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Re: Lets build a SOHC for less than a grand
« Reply #105 on: January 12, 2020, 04:07:20 PM »
Trigger, Take a look at this site if you haven't seen it already. https://blacksquaremotorcycle.com/dual-disc-conversion/

He explains about mounting the second caliper with both the round and cut out hub designs.
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Re: Lets build a SOHC for less than a grand
« Reply #106 on: January 12, 2020, 04:35:27 PM »
Thats a very interesting article, might be worth putting in tricks and tips.
I know the "oval" did carry over into the US 550 K series for a while as i bought a few from Dave Silver, 750 hubs also perhaps Trigger knows when they changed.
When i did it it was with 500 front wheels which were deffinately of the "oval" of "flanged" type so the discs were symetrical.

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Re: Lets build a SOHC for less than a grand
« Reply #107 on: January 12, 2020, 04:43:33 PM »
Interesting.

Google Kyril Dambuleff.

I will ask him if we can reference his work.

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Re: Lets build a SOHC for less than a grand
« Reply #108 on: January 12, 2020, 07:08:11 PM »
Thank you for the link eight0. I had read it but, what I have found is there are so many different fork bottoms on the 550's and 750's that you should never assume yours will be the same.

I used a cut away early hub but, I could not understand the speedo drive for it. The one I have will not sit in the cut away and the drive would not go in to the ID of the disc.

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Re: Lets build a SOHC for less than a grand
« Reply #109 on: January 12, 2020, 07:17:00 PM »
And finally the disc centre hole  :o If you do the maths from the pictures, nothing adds up.


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Re: Lets build a SOHC for less than a grand
« Reply #110 on: January 12, 2020, 07:36:27 PM »
When I was trying to line everything up, I was doing one of the biggest mistakes as an engineer. I was reading loads of articles on how to do a double disc conversion and not taking in to account the two different hubs and all the different fork bottoms.
The article in Blacksquare said that you should have a 3mm gap on the top mount of the pivot. I was getting 2.564mm so, got a load of old fork bottoms out to compare and in the end I came up with 3 different gaps over 4 different fork bottoms.

3 hours later after a load of measuring from a datum line, I finally got it right  :o


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Re: Lets build a SOHC for less than a grand
« Reply #111 on: January 12, 2020, 08:25:18 PM »
When i get home next week Trigger i will measure the nos early drive i have, when i did mine i hotched out the inner hole in the disc carrier to make rectangular holes for the tangs, i could have ground the tangs to an ellipse shape instead.

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Re: Lets build a SOHC for less than a grand
« Reply #112 on: January 12, 2020, 09:57:11 PM »
As for the speedo drive thing, are you sure that's not an original drive with the prongs folded down? they were flat originally and used the chrome dish to secure them to the hub so it wouldn't fit inside the disc as it was never meant too.

The flat tabbed one is cupped and is in a picture on page 2 of this thread. I don't have another original to compare  ;)

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Re: Lets build a SOHC for less than a grand
« Reply #113 on: January 13, 2020, 07:05:47 PM »
As for the speedo drive thing, are you sure that's not an original drive with the prongs folded down? they were flat originally and used the chrome dish to secure them to the hub so it wouldn't fit inside the disc as it was never meant too.

At a closer inspection, you are right Oddjob. I can see a few ruff cut marks on the edge.

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Re: Lets build a SOHC for less than a grand
« Reply #114 on: January 13, 2020, 11:18:50 PM »
Started on the engine today. These cases have already been to the acid strippers. Had to do a alloy repair on the front mount first.
Then it was remove all the corrosion and chase all the threads. Fill all the threads with bolts and test the threads. The last thing you will want to be doing is taking a crank case apart to do a thread repair. It takes a bit of time but, always worth while as it will be the last bolt that you put in the crank case that will strip the thread.

After a good blow out with the air line , running bottle brushes down every oil way and then a wipe over with thinners. Get the oven up to 50c and heat cases for half an hour, heat up the paint in hot water, help the flow. One light coat and back in the oven for 10 minutes, a medium second coat and back in the oven for another 10 minutes. Then the third heavy coat and in the oven for 30 minutes. Leave in a heated room for 24 to 48 hours and then back in the oven at 200c for a hour and a half.


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Re: Lets build a SOHC for less than a grand
« Reply #115 on: January 14, 2020, 12:56:02 AM »
Trigger, is that an original period newspaper in the first pic?
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Re: Lets build a SOHC for less than a grand
« Reply #116 on: January 14, 2020, 08:10:36 AM »
Trigger, is that an original period newspaper in the first pic?
That will only just have been delivered where he lives  ;) ;D

Nice living out in the wild blue yonder  ;) At least I don't get my workshops and garage flooded  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Lets build a SOHC for less than a grand
« Reply #117 on: January 14, 2020, 10:35:27 AM »
Great thread Trigger, I'm really enjoying this build.  Will you be taking it to Crich?
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Re: Lets build a SOHC for less than a grand
« Reply #118 on: January 14, 2020, 07:39:14 PM »
Trigger, is that an original period newspaper in the first pic?
That will only just have been delivered where he lives  ;) ;D

Nice living out in the wild blue yonder  ;) At least I don't get my workshops and garage flooded  ;D ;D ;D
If mine got flooded the whole of your location would be under about 300ft of water  ;D ;D

Any sign of a biblical flood I'm heading your way Paul. I won't be taking the Guzzi though got a hernia trying to back it into your drive.  ;D
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Re: Lets build a SOHC for less than a grand
« Reply #119 on: January 14, 2020, 09:55:17 PM »
Great thread Trigger, I'm really enjoying this build.  Will you be taking it to Crich?

I don't know what I will be having for dinner tomorrow, never mind what bike I will be riding in 6 months time  ;)

 

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