fitted VAPE about 10 years ago to a 1942 NSU and a Jawa 350, it's quality kit and has been absolutely trouble free.
But not cheap especially for the NSU 125ZDB.

But I'm aware you have problems with your ankle so perhaps electric start is important?

 
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on May 10, 2026, 07:16:43 PM
I don't really need to kick start it
I can just lean over the seat and push the lever with my arm

Starts easily enough

But I like to press the button!!

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Bryanj on May 10, 2026, 09:55:56 PM
Let me have a ponder on some test for you Ted before you remove anything
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on May 11, 2026, 03:16:56 PM
Just visited a local electrical rewind specialist

He suggests clean thoroughly,

Current can leak away using debris from the worn brushes

More news in a few days

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Bryanj on May 11, 2026, 04:42:24 PM
If you can get it Armaclean is best or carbon tetrachloride but i think that is now designated as a "nasty"
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on May 14, 2026, 03:04:00 PM
an interesting morning,

cleaner spray brought up everything like new,

 rotor segments all good,no leakage to earth

  cleaned the stator and brushs

  brush 1 and 3 seem to be the power ,nice and clean,no leakage to earth,brushes 2 and 4 are earthed,so not so critical.


  started again,guess what,no change,still no charge
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Bryanj on May 14, 2026, 03:48:50 PM
Does the electric starter work?
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on May 14, 2026, 04:15:21 PM
yes,

  but it seems slowish,

  but I am comparing it to the 500 and 200,which have different systems,


   the only electrical thing that really needs replacement is the ignition switch,it has been knacked ,with the centre core removable and all the pins missing


 would that make a difference?  my thoughts are it only turns a  contact unit to switch it all on
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Bryanj on May 14, 2026, 04:39:49 PM
Just the lock part will make no difference, from what you described the problem is the regulator/cut out box, i have been trying to work out a test for it but having been away for 3 weeks work is hard!
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Bryanj on May 14, 2026, 04:56:50 PM
John try this
aircooledclub.com/manuals/cs3b.pdf

I have screenshot the reg part and will read testing at work on sunday and get back to you

That should be aircooledrdclub.com/manuals/cs3b.pdf
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnwebley on May 25, 2026, 05:13:06 PM
I have tested the regulator,

No current being fed to activate the generator,

So I have sent it off to a place in Lincoln,
He specialises in old dynamo and control boxes,

Strips them out and converts them to solid state,

With updates, such as reverse polarity protection

Also will keep the electric starter

I also have been busy, putting a new rim on the rear wheel,

First ever wheel build

Also before and after wheel (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20260525/ebb3fe14de9fcd7127892a06717eb44b.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20260525/e0dae87f61cd9c402c7c85195ad158a7.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20260525/0d36e3f394741fef5faeae3de40da8f4.jpg)

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Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Bryanj on May 25, 2026, 09:03:26 PM
Well done Ted, just takes patience mate, i would think the reg is a corroded contact of siezes pivot but if the man can convert it reliably thats good
Title: Re: Yamaha CS5
Post by: Johnny4428 on May 27, 2026, 07:14:34 AM
Very satisfying to build these. The truing is therapeutic.