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CB500/550 / Re: CB550 Tuning Advice
« on: October 23, 2026, 04:14:20 PM »
All my posts refer to original bikes only and I don't do aftermarket parts unless they have proven good.
Both the hands at the handlebars at all times. No need for a steering damper and you will not have a tank slapper.
The rest is the usual revenge comment we got used to by now.
Can we expect footage of a CB500/550 idling nicely at 600 RPM of your hand soon or are you still finetuning? ;D

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CB500/550 / Re: Logic in CB500 model year and K figures?
« on: October 23, 2026, 12:45:38 PM »
[...] And do all K0 and K2 parts fit?
No, always check the parts list or CMSNL. There is also the 'area code' to observe or you may end up with the wrong cables for the US handlebars. CMSNL has this beautifull function that you - provided you're logged in - are offered a list of which models had the same part. Very convenient.
https://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cb500-four_model14343/
For things on the outside of the bike, here's an overview of what has changed in the looks: https://www.honda4fun.com/faq/generali/400-cb500-differenze-tra-k0-k1-e-k2
The CB500K2-A is not identical with the CB500K2-ED, -F, -G (at CMSNL known as CB500K2 GENERAL EXPORT)*.
The CB500K2-A was marketed in 1973 in US, CB500K2-ED, -F, -G was marketed on the European continent 1976-7.
* https://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cb500k2-general-export_model50441/partslist/?ac_section=model&ac_q=CB500K2

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CB500/550 / Re: Logic in CB500 model year and K figures?
« on: October 23, 2026, 12:00:20 PM »
It's because the Americans are stubbornly stupid.
1. Identify your model by comparing frame- and enginenumber to those listed in the first 4 pages of the CB500 Parts Lists. They are all here: https://www.honda4fun.com/materiale/documentazione-tecnica
2. Honda did not refer to their models in 'years'. It makes sense: a certain model could run in Europe for more consecutive years in sales.
3. That's unthinkable in the US. It's a different market. Marketing and advertisers like to dominate in years to create incentives, this by the old advertising law: AIDA (in: The Strategy of Desire by the American Ernst Dichter).
A stands for attention an advertiser needs to raise.
I = interest
D = desire
A = action (buy/order)
The market there is organised like a yearly fashion catwalk. Every year manufacturers are expected to bring  something new. Bigger plastic indicators is about the least they should offer.
Realise that the US is for 2/3 a consumer driven economy. So they need customers to droole like labradors. The people there want this themselves. They don't mind being bombarded 24/7 by advertising. They are itchy to spend. Like my teacher English explained us: where Europeans still breath, Americans have already ordered. A day not spend, is a day not lived. So most American wallets are empty at the end of the month and many live from paycheck to paycheck. They buy till the drop. This explains all those garage sales offering things they have hardly used ever (a sign of bulimia so to speak). Where Europeans mistrust advertisements ("I don't need this" and "Why does your product need advertising?"), Americans welcome them ("Hey, that sounds like a good idea").

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CB500/550 / Re: CB550 Tuning Advice
« on: October 23, 2026, 09:16:03 AM »
The 500/550 with those carbs need choke on to start but almost immediately back to half after starting and fully off fairly quickly, unless you are trying to ride in sub zero temperatures and i for one am too damned old for that!
The running now, indicates there's room for improvement.
I see a tube/some tubes (?) near the carbs and breather tube which I cannot identify. What is it/are they for?
Here some tips. Fuellines need to be 5,5mm ID and the length should be 18 and 30cm for the models with the oldstyle petcock and 17 and 28cm for the models that have the newer model petcock. Use the clamp for the fuelline that feeds carb 3 + 4 (see pic). The CB500/550s are very sensitive for correct dimensions and routing of the fuellines. No ups and downs and no extra socalled inline filters, this to avoid nasty surprises which you may encounter even weeks later, when you have already completely forgotten you ever fitted them and are scratching your head in wonder what's wrong! Don't ask me how I know.
Then, the correct starting procedure is well instructed in the Owner's Manual. I've nothing to add to that. Read it and follow it up. For these models it's normal, you need a somewhat raised idle for the first one or two km after you've put the chokelever fully down. Don't be tempted to ride with the lever halfway. The lever - not being in the view of the rider! - can make you forget about it. These models were developped with Honda's extreme care for ergonomics. Honda certainly did NOT want you to take your left hand from the handlebar to blindly trying to find and fiddle with the choke lever. Chokes should be fully reopened (lever fully down) before you begin your ride. As these models have a relatively rich idle - certainly in comparison to the later K3 models - a somewhat raised idle is enough for good driveability in the first 1 or 2 kms. So if you need to stop say at a traffic light, just keep the idle somewhat raised. If you would need the chokes partially applied riding the first stretch, it's clear indication the mixture is set too lean. Period. The models with PD carbs is another story. I won't go in to that here.
I'd doublecheck the ignition just to be sure: a correct timing at full advance is paramount. If it's not, don't fidlle with the plates, but first check the breakerpoints gap. Usually a little tweaking there can result in a correct timing. This under the bordercondition that breakerpoints gaps are within spec knowing 0,3-0,4mm or 24,5o-23o when measured by a dwellmeter set in the 8 cyl position).
Having the airscrews where you have them now, I'd (re)sinc at ~1200 RPM. If needed you can check the slow circuits of all four by individually turning the airscrew full in, wait 20 seconds and then open 3 turns, wait another 20 seconds. If you hear no change in RPM it's indication something is blocked in the slow circuit, usually a blocked slow jet. Mind you, in this test the change in RPM can be very, very little. That's good enough. If all slow circuits hve proven functional (clear), readjust the airscrew to where you had it before the check. Repeat the procedure for the next carb. An eventual tweaking of the mixture by the airscrews can be done later. For the synching it plays no role, provided the slow circuit is clear. I've substantiated this extensively here: https://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,32847.msg320078.html#msg320078
Success!

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CB500/550 / Re: CB550 Tuning Advice
« on: October 21, 2026, 08:57:16 PM »
Now bring the rpm down to say 1150 and then let us judge the sync.

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CB500/550 / Re: CB550 Tuning Advice
« on: October 21, 2026, 03:59:50 PM »
Just to make sure: when the little chokelever is horizontal the chokeflaps are down (to facilitate cold start), when the lever is vertical the chokeflaps are up (engine warmed up).

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CB500/550 / Re: CB550 Tuning Advice
« on: October 21, 2026, 12:52:19 PM »
[...]
Whose to say the next failure could well be the fuel tank cap seal.
Mine has been failing for the last 46 years. :o I don't mind and do not worry about blocked ventilation holes. During hibernation I put some plastic foil in between cap and tank to prevent evaporation.

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CB500/550 / Re: CB550 Tuning Advice
« on: October 20, 2026, 04:13:59 PM »
It's another advantage of my simple method for checking the fuel levels: by draining the bowls you'll detect any contaminants rightaway. http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,185754.msg2151647.html#msg2151647.

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CB500/550 / Re: CB550 Tuning Advice
« on: October 20, 2026, 10:51:03 AM »
In general: do not position an auxiliary tank much higher than the bike's own tank. This to prevent floatvalves opening and as a consequence carbs overflowing.

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CB500/550 / Re: CB550 Tuning Advice
« on: October 17, 2026, 05:05:03 PM »
Actually Honda went out of their way to make it as complicated as possible for owners to keep on top of their bikes. Massive amounts of special tools required according to them, vac gauges, dwell meters, are prime examples. They also tried to deceive owners by saying certain production marks were to be ignored when it fact they were the exact marks you needed to work out shell bearings. They wanted you to go to the dealers and spend more, they got more profit from servicing and parts  than they did from selling the bike in the first place. You learn all this when you go on training courses.
Gee, that's quite a statement. I don't think Honda ever had owners doing shell bearing jobs in mind, do you? Personally I can't blame Honda for that.
Original Honda seals and rings should be ok until they increase the ethanol content, when it goes above 10 then expect them to start failing quite quickly.
Where did you learn that?
I stick to science. https://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,206216.msg2333063.html#msg2333063
Recently I've changed from V-Power to Shell's E10 Fuelsave and I like it. I just add a small dose of Startron's Enzyme Fuel treatment: 14ml for every 10 liters. It's the favourite of yacht mechanics who service outboards which have long periods of inactivity.
I don't know what happened but gas mileage has improved a lot. My recent carb adjusting job may also have attributed.

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CB500/550 / Re: CB550 Tuning Advice
« on: October 17, 2026, 10:28:24 AM »
My bike is 50 years old now and the O-rings on the T-joints are still the originals. If you keep your carbs in a natural state - which is wet - they live forever. Honda did it really well. For a reason: the last thing Honda wanted was for mechanics to grumble about having to replace those O-rings—a task that required taking the carburetors apart— to then having to present their customers a hefty bill.

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CB500/550 / Re: CB550 Tuning Advice
« on: October 15, 2026, 08:15:13 AM »
Doesn't Nurse Julie has the right tube?

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CB500/550 / Re: New needles don't fit!
« on: October 12, 2026, 08:30:11 AM »
Another unnecessary thread. It's all in my overview, published here innumerous times.

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CB500/550 / Re: Battery charging issue
« on: October 05, 2026, 07:24:29 AM »
In general: 14,8 is OK for OEM and AGM batteries. Gel batteries loose warranty when charged over 14,35 V.

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CB500/550 / Re: First Start Highs and Low!
« on: October 04, 2026, 07:09:21 AM »
It’s well known if you leave the ignition on and the coils energised they are prone to burning out Ted. It’s not common as it requires some time to happen but it does happen now and then. Other than the leads they are almost indestructible.
Not only that. Provided breakerpoints gaps are set within specs, both coils are energised between 1,1 and 4,4 % of the time. So if you're unlucky, both coils will die, when bike is left with the ignition on. ;D

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