HM323 Update

[ST1100]

CMSNL is currently offering a replica muffler set for € 895,-, doesn't tell/show if double skinned
http://www.cmsnl.com/products/muffler-kitnon-oe-alternative_01800374707/#.VkzMiL8k1gs

Not included the bracket kit (€ 69,-)
http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cb500-four-k0-european-direct-sales_model14654/setcomp-bracket_01834323000/#.VkzM_78k1gs

[Johnwebley]

talk about deflation!!!

 from 1,694 last year

to 895  now

we can hope all the parts drop like this



  PS,
I just saw a squadron of Gloster old spot fly past !!!!


PPS,with dutch VAT its still dearer than DSS is reputed to be

[JamesH]

Get them while they last!!...

[AshimotoK0]

Bit confused what DS himself  told me about the 323's being the same as CMS because CMS are available and DS has rejected a batch and no firm date when available. Why would CMS have them correct and not him?  I was told by Mark at DS that they are being made along side the HM341's at the same factory. Anyone bought HM341's from DS and can confirm double skinned or not. BTW he has some  'seconds' sets for sale of the 341's available discounted. Just wish Yamiya would start doing 500/4 parts

[AshimotoK0]

well here's the answer to above on HM341's being double skinned   

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[hairygit]

Bit confused what DS himself  told me about the 323's being the same as CMS because CMS are available and DS has rejected a batch and no firm date when available. Why would CMS have them correct and not him?  I was told by Mark at DS that they are being made along side the HM341's at the same factory. Anyone bought HM341's from DS and can confirm double skinned or not. BTW he has some  'seconds' sets for sale of the 341's available discounted. Just wish Yamiya would start doing 500/4 parts

I seem to recall a member on here bought a set of pipes from cms, think it was royhall for his 350/4, and they were crap!. When he told them, they checked all the others in stock and they were as bad. Maybe D S. Is a lot fussier about quality control than cms.

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[royhall]

Wasn't just the CMS exhausts that were crap it was the whole production run including those at DSS and a German supplier. To Silvers credit he pulled the entire stock after he found out about the quality and doesn't sell them now (except for a few oddments that he's selling off).

[AshimotoK0]

I would still think that price is outrageous. And what if they are of the first serie, just 0,8 mm thin? I'd rather have the thicker replica's.

hmm, dunno...
The OEM were double-walled (pipe in pipe), the replicates not, hence a slightly higher operation noise and instant temperature discolouration of the downpipes...

I'd do like to know if the DS edition features double- or single walled downpipes though...

I re-asked the question and got this back:-

Mark (DSS)  is correct, the same factory is supplying the CB750K pipes and the CB500F. These will be the same ones that CMS are supplying but I haven’t seen them yet to comment on. I have been advised that they are same spec as O/E and am surprised to read from other members this is not the case. Once I have seen them I will be in a better position to advise on this.


 

[AshimotoK0]

I would still think that price is outrageous. And what if they are of the first serie, just 0,8 mm thin? I'd rather have the thicker replica's.

hmm, dunno...
The OEM were double-walled (pipe in pipe), the replicates not, hence a slightly higher operation noise and instant temperature discolouration of the downpipes...

I'd do like to know if the DS edition features double- or single walled downpipes though...

I re-asked the question and got this back:-

Mark (DSS)  is correct, the same factory is supplying the CB750K pipes and the CB500F. These will be the same ones that CMS are supplying but I haven’t seen them yet to comment on. I have been advised that they are same spec as O/E and am surprised to read from other members this is not the case. Once I have seen them I will be in a better position to advise on this.

Looked at the unchromed ones for sale from  'coastpath' on eBay (prototypes from CMS) and someone has asked this question. Dunno if anyone on here or not:

Questions from other members : Honda CB500 to K0' K1 & K2, exhaust set - new
   

Question & Answer   Answered On
Q:    Are they genuine honda silencers? Do you have the joining bolts/brackets for the top and bottom silencers on ea. side? Thanks Phil   23-Nov-15
A:    Hi Phil No they are repro. Bracketry/bolts etc can be purchased from cmsnl in Holland. I believe these may be produced by them anyway. They are exact copies of the original Honda mufflers with double skinned headers etc. I hope the info helps. Cheers James

[Nurse Julie]

I have just had a set from CSMNL delivered, now sitting in my conservatory. The stamps they have on them are ;- Federal emission info, CB500, then the locating mark, ie LL or IL and 323 but no HM stamp on them. They look very good.

[Chris400F]

I have just had a set from CSMNL delivered, now sitting in my conservatory.

I thought you were imminently moving house, in which case that will be another box for the shifter men to handle with great care!

The stamps they have on them are ;- Federal emission info, CB500, then the locating mark, ie LL or IL and 323 but no HM stamp on them. They look very good.

Is this another case where if 'HM' was stamped on the pipes it would be a case of IPR infringement, as with the Honda logo on the back of seat covers?

[Nurse Julie]

I have just had a set from CSMNL delivered, now sitting in my conservatory.

I thought you were imminently moving house, in which case that will be another box for the shifter men to handle with great care!

The stamps they have on them are ;- Federal emission info, CB500, then the locating mark, ie LL or IL and 323 but no HM stamp on them. They look very good.

Is this another case where if 'HM' was stamped on the pipes it would be a case of IPR infringement, as with the Honda logo on the back of seat covers?

I'm sure your right Chris about the 'HM' being an infringement, very sad if that is the case. I bet they will have 'HM' stamped on them for other countries.

And yes, your totally right, the move is next Tuesday. For one reason or another there are more new and used bike bits and associated paraphernalia coming through the front door than rubbish going out the back door. I will definitely need a bigger lorry !!! 

[deltarider]

I have just had a set from CSMNL delivered,

When do you expect to bolt them to your bike? Please, keep us informed.

[Nurse Julie]

I have just had a set from CSMNL delivered,

When do you expect to bolt them to your bike? Please, keep us informed.

It won't be anytime soon because of the move but I know someone else on the forum who will be fitting them possibly this week sometime. I will let you know how he get's on.

[JamesH]

Fingers crossed I should have a set fitted either this week or next week, other commitments permitting...will keep you all posted