Bonhams Auction Stafford

[royhall]

Regarding the Bonhams Auctions Roy......I'd be more concerned at their Fees......

What bike from your lovely stable are you thinking of selling - as you might get a fair offer from a forum Member.....by the time Buyers and Sellers Fees have been factored in, you might not be any worse off selling privately.

Not selling anything at the moment Alan. We have been going to Stafford for years but have never bothered with the Bonham's auction. So it's a fact finding mission this year, were going for both days and stopping over. We just want to know if the auction is worth using after all the fees and not forgetting transporting bikes to Stafford. I highly doubt it will be worth it but you never know.

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[Seabeowner]

Someone sent me this from Car & Classic which surprised me:
https://www.carandclassic.com/auctions/1971-honda-cb-5004-nPP95n?bsft_aaid=a5ce63ed-6419-48b8-adb6-8692f74daf04&bsft_eid=0eb71092-f06a-4366-821c-eaf920e7faa5&utm_campaign=targeted-sell-motorcycle-21-04-23&utm_source=blueshift&utm_medium=email&utm_content=sell-saturday-email-22-04-23&bsft_clkid=41f418cb-640f-4077-9211-e17b1f6198ce&bsft_uid=7aa14b49-b967-44ce-a87f-fa192e89e8c4&bsft_mid=4776c13b-66e7-4075-84c8-5da46d9fe911&bsft_mime_type=html&bsft_ek=2023-04-21T07%3A31%3A40Z&bsft_lx=12&bsft_tv=18

I wasn't sure if the boxes still contained the new pipes or if they were the ones fitted to the bike and the boxes were empty. If it did indeed have an extra set of NOS pipes then that would have contributed around £2.5k to the action price IMHO.

Or less: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/175887108248

The pipes are wasted on that with the hotch potch of repro parts.

[Oddjob]

I wouldn't go that far. It looks standard, only a real expert would spot the differences. Doesn't make it a bad bike.

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

If it looks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck, Waddles like a Duck is it fair to say it's a Duck?

[Oddjob]

But does it think it's a duck, it might be a trans-duck, going from a duck to a goose.

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

A sort of Drake-Hen -Duckie.

[Bryanj]

But does it look like the correct duck!
Hoi sin

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[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

After a couple of hours at Gas Mark 4 it will be fine whatever gender it was.

[Bryanj]

Those pipes on the ebay link say 323 but are actualy 374 as they have all the verbiage on the back. And a righ mix of parts from 50/550 including k3 tank

[Seabeowner]

I wouldn't go that far. It looks standard, only a real expert would spot the differences. Doesn't make it a bad bike.

It's not a bad bike to most. But it sold be top dollar. And if repo parts are OK in so many instances then repo pipes would also be fine. Maybe punters were swayed by "Genuine Honda four-into-four exhausts"
I see someone snapped up the pipes.

[flatfour]

My friend sold a K6 via Bonhams at Stafford, a bike that previously belonged to me.

He was given a pre - sale estimate by their valuer, and hired a van to take it to the auction for the weekend.

Although a very smart and nice bike that was running and riding well, bidding slowed and ultimately stalled at well below the estimated value. At the time, he was strongly encouraged to accept the highest bid and in the end did so, having taken quite a hit in the process, even without factoring the cost of the auction charges, van hire and hotel.

I must point out that this was a good few years ago now and selling prices were well below those of today, the disappointing thing was though just how different the estimate was from the selling price.

[Oddjob]

Personally I think the repro pipes for the 500 are superior to the genuine Honda ones. Chrome is better, they are chromed front and back not just front like the originals. Fitment might not be as good but only an expert would spot the difference.

I'm betting the quality of metal is better as well

[AshimotoK0]

Personally I think the repro pipes for the 500 are superior to the genuine Honda ones. Chrome is better, they are chromed front and back not just front like the originals. Fitment might not be as good but only an expert would spot the difference.

I'm betting the quality of metal is better as well

Don't understand that comment Ken . Do you mean Genuine were not polished front and back ? ... hence duller finish on back . The complete exhaust assembly was chromed IMHO.

[Oddjob]

No, they were sort of painted a dull grey Ash, I remember using paint stripper back in the 80s to remove it so I could repaint it. The rear of the exhaust rusted quite badly compared to the front.

[AshimotoK0]

No, they were sort of painted a dull grey Ash, I remember using paint stripper back in the 80s to remove it so I could repaint it. The rear of the exhaust rusted quite badly compared to the front.

The  only paint I have ever seen is around the mounting studs and the joints on multi-cyl downpipes. I have genuine NOS pipes for all of my bikes and they are all chromed on the rear, admittedly with a finish on the rear which isn't highly polished and has a duller appearance