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SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB500/550 => Topic started by: LesterPiglet on March 08, 2014, 06:08:50 PM
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Took my bike out for it's first run since October. Bike kept going on to two pots. I discovered it was sticky contact breakers(points) for 2 and 3. Tried cleaning the buggers but the problem persists.
So I decided to check Silvers for genuine replacements... It would cost me £39.30. Fork that. Aftermarket will cost me £9. £2.50 of which is delivery. For the genuines delivery it's £11.75
Something totally messed up with their delivery process. It should not be based on cost, but on size/weight.
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Lester,
Said it all along the post charges are getting unrelistic.A full set of decals excluding tank strips were half the price of the post f ck me they go in a letter dont they?The other day a crank for something like 20 quid post over a grand albiet from the states who on earth is going to pay that I only paid a grand for the whole bike.
Sometimes I think sell em cheap get the buggars with the post costs.
Cheers
Bitsa
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They sound cheep ::) There £50.40 plus post for the 750.
Mick
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50 quid a piece or set ? Either way I am glad I bought a shed load cheap.
Cheers
Bitsa
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Same points for the 550 and 750.
Actually it looks like all the fours use the same points.
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I only wanted a tappet but, the postage was £2.50. So he is on hold until i need other parts.
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I only wanted a tappet but, the postage was £2.50. So he is on hold until i need other parts.
Make sure the parts don't amount to more than £20 or you will pay £11.75 postage. >:(
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Lester, you should of ordered the 750 points. Maybe they will last twice as long and give better performance. ;)
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1970-78-honda-cb750-cb750f-cb550-cb550f-cb500-cb-CONDENSER-CONTACT-POINTS-KIT-/121258976658?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c3b992592
From the US.
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Lester, you should of ordered the 750 points. Maybe they will last twice as long and give better performance. ;)
I won't be using Silvers if I can help it.
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All we need now is the exchange rate for the euro to go back to 1.60 to the pound and CMS will be a lot cheaper than Dave Silver Parts.
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He joined us a few weeks ago , at my request, then I guess he bowed out because of all the comments about his hikes in prices , making him rich a rich man etc., which just coincidentally happened to be being aired at the time he joined. He then contacted me and asked if we have any issues/queries, for me to direct him to the relevant post, which I am happy to do. As a group, we may be able to get some kind of concession from him I don't know but worth asking I suppose. But let's give him some credit too. e.g. he is importing Yamiya NO.NO. pipes and selling them without a massive markup. How much would they cost us directly from Yamiya, once you have paid the import charges and delivery?
Cheers... AshD
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That doesn't justify two different delivery charges for the same package.
If he wants to keep a loyal customer base these postage charges need revised.
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I used to spend hundreds with Dave silvers - Prices used to be competative enough to be worth just ordering all the parts I needed for a year, but my last order went to Wemoto as even just a few brake pads and throttle cables was set to cost significantly more - thing is for restoration, customers demand high standards, not just functionality, that drives up prices as returns dent profits. For me who just runs a bike for transport it means I'm off elsewhere. For Dave Silvers bussiness he is chasing serious restorations and is frankly king of the hill on that front, with a pretty solid reputation, as well as having the buying power to get stuff repoduced, though I immagine that comes with it's own fairly mammoth overheads in warehousing terms, millions of £££ worth of stock to keep in order and insure. My mate runs a small motox shop that recently got done over by scum, in terms of un insured losses, stock that wasn't immediately obvious had been taken etc the robbery cost him personally £15k and his insurance renewal will go up too. Dave silver is playing a high steaks game but without him a lot of sohc bikes might not be viable with small details like brake calipers now being re produced. The postage issue I'd hope will be resolved as it is a major put off.
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OK I have linked him to this post via Facebook.
Personally I think he is one of the good guys.
Cheers.. AshD
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Okay guys, I can understand the gripes about postage, but we have to bear in mind the utter rip off that is Royal Snail pricing policy, they keep moving the goalposts on parcel sizes and weights. Packing materials cost money too, even an A4 jiffy bag doesn't give much change from a quid to buy. I sympathise with Dave Silver on some of these issues, he doesn't deliberately set out to rip people off, far from it, and without him and his love for older Hondas we'd be in shit street for many parts, he is very fussy about the quality of parts he has specially made. Maybe if you are that bothered about postage prices, go and collect them, then it's free, or maybe if a member lives nearby he/she would be willing to collect them and post them by a cheaper courier company, or arrange for a courier company such as hermes to collect them for you. Also, with Royal Snail, anything valued at over 28 quid for insurance purposes has to go by "special delivery" which starts at £7.50! so even 2 sets of points and 2 condensors would cost that to send, plus packing materials. Okay, rant over:))
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You seemed to have missed the point that a package is £2.50 postage if it's aftermarket then it jumps to £11.75 to post the exact same package if the parts are genuine. This has nothing to do with Royal Mail.
It's a bad way to do business.
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I agree with hairygit, the post office have got very expensive, I only use them for very small items, and Hermes for larger stuff. I find its better to order a few items at once from silvers, items send via a carrier only costs £5-6 if I remember correctly, good value for bigger orders. Lester I think its the insurance that costs more for items over a certain value, Post office always asks value when you take in a parcel, so it could be that making the cost rise
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I agree with Lester on this. Order a aftermarket ignition switch at £20, and postage is £2,50. Then add a OEM tappet and it jumps to £11.75.
And as for insurance from the PO, it is a joke. I sent a kick start off for a re-chrome. The PO lost it and when i made a claim they sent 6 first class stamp as compensation. They recon that it is a second hand part and only has scrap value.
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Good point hairygit, I can quite see that side of it, but I'd say there are cheaper services than royal mail, especially when it comes to a halfway big or weighty item, I sold a cb250 brake disk and speedo drive the other day, 99p and £8 postage, thought that would cover it, poped into post office £14 to send it - the post office lady did assure me it was insured for something like up to £50 or something, but since it ony got a 99p bid that wasn't an issue, as it was I sent it for about £5 via Hermes, who even collect at that price. I note the Hermes prices went up after RM's but still cheaper. One thing Dave Silver has in his favour in a big way, no one can rival his range of parts or indeed the quality of a lot of it.
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Firstly, we do not make any profit on the packing and postage. Up to £20 is sent via royal mail which carries
no tracking and in the event of total loss is the max they are prepaired to pay out. Above this value we use a courier which carries a fixed charge in the UK mainland and a higher fixed charge for Islands and Northern
Island which is the highest. Customers using any website shopping cart generally want to know at the time of placing their order what the final total is, in any case the millions of permutations of parts combinations would render it impossible to organise it any other way. Of course, this does not favour orders that only just breech £20, however, on many occasions as the orders are actually processed manually we will often still use royal mail when the order is clearly below 2kg (maximum allowed) and the value is only slightly higher than £20.
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David also added this via Facebook :
David Silver Spares wrote:
"Hi Ashley, I have posted my reply on the forum. Please note that I am in the USA currently and have a very full week so may not be able to make any further replies for now. Towards the end of next week, I am packing up a museum of vintage Honda M/C (Google Bob Logue museum) which is coming to the UK for display at Leiston. Your members may be intereted in seeing them.Announcements about this will follow"
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Hello David and welcome to the forum ;) cheers Mick.
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So there you have it guys and girls, David has taken the time to explain the issues with postage and couriers ( which was basically what I was saying yesterday) Now, how about we stop all the grumbling about carraige charges and think about the good things he and his company have done for us, examples being brake calipers for 750 F1/K7/A, tanks for 400 fours, exhausts for the same, chainguards, and many other parts unobtainable from Honda. I know replica parts aren't good enough to satisfy the concours few among us, but these parts are well made and keep our bikes on the road, which is what more than 99% of us want!
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Hi David and thanks for the explination. I'd like to just echo the thanks for all that you do in providing us with those hard to get parts for our beloved Hondas, as I've said before, without your services many of our bikes would no longer be viable.
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So there you have it guys and girls, David has taken the time to explain the issues with postage and couriers ( which was basically what I was saying yesterday) Now, how about we stop all the grumbling about carraige charges and think about the good things he and his company have done for us, examples being brake calipers for 750 F1/K7/A, tanks for 400 fours, exhausts for the same, chainguards, and many other parts unobtainable from Honda. I know replica parts aren't good enough to satisfy the concours few among us, but these parts are well made and keep our bikes on the road, which is what more than 99% of us want!
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+1 from me . This is why I asked him to join us on here. Welcome from me too David
Now lets have a proper discussion with him about sourcing repro parts etc. Interesting on his Facebook pages that they find rechroming in the UK for their 400/4 resto business economically not viable in the UK. Just like we are finding!
Cheers .... AshD
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Yes, hairy. But it still is an unfair system. It will cost Lester £11.75 for a package over the value of £20. I could order a package to my house in Greece cheaper. Orders under 2 kg and under the value of £60 will only cost £6.00 p&p. That is half the price and ten times the distance. Dave why do you use a courier in the UK for package over the value of £20 but, still use the Royal Mail for goods upto the value of £60 to europe?.
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I agree Trigger, but Lester does not live on the mainland, and royal mail sets the rules on that. Maybe if people phone an order through, and make it clear that they understand compensation to a maximum of £20 is all that's available, his staff may send it at the cheaper rate, entirely at the buyers risk. Or as I suggested earlier, maybe there is a member here who lives close to Silvers that would be willing to collect the items and arrange to post them on?
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I remember when Dave first started out. I was very impressed with his service out of a garage. But has the years have past he has become expensive to the point where i buy my parts from other european outlets. Today i ordered a carb float valve, set of 4 from one of my german suppliers which cost £28 with a P&P charge of £6.26. So, if they can do it why can't Dave do it.
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Cost, in a word. A lot of the tooling will have been lost. The subbies may no longer exsist or have been bought out. then there is the limmit of what people will pay and how many.
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I find it pretty odd that when I send something from here to England/Scotland/Wales it would cost me the same as sending it to Belfast.
How come its different coming this way?
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Hope all of this talk doesn't deter him from contributing again here. There are a million questions I want to ask him about restoration techniques, sourcing repro parts, rechroming etc. I started the dialogue with him via Facebook regarding the various quality wheel rims he sells and the reply from him was brilliant and really informative. There are lots of parts on Yamiya's site that you can't get elsewhere. He obviously has a tie in with them re: 750 exhausts and if he started to stock some of Yamiyas parts it would get round all of the hassle of delivery costs from Japan and the dreaded import charges. Not personally used the German sites for New/NOS stuff but some of the used parts people in Germany are just streets ahead of anything in the UK,. For instance if they sell a camshaft they give you the journal and lobe height dims and the price and quality are usually spot on too.
RE: the old Honda dealers who still have NOS stock, there is one here in Hull area who is selling a camchain guide blade NOS for more than Honda still sell it for new. They all think they are sitting on a goldmine, thanks mainly to Ebay. I think the days of them chucking them in a skip or selling them off cheap are long gone!
Just my 2p worth. ... Cheers... AshD
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2p worth. Ash with inflation, that must be £12.56 by now ;)