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Re: CB500 runs lean and doesn't want to pull through
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2022, 03:42:50 PM »
What about the wasted spark Nigel, could he be referring to that spitting back on the open cylinder?
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Re: CB500 runs lean and doesn't want to pull through
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2022, 07:08:20 PM »
A few years ago I bought a nice condition CB550K3 from someone relatively local and it had a lean running problem. I made the point that I didn't know much about bikes & that it would have to be put in to a bike shop to be fixed.

In reality, I had a good idea where the problem was from the start & once home I pulled the carbs & replaced all four of the inlet manifold 'O' rings (part #14 on the fiche) as one was snapped & the other 3 didn't look in good enough condition. For what they cost it wasn't worth looking for cheap alternatives & having resolved the lean running it pulled in a similar way to the wife's CB550F2.

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Re: CB500 runs lean and doesn't want to pull through
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2022, 07:08:58 PM »
What about the wasted spark Nigel, could he be referring to that spitting back on the open cylinder?
I was thinking that through too Ken, but to me it reinforces that it's not ignition rather than causes doubt .

Taking the piston on power stroke, as it comes to bdc and looses any useful drive pressure the exhaust valve opens, then with piston coming up pushes spent gasses out past valve (wasted spark is arriving anywhere from static time to full advance on this stroke) but critically before the inlet opens. There's effectively no available fuel to ignite present, and so the spark is truly just wasted.  Bringing more ignition advance to this scenario just moves the spark further down the approach and further away from any inlet opening time, and so should have less effect not more if were present.

The same sequence ends, at TDC, with valve overlap but only after the spark has gone out. Increased overlap does bring compromise though (but not controlled by the spark) because the inlet tract is exposed to exhaust pulsing which with the right design of exhaust can aid cylinder filling. This is a dynamic situation though and with more overlap in the cam will have best performance at higher speeds, giving a classic "cammy" engine that fits-and-spats until that point (often around 4,500rpm) when the dynamics clean up the exit and entry to the cylinder and the motor takes off.

Honda made the cam timing to run clean at 10,000tpm but restricted the cam to best give a conservative wildness and make it run sweetly all the way down to very civilised tickover.  Quite a balancing trick to do in reality, with very basic design. I still think Honda were peerless in four stroke design during that period. 

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Re: CB500 runs lean and doesn't want to pull through
« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2022, 07:34:56 AM »
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Re: CB500 runs lean and doesn't want to pull through
« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2022, 08:23:10 AM »
Question for the OP,  have you changed the fuel tap, fuel lines or installed fuel line filters on the bike recently?  We've seen a few examples of restricted fuel flow that can do this in preventing the carburetor from refilling as it should and caused the bike to run lean, not go up into higher rpm.

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Re: CB500 runs lean and doesn't want to pull through
« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2022, 09:04:55 AM »
I have not changed the fuel line but the tank was very empty, filling it up with the fuel I had left in a jerrycan didn’t help unfortunately. There might also be something else that causes issues, the other day I did a test ride again and the bike just broke down. No electrical power whatsoever; turned out to be a melted wire at the electrical board. I bought a replacement wire harness and will install it soon. Could this have been a problem?
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Re: CB500 runs lean and doesn't want to pull through
« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2022, 09:46:42 AM »
Yes, the electrics need to be competent to let you judge it running. Ignition is the main draw when running, without having that in good condition you'll not know if it's contributing to the problem.

Old fuel will run (more problem starting it) but won't help you with looking for problems.

A matter of closing out these bits and then having another look to see where you are with it then. It's not far off, but fixing the obvious bits will lead you closer to getting it running well.

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Re: CB500 runs lean and doesn't want to pull through
« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2022, 05:24:17 PM »
Maybe no need to replace the complete wire harness, which may be quite a job. Something I've noticed in your picture; do clean the contacts on top of the solenoid (disconnect battery first). Verify the wiring of your bike is fused at all and... by the proper 15A (and not higher) one. When needed, consult wiring diagram.

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Re: CB500 runs lean and doesn't want to pull through
« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2022, 05:36:58 PM »
That wire has overheated due to the corrosion(green crap) at thr connector causing resistance which makes heat

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Re: CB500 runs lean and doesn't want to pull through
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2022, 07:13:48 PM »
So I replaced the wiring harness… and it definitely is a lot better, it doesn’t hold in above 5000rpm anymore so I guess the problem was the faulty wire.
Good comments on cleaning up the contact points as the corroded contacts where not only on the wiring harness side.

Anyway problem solved! Thanks for all the advice everyone!
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