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Re: Teds new project a CB500 K1 circa 1972.
« Reply #180 on: October 04, 2022, 05:30:01 PM »
Definitely Palin's / Honda. Spent too much time and money there in the 70's and 80's.

Minions were Suzuki for sure in the main. Probably some Yams and Kwaks too?

Always thought of Samways as bicycles / small mopeds etc?  Probably wrong... Their slogan was "Samways for the Highways". Isn't the mind a wonder (even in the degenerated state mine is in)
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Re: Teds new project a CB500 K1 circa 1972.
« Reply #181 on: October 04, 2022, 05:39:58 PM »
You're only as old as who you feel Tim ;)

leave it....... ;D
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Re: Teds new project a CB500 K1 circa 1972.
« Reply #182 on: October 04, 2022, 06:29:26 PM »
Definitely Palin's / Honda. Spent too much time and money there in the 70's and 80's.

Minions were Suzuki for sure in the main. Probably some Yams and Kwaks too?

Always thought of Samways as bicycles / small mopeds etc?  Probably wrong... Their slogan was "Samways for the Highways". Isn't the mind a wonder (even in the degenerated state mine is in)
I believe like car dealers most motor cycle dealerships in the 1960s were multi-franchise until later decades. I went to Samways for Triumph spares & Mackton Motors for Aerial when they were on Osmason Ted.

Google still shows Minions as Honda.
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Re: Teds new project a CB500 K1 circa 1972.
« Reply #183 on: October 06, 2022, 05:04:18 PM »
Yes Ken Palin's was on Osmason Road just above The Spot after they closed down it was a Thai Restaurant for many years.
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Re: Teds new project a CB500 K1 circa 1972.
« Reply #184 on: October 06, 2022, 05:14:55 PM »
I had real trouble on my 550 removing the taper roller bearings as there is no space to get a long drift to knock them out, the bearing is the same diameter as the housing. In the end i had a mate put a bead of weld around it and it just fell out. Same problem now with Lazarus.
I removed the top bearing race at the bottom of the column today. I was very lucky with there being a small gap between the shoulder of the inside of the frame and the bearing. I found a bit of metal ( steel part of magnetic kitchen door catch) I was able to insert the metal plate into the column so it was jamed on both sides in the gap. With a long drift I gave the plate a whack close to the edge. Two taps on opposite corners it came out undamaged. An NTN 30x50x14 taper bearing race.
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Re: Teds new project a CB500 K1 circa 1972.
« Reply #185 on: October 06, 2022, 06:29:12 PM »
I removed the top bearing race at the bottom of the column today. I was very lucky with there being a small gap between the shoulder of the inside of the frame and the bearing. I found a bit of metal ( steel part of magnetic kitchen door catch) I was able to insert the metal plate into the column so it was jamed on both sides in the gap. With a long drift I gave the plate a whack close to the edge. Two taps on opposite corners it came out undamaged. An NTN 30x50x14 taper bearing race.

A good result Ted !!

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Re: Teds new project a CB500 K1 circa 1972.
« Reply #186 on: October 06, 2022, 11:59:09 PM »
In the morning (Thursday) Brother-in-Law is removing the bottom steering column bearing with his puller/extractor - fingers crossed it comes out easily.
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Re: Teds new project a CB500 K1 circa 1972.
« Reply #187 on: October 07, 2022, 01:07:37 PM »
BiL visited and removed the bottom bearing from my headstock/column using what looked like a big clumsy puller - but it worked a treat!
It took longer to assemble the puller than to use it!

It was similar to the one in the link below - worked like a dream.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/403899872756
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Re: Teds new project a CB500 K1 circa 1972.
« Reply #188 on: October 07, 2022, 02:14:42 PM »
I just use a chisel and hit them upwards, never failed to work. Most times you’re doing this you binning the race to fit a new one so it doesn’t matter if it gets trashed but I did my taper rollers the other month and they’ll be going back on, no damage.
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Re: Teds new project a CB500 K1 circa 1972.
« Reply #189 on: October 07, 2022, 04:28:32 PM »
BiL commented on the slightly bent bump stop before we removed the bearing (rhs in photo).

Probably does not matter?




.bent bump stop by Macabe Thiele, on Flickr

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Re: Teds new project a CB500 K1 circa 1972.
« Reply #190 on: October 07, 2022, 06:02:21 PM »
As long as the bars don’t hit the tank it’ll be fine.

MOT failure (right Bryan?)

Oh. You don’t need an MOT


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Re: Teds new project a CB500 K1 circa 1972.
« Reply #191 on: October 07, 2022, 06:28:45 PM »
Looks like most of the ones i saw back when current and if it needed mot and hit yes it would fail but as Steve said it dont and it didnt

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Re: Teds new project a CB500 K1 circa 1972.
« Reply #192 on: October 07, 2022, 07:33:27 PM »
I even wondered if it was a poor casting as the ground sections are not identical.
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Re: Teds new project a CB500 K1 circa 1972.
« Reply #193 on: October 07, 2022, 07:49:36 PM »
My 500/4 had the same damage to the lock stop and it was found on an MOT (albeit many years after it became mine, and the umpteenth MOT at the same dealer).

It didn't fail because the bars didn't touch the tank, although I replaced it as a matter of course when I renewed the steering head bearings as the differences in available lock left and right proved an irritation after the issue was pointed out to me.

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Re: Teds new project a CB500 K1 circa 1972.
« Reply #194 on: October 07, 2022, 07:51:53 PM »
Are the 400 & 500 steering heads the same they look similar?
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