Honda-SOHC
Other Stuff => Misc / Open => Topic started by: AshimotoK0 on June 10, 2014, 07:28:02 AM
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Hi,
I am putting together a list of questions to ask David Silver directly (he agreed to do this after becoming a member on here, at my request).
So far:1) Ash -- Do you intend to stock more Yamiya Stuff. ( Seat components, small items like decals etc).
2) James --- Availability of repro. HM341 exhausts
3) UkPete --- (& Ash) Issues on the repro CB750K0/K1 fork stanchions he sells.
NO ::) ... I wont ask him to reduce his prices or argue about postage.
have already asked him about who he uses for re-chroming. He has had lots of hassles with the people he has used for his 400/4 resto programme. He also told me that there is legislation coming in in about two years to ban the process.
Cheers ...AshD
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replica exhausts for CB500-4 K1-2 etc !!!
are they the HM323 ??
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Plus 1 with oddjobs comment
Cheers
Bitsa
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John I searched DS website and see no replica 500 exhausts, are you asking for them or asking if they are stamped 323?
I'd ask Dave that considering that shell bearings are getting harder to find each year for all models does he have any plans to find a source that can produce them. It's all well and good having replica tanks and seats available but if the engine won't go because the shells are knackered all the other stuff doesn't matter.
Will do .. I saw a few years ago that a company in Australia did undersize shells for the 750 ( I think CBX1000 ones are the same too). Questionable that the crank hardening depth would stand a re-grind but someone obviously tooled up to make replacement shells.
Cheers ...AshD
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John I searched DS website and see no replica 500 exhausts, are you asking for them or asking if they are stamped 323?
I'd ask Dave that considering that shell bearings are getting harder to find each year for all models does he have any plans to find a source that can produce them. It's all well and good having replica tanks and seats available but if the engine won't go because the shells are knackered all the other stuff doesn't matter.
just ask if he will do replicas of the HM323 pipes,
thanks
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Oddjob
Who in France is asking for them it aint me and I thought I knew most of the French on here.No alot of the Germans wil only sell to germany
So for me you are in the clear
Best of luck
Bitsa
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Oddjob
Out of curiousity yes please.Bloody French are quick to buy but a git to sell to
Cheers
Bitsa
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Email sent to DSS as below:-
A while ago, you joined the SOHC UK forum and you said that you may be able to answer any questions we have via myself.
If I need to send these to someone else in your organisation please let me know.
1.Any plans to stock more Yamiya parts. Examples: K0 seat covers/foams, small items such as decals. These are really expensive to
individually import direct due to customs and shipping charges?
2.Any plans to source repro. CB500/4 HM323 silencers?
3. Any plans to source repro. CB750/4 HM341 silencers?
4.Comment from member on CB750 K0 repro fork stanchions. “I got them from DS, but if you go down that route be warned whoever he got to make these parts got it wrong you will find that the piston and valve ring do not fit as the chrome on the bottom takes the stanchion diameter out to far , I had to ream the inside of these parts so they fitted again, a proper painâ€
5.Any chance of getting repro. rubber wheel for cam chain guide for CB250/350K series Part no 14500-312-000 ? I do have an ex-colleague who owns a rubber/rubber to metal bonding company. I also have access to chemical analysis of OE materials/hardness.
6.Some crankshaft bearing shells are getting rare and expensive. Can these be reproduced?
7.Any news on the planned opening date for the museum?
Best regards ....Ash
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I'll second point #4 on those stanchions - what a pain. I took the more bloody difficult route as didn't want to destroy the original piston ring & valve and so took a few microns out of the chrome & thence polished. (750 K2)
On the flip side of this.... assuming David's reading... I would have otherwise been stuffed, and so thank you very much. A small price to pay...
Simon
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David Silver answererd as follows:-
Sent: 10 June 2014 23:11
To: David Silver
Subject: SOHC Forum Questions.
Hi David,
A while ago, you joined the SOHC UK forum and you said that you may be able to answer any questions we have via myself.
If I need to send these to someone else in your organisation please let me know.
1. Any plans to stock more Yamiya parts. Examples: K0 seat covers/foams, small items such as decals. These are really expensive to
individually import direct due to customs and shipping charges?
"No-We cannot stock any aftermarket item with the word ‘HONDA’ on it for Trade mark legal reasons".
2. Any plans to source repro. CB500/4 HM323 silencers?
"Yes-Tooling has been made but production was transferred to Italy from China this year. This has caused severe delays".
3. Any plans to source repro. CB750/4 HM341 silencers?
"Yes-as above but we MAY get some through end of this month".
4. Comment from member on CB750 K0 repro fork stanchions. “I got them from DS, but if you go down that route be warned whoever he got to
make these parts got it wrong you will find that the piston and valve ring do not fit as the chrome on the bottom takes the stanchion diameter out to far , I had to ream the inside of these parts so they fitted again, a proper painâ€
"I don’t know about this, I believe that there were subtle changes by frame no on the CB750 sandcast and CB750K0-early K2. Possibly the makers have not taken that into account".
5. Any chance of getting repro. rubber wheel for cam chain guide for CB250/350K series Part no 14500-312-000 ? I do have an ex-colleague
who owns a rubber/rubber to metal bonding company. I also have access to chemical analysis of OE materials/hardness.
"Not on our program just yet as the Honda one is still available".
6. Some crankshaft bearing shells are getting rare and expensive. Can these be reproduced?
"No, these are so size critical and we don’t currently have a factory capable of producing them"
7. Any news on the planned opening date for the Honda museum in Leiston, Suffolk, UK?
"Still waiting to hear back from the planning dept. If all goes well, early 2015"
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Well it's nice of Dave to answer. Regarding the shell bearings, I wonder if the original firm who made the shells in the 70s is still in business, I don't imagine Honda produced them themselves but you never know it might have been an in house thing. If the original firm was still going it's possible they would be willing to make some more but then again it would depend on quantity being ordered whether it would be worth their while.
Just looked at an old big-end shell and there is a logo on it it looks like a shallow C followed by a close D these have two concentric circles around them . The inside circle has a little mark in the side. It may be daido metal http://global.daidometal.com ( Difficult to describe but can photo with my PC microscope tomorrow). They have STD and D7C stamped in them too (from a CB750). Sure they are the same part as CBX1000 and sure that years ago, someone 'down-under' was selling 0.25mm undersize shell kits.
Cheers ...AshD
Update from K0/K1/K2/K3/K4/K5 Parts Books. OEM was definitely Daido metal (est. 1939)
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I've e-mailed Daido to see if they can reproduce them and if so how many they would need to make in order to make it a viable proposition.
Great stuff !! This is what makes this site such a great place to visit !!
Not sure if any Honda Shells are NLA. Does anyone know?
Perhaps we need more gems of OEM suppliers so that we can research e.g. Riken -- Rings, ART -- Pistons, Sankei --- 400/4 exhausts (my genuine Honda 400/4 silencer has 'SANKEI' stamped into it (bought new from Honda agent in 1985), DID .. Rims etc (is Daido same company as DID?)
We need a Japanese 'Special Agent' on board! Bet the Yamiya guy knows everything. Evidently he has a first issue CB750 Sandcast Part Book from '69 with ton's of scribbling in it, with gems of info.
Cheers ... Ash D
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Ash, just wanted to say thanks for co-ordinating these questions for DSS. Glad to hear the Hm341 reps are due in soon.
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+1 I never remember to ask him anything when I do there. ::)
Mick
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No Problem.
Any more questions just post and I will gather a few up and ask again. Shame he cant't stock Yamiya seats though because of the 'HONDA' logo. I wonder how Yamiya get away with it? They also seem to tap into the OEM suppliers for repro's, like the cut 750K0 front mudguard etc. Suppose it's mainly because they are in Japan.
I think we need further clarification on the 750K0 stanchions issue though. Perhaps David would allow us to talk with the manufacturer or forward our findings to the manufacturers.
Anyone know the history behind the people at Yamiya?
Cheers ... AshD
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Well done, i am amazed they replied, however i suspect if they could make them the order numbers would have to be high
pete
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Glenn has 10,000 members. If there's any chance of new production we could easily join forces.
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I suppose DSS would have the buying power to warrant a substantial order but I won't contact him unless everyone is happy about it. I know the German sites source/manufacture special items and just make them available to club members at the discounted rate (e.g. CB750 SOHC primary drive damper rubbers).
BTW if there is any specialized part which required re-manufacture made of rubber or rubber/metal bonded component I have an ex-colleague who is a Honda owner and also owns a rubber moulding company and also one who analyses rubbers/plastics. He is local to me in East Yorks.
Also I am almost certain that the CBX1000 uses the same crank shell bearings as the CB750 SOHC
Cheers ... AshD
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Is it too late to ask DSS if/when they will be releasing a repro kickstart for the 400/4? I had one on back order at one time but it got cancelled.
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Is it too late to ask DSS if/when they will be releasing a repro kickstart for the 400/4? I had one on back order at one time but it got cancelled.
No not too late, let's just keep compiling lists of say at least half a dozen or so questions and I will submit.
Cheers ... AshD
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hi to all, a question for dss, would it be possible to remanufacture via an engineering co?, new rear luggage racks for the cb400f/550/etc as i think it would be a good seller? as they are like hens teeth! rare!!. thanks honstan3.
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hi to all, a question for dss, would it be possible to remanufacture via an engineering co?, new rear luggage racks for the cb400f/550/etc as i think it would be a good seller? as they are like hens teeth! rare!!. thanks honstan3.
Would also be good to ask the same about repro cb750 rear grab rails ash...
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Hi Ash,
HM341's : Every previous ETA has been exceeded because more and more problems keep presenting themselves. Chinese made moulds, Italian producers, thankfully not my project. I have been led to believe first prototype is almost ready for test fit then we are about 8 weeks away.
Best Regards
David
David Silver Spares LTD
www.davidsilverspares.co.uk
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Awesome thanks Ash (and David).
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quick comment about DSS ,
I ,like most of us ,use them alot,more than I want to,but always the service is great,
I am having a summer refurbish at present , so new air filter ,pads etc,
on removing the rear wheel, I found one brake shoe brake material was 60% unglued,so a quick call to DSS,and about 36hrs later
they arrived,
the part is PH316,
my comment is that the shoes need about an hours work to finish them,the cam end are to wide to fit on the cam,the pivot end ,again
is to wide to allow the fitting plate and split pin to fit,
just minor bug bares,but maybe if the casting is to tighter tolerances,
John
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John
Even brake shoes you have had to mod its not on they should fit.If it were me I would send them back and look elsewhere
Cheers
Bitsa
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OK lets get another list together and I can ask him a few questions at the same time. Think he is in the USA sometime this month.
Cheers .... AshD
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I had a similar problem with some cb550 aftermarket shoes from Wemoto. Dont think this is confined to dss..
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Any new on the repro kick start for the 400? Cheers Ash.
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Lets get a list together again.
Cheers ..Ash please add your questions to this post again.
cheers..Ash
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Why can i get HM 323 exhausts from Holland but not from DSS.
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What i was trying to say Oddjob is that CMS sell pattern ones made by the original supplier. So why is DSS doing these kind of deals.
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Graham, what is the price of the repro set from cmsnl? I can only see the pipes listed individually at €600 a pipe - so €2400 for a set?
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James, it is 1,694 euros + the vague addition to the total. And i think you will find that one of the pipes is 900 euro, so 2,700 a set
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I've posted this before - I really like this guy's presentation style so it deserves another airing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2W68pThPCc
You might say there's not a lot in these exhausts for the money...
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James, it is 1,694 euros + the vague addition to the total. And i think you will find that one of the pipes is 900 euro, so 2,700 a set
Jesus - so are the repros stamped as the originals or un stamped?
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Well they do not have the Honda stamps. They should of stamped them Copy Cat 323 ;). They are like the OEM ones.