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Re: cb500 dead short
« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2023, 07:57:53 PM »
So was yours 2 or 3 terminal ?
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Re: cb500 dead short
« Reply #46 on: May 14, 2023, 07:04:19 AM »
3 terminal Ted
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Re: cb500 dead short
« Reply #47 on: May 14, 2023, 08:38:47 AM »
Not as easy to find the 3 terminal ones they are the earthed type.
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Re: cb500 dead short
« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2023, 09:42:17 AM »
Hopefully you've found the culprit Rich, does it all function with that relay removed in the interim ?

If so, well spotted Ted  :)

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Re: cb500 dead short
« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2023, 06:12:53 PM »
Yes everything fine, plug in relay and pop.
hope the new one works ok. I would have liked an original but can't find one.
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Re: cb500 dead short
« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2023, 07:54:24 PM »
New conundrum
New flasher relay fitted , fuse didn't blow,
Eureka.
Next problem the lights
Don't flash :'( any thoughts please.
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Re: cb500 dead short
« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2023, 11:27:23 PM »
As in the flasher button on the left hand switch doesn't flash the headlight Rich?

First thing to check if so, is the blue wire actually connected in the headlight?
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Re: cb500 dead short
« Reply #52 on: May 17, 2023, 06:50:00 AM »
Sorry  not sure what you mean.
Headlight is fine main and dip. . I don't have a headlight flash button .
Right indicator turns front and rear indicators but not flashing and left is the same .
I have tried another different unit and it's the same ?????
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Re: cb500 dead short
« Reply #53 on: May 17, 2023, 06:56:55 AM »
You should have said indicators don’t flash Rich not lights don’t flash.

Sounds like a bad earth, have you tried running a wire from the indicators to a good earth point?

A UK CB500 should have a headlight flasher Rich, is it an import?
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Re: cb500 dead short
« Reply #54 on: May 17, 2023, 07:16:24 AM »
Sorry just thought as I was talking about relay.
All 4 indicators are earthed , I'll try another new earth thanks .
Not an import it's a k1 from Steve admin.
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Re: cb500 dead short
« Reply #55 on: May 17, 2023, 08:42:00 AM »
Is the replacement relay just one with two terminals?
If it is you may need to reverse the connections as one way the flashing circuit does not operate.
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Re: cb500 dead short
« Reply #56 on: May 17, 2023, 12:50:03 PM »
3 terminal as previous one.
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Re: cb500 dead short
« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2023, 03:00:26 PM »
3 terminal as previous one.

Are you using conventional Tungsten bulbs of the correct wattage or LED's?
Is it an electronic flasher unit that works at a fixed rate irrespective of the bulb load?
Are the terminals marked differently - I suspect it might just back to front on the flashing circuit - leave the earth circuit as it is & try switching the terminals - for safety you can add a bulb type circuit test to remove any chance of blowing the flasher unit?

It will not flash if its a standard flasher unit with LED bulbs or if the bulb wattage is too low - sometimes you get a hyper fast flashing rate instead.
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Re: cb500 dead short
« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2023, 05:19:32 PM »
All the bulbs are as they were before the flasher unit started blowing the fuse. Obviously tracked the relay down as the culprit. and bought
a new relay (well 2 actually both different makes) .I have tried reversing the black and grey and same result with both relays.
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Re: cb500 dead short
« Reply #59 on: May 17, 2023, 05:42:27 PM »
This might sound basic but are you sure the flasher units are the correct ones for your total bulb wattage & designed for a negative earthed vehicle?

When I replaced the flasher unit in my 400 I could not find the ones with three terminals so fitted a two terminal unit.

I am thinking  that you might have the later car type flasher unit they will be marked with an earth designed for modern cars that are positive earth.


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