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Other Stuff => Misc / Open => Topic started by: AshimotoK0 on May 08, 2015, 01:40:39 PM
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Fed up with all of the modern paint strippers.
Got me some Methylene Chloride and a bit of bedtime reading here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xf9to8u1n5t588b/PaintStripper.pdf?dl=0
Watch this space. I know the founder of 'Bartoline' factory round here, who make the worst example of non-efficient stripper I have come across... my wife bumped into him in the pub last night and told him about my cursing and swearing over the last few weeks regarding his product and he is going to investigate it but he's probably straight-jacketed by the EU bureaucrats and not allowed to use methylene chloride .. but 'not this boy' as I am going to make my own. Trouble is Meth. chloride on it's own is not good ... as the 'bedtime reading' above describes. Problem is the text is about as heavy going as the fumes from the methylene chloride :D
Without reading all of the bo**ocks in the link I am going to initially try mixing a really strong caustic soda paste with methylene chloride.
Ash
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Ash I was going to give this stuff ago Iv used there products before stripping all manor of coatings from different surfaces with good results.
http://www.stripperspaintremovers.com/
I think the one they would recommend was called Solvistrip.
Mick
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Christ Ash, one of these days your going to blow up and take out the entire neighbourhood. ;D ;D
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Bloody hell Ash
Chemist, spot welder guru,rubber softening stuff,
what else do you keep in your arsenal.
i'll stick to my bits of wood and resin.
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When I used paint stripper on some side panels it wrecked the plastic
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You ain't on your own with this one Ash,
I'm also a control freak and much prefer to carefully strip and de rust all of my own stuff.
If you can find an old shop with an even older man with a dirty brown coat, he might have some of the original Nitromors tucked away in the back with his supply of adult literature. I complained bitterly to our factors up here and told him that after application it just sits there an grins at you. He recommended Rustins Strypit. Bought some and it's also sh*te. Might as well p*ss on it for all the good it did. I would wager that more people died of heart attacks after ranting and raving about the EU interference than ever died from the effects of inhaling dichloromethane fumes. I'm 66 next month and have sprayed cellulose, 2 pack, zinc plated stuff, had garden bonfires, accidentally drank petrol on occasions when it was in the wrong place for immediate use. I just keep away from 'food' from the Golden Arches. Let us know what secret formula you end up using. Just what can the new, improved Nitromors be used for exactly? It's feck all use for paint removal.
Well that's all of my rants used up for this week.
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I got some stuff from my local car finish suppliers. The stuff was lethal and like Brian don't use it on plastic I ruined a Z650 tail price with it.
I thought it was fibre glass but unfortunately it was plastic.
Ever had to ware rubber gloves with the stuff, I would try your local shop first.
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That is so sad oddjob, makes you appreciate your own life and realise how lucky we are
pete
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Hell so sad plus one of ex-colleagues from 'Queenies' too Oddjob. My son works for Network Rail and in his previous role had to regularly go to meetings in London with the Samaritans to try to hammer out ways to reduce the ever increasing number of people taking their lives on the rail trackand also reducing the trauma for the unfortunate drivers and staff who have to deal with it. :(
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In the 70s, my brother worked on the railways. He told me about the blood and gore on the undersides of the engines from suicides. One engine in particular, a Western, had more than it's fair share of blood and guts. It was Western Queen and the fitters dubbed it Killer Queen
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With regards paint removal, get a electric hot air stripper, having removed 10 × 3 gallon bucketts worth of dried paint in our house during the rennovation I must have tried every method going, including blowtorch. I didn'have access to shot blasting sadly, shot blasting is undoubtedly king of paint removal, especially if the blastef has the right tooling and know how ( and blast media ) the chemical strippers on the markett are rubbish thanks to Eu regs. I am not sure how safe diy production of this stuff is or how legal.... I am pretty sure the electric paint stipping heat gun option is cheapest, and very effective, with abrasive grinder disks desighned for paint removal being also effective appart from on detail, flap disks in a drill also not bad.
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I used Nitromors in the eighties once and I say once because it was hideous. The fumes were unbearable, even outside. I wouldn't use it again unless I had a proper fume cupboard.
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LOL Ash, I never thought that 2 people I knew had committed suicide, you don't think it was me do you :)
It was this comment Oddjob or was it the same person?
“It's possible I did the PDI on that bike Stew, might even have been the one who test rode her.
Mechanic I used to work with at Queenies went working for the Honda shop, for some reason he committed suicide not long after. Never did find out why he did itâ€
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Well a few failures so far (using concentrated caustic soda/ Methylene Chloride (Di-chloromethane) but just 'reverse engineered' a paint stripper patent CA1236760 A1, which looks really promising and ordered the good stuff chemicals off eBay plus found 500g tub of caustic soda locally for 1.20 GBP.
Bentonite clay (found in Wyoming USA, where my CB350K1 happened to come from and major ingredient in Kitty Litter!)
Xanthan gum
Caustic soda (sodium hydroxide)
Evidently the trick it to get the caustic into a gel form, then I intend to possibly add methylene chloride to give it some extra 'kick'.
Will keep you posted on its effectiveness but determined to crack this !!
Ash
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I love reading about your experiments ash, i am sure you will crack this formula soon
pete
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Well I have tried allsorts. I have managed to make a paste up including caustic soda and the magic gum and Fullers Earth ( main ingredient of kitty litter) but it's not a patch on the old formula Nitromors.
However, looking at the legislation (see below) you can STILL buy stripper for removal of adhesives, which legally contains Methylene Chloride but it's illegal to sell it for use as paintstripper and illegal to use it for paint stripping by the end user. Ashimoto' known lawbreaker' has a litre of the stuff coming in the post ' to strip adhesive only' honest guvnor ;D
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I've cooincidentlly got some adhesive to strip too! Where did you source said product?
Tim
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At Leeds station will pm later as I don't want to get the guy who sold me it a bollocking
Home now PM sent
See other post with details
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Went to RUFFORTH autojumble yesterday and got 1 litre of this for 7 quid (5l tin was 25 quid). I tried it this morning and just seems like the old Nitromors to me. Within minutes of brushing it onto a Honda painted fork ear, the paint bubbled up just like the old stuff.
Bit more expensive here but worth spotting at autojumbles
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FINAL-SYSTEMS-HEAVY-DUTY-PAINT-VARNISH-STRIPPER-1-LTR-FOR-ALL-PAINT-TYPES-/330927872109
l also got the two part adhesive remover delivered this week, but not tried it out yet.
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I bough 5 litres of cellulose thinners at Kempton Park many years ago. I went with Eamon and he said "buy it while you can"
It's great for cleaning carbs.
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I bough 5 litres of cellulose thinners at Kempton Park many years ago. I went with Eamon and he said "buy it while you can"
It's great for cleaning carbs.
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Yes thinners was 5 quid yesterday at Rufforth Steve..which sounded like bargain to me.
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Went to RUFFORTH autojumble yesterday and got 1 litre of this for 7 quid (5l tin was 25 quid). I tried it this morning and just seems like the old Nitromors to me. Within minutes of brushing it onto a Honda painted fork ear, the paint bubbled up just like the old stuff.
Bit more expensive here but worth spotting at autojumbles
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FINAL-SYSTEMS-HEAVY-DUTY-PAINT-VARNISH-STRIPPER-1-LTR-FOR-ALL-PAINT-TYPES-/330927872109
l also got the two part adhesive remover delivered this week, but not tried it out yet.
Ash,
I said earlier in the post go to your local re finishing supplier I bought some they use in the trade and they will split it for you. The stuff is heavy duty you will need gloves as it burns if you splash it and a mask as it takes your breath away.
The tank I stripped had about five layers on it inc some high build primer it whipped this of no trouble. Only tip don't yes it on plastic parts as it WILL destroy them.
Regards
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UPDATE
The cost of the materials for the home-brew stripper worked out more than you can buy the 'restricted to industrial use only stuff' that you can buy freely buy at autojumbles , so I just went that route. The first product below was the best as it's like the original Nitromors. All the three listed contain the 'restricted for use' Dichloromethane but who cares selling at Autojumbles. Close your eyes Julie :)
The adhesive stripper 510 (3rd item down) is dual component and works great but it contains Formic acid and the parts rust really badly if you don't wash off every trace. ( see picture of mudguard attached)
BEST Paint stripper I found PAID £7 / litre at Rufforth Auto Jumble:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FINAL-SYSTEMS-HEAVY-DUTY-PAINT-VARNISH-STRIPPER-1-LTR-FOR-ALL-PAINT-TYPES-/330927872109?hash=item4d0cd6986d:g:yUoAAMXQwo9RnTpB
Cheapest I found PAID £20 for 5 litre tin at Newark Auto Jumble last week: Works but not tried out fully yet
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PAINT-STRIPPER-THICK-10-Litres-2-x-5L-Cans-/252219645631?hash=item3ab9765ebf:m:mL6GsEWfMYKHvgU91ZjlDEA
510 ADHESIVE REMOVER
Paid around £13 for 1 litre sample direct from the manufacturer inc postage; effective but corrodes afterwards very quickly (see picture of use on a painted mudguard)
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http://www.stripperspaintremovers.com/products.htm#G7 Scroll down to 510 Adhesive remover .. you can buy a 1 litre ‘ sample amount’
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Good info as always ash, thanks for sharing
pete