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CB500 bolt sets?
« on: December 28, 2015, 06:20:26 PM »
Hi,

all the sets offered I can find are stainless Allen head bolts...

Anyone aware of a source for a standard galvanized, OEM like set, with the Philips, 8 & 10mm heads for top and bottom end?

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Re: CB500 bolt sets?
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2015, 08:13:48 PM »
Don't know of a specific set of JIS BZP screws but  the correct finish and close head form to original OEM Honda. Yamiya only do packs for CB750

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BZP-Philips-Screws-M3-M4-M5-M6-multi-listing-Honda-CG125-/321498496314
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Re: CB500 bolt sets?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2015, 08:51:22 PM »
LOL!  ;D
Damn', that shop is like a candy-store!  8)
Flange bolts, flange nuts, countersunk Philips... yumm...

Even a pre-sorted CB500 kit offered
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB500-Nut-Bolt-Screw-Stainless-MegaPack-/321414138066
In stainless and no details on the content though, but with Philips and hex bolts/heads pictured... tempting... another € 100,- though...

So what's the deal among hard-corers? A2 or BZP?

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Re: CB500 bolt sets?
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2015, 09:00:06 PM »
Well I prefer to stick to standard BZP JIS crossheads  but I am an old fuddy duddy  ;D ;D
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Re: CB500 bolt sets?
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2015, 10:47:02 PM »
Well, I concur...  ;)

In my experience is the OEM Honda zinc (as well as their black anodizing) highly durable and obviously superior over common hardware store items...
Any comments on the BZP quality from above shop?
(which I'm still wading in BTW... those M6 chrome flange bolts would look really nice on the clutch and alternator covers of a café...)

Seems I'll have to dig into the parts catalogue, list all engine/cover bolts and place a huge order of BZP bolts 'n nuts there...)
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Re: CB500 bolt sets?
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2015, 09:18:51 AM »
Quote from: ST1100 on December 28, 2015, 08:51:22 PM
LOL!  ;D
Damn', that shop is like a candy-store!  8)
Flange bolts, flange nuts, countersunk Philips... yumm...

Even a pre-sorted CB500 kit offered
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB500-Nut-Bolt-Screw-Stainless-MegaPack-/321414138066
In stainless and no details on the content though, but with Philips and hex bolts/heads pictured... tempting... another € 100,- though...

So what's the deal among hard-corers? A2 or BZP?
Has anybody used these Megapacks, they've been in my watch list for some time. This listing for the CB750 pack is a bit short on detail, is it for the entire bike or just the engine? The CB500 pack appears to be much more sorted, individual bags etc, where the 750 is just one big mixed bag.
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Re: CB500 bolt sets?
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2015, 09:32:23 AM »
Not sure Roy, I got mine from Yamiya as full sets. Plus the No 8 bolt set for K0 (not  strictly 'true' to the original  large 8 head but the best you are going to get other than NOS or replated.

http://www.yamiya750.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=158_283

The true Honda screws were not fully threaded and had a little dot imprint next to the cross on the head.
They are JIS  crosshead not true Phillips or Pozidrive.

Back 'in the day' all of the 5-Star Honda dealers used and sold 'T' handle JIS drivers made by Vessel in Japan. Used to have a set , sadly long gone.

http://ruggedroads.co.uk/JIS-Screwdriver-Set-Vessel-Megadora-P1-P2-and-P3


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vessel-B33-4-Screwdriver-Bit-Set-Phillips-1-4-JIS-ISO-4-Piece-/151913980078?hash=item235ec760ae:g:n2gAAOSwLzdWRH1a

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/philips-screwdriver-t-bar-vessel-no-3-phillips-japanese-made-/321950795893?hash=item4af5c34875:g:I1YAAOSwmrlUvOf2
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Re: CB500 bolt sets?
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2015, 11:58:23 AM »
Not sure how accurate they are but I bought a load of stuff from Custom Fasteners when I was rebuilding the F1 especially the Phillips stuff.
http://www.custom-fasteners.co.uk/PBSearch.asp

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Re: CB500 bolt sets?
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2015, 02:07:02 PM »
Quote from: AshimotoK0 on December 29, 2015, 09:32:23 AM
The true Honda screws were not fully threaded and had a little dot imprint next to the cross on the head.
Its that punch-mark which IDs them as a JIS bolt, well known "secret" among those who care  ;)
In our ISO dominated world unfortunately most workshops (and tool traders) don't...

When in distress one could compromise by grinding the tip off an ISO PH02 driver, place it on the screw-head and give the handle a firm punch with a mallet or plastic hammer, but by this you're already forging the former JIS screw-head into other shape...

Found a shop where one can order the Vessel JIS(+)02 and (+)03 (practically all you need) individually and reasonable priced:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181952169346?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D181952169346%26_rdc%3D1

Their well hidden in the depts of my w/shop drawer for obvious reasons...  ;)
Also my ISO PH01 driver is taking cover there, protected from further abuse by my buddy, notoriously working PH02 bolts on his z750 with it...  ::)

But I'm still not any further with zinc plated CB500K2 engine bolts...
I can get a JIS(+) engine cover bolt set (33 pieces) for a horrific price from Andy (will probably have to bite the sour apple there), but I'm still nowhere with the flange bolts for clutch and alternator cover or engine case...

Seems I'll have to create an Excel sheet from the parts catalogue and then either hunt each dimension/type/form down individually, or even order OEM at my nearby Honda stealer...
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Re: CB500 bolt sets?
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2015, 09:26:59 PM »
Hi Ash......try this chap......FAB Fastenings. He lives behind my house and when I was working on my CB750 a few weeks ago at the back of my garage he came over and introduced himself.......check out his Website - FAB Fastenings. He doesn't 'advertise' his Honda stuff as they threatened to take him to court for using their name on his Graphics, so a phone call or e mail my be useful.

I think he may be an sohc member but I don't know his moniker. Good luck.

http://www.sunrisegraphics.co.uk/page4.html
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Re: CB500 bolt sets?
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2015, 11:19:39 PM »
That's the chap that had a stall at our Cardiff VJMC show.  I bought quite a few fasteners from him.
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Re: CB500 bolt sets?
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2015, 12:40:35 PM »
OK, I've yet listed all visible/outside engine bolts incl P/N, description, dimensions and location into a spreadsheet, which I'll  combine with photos of the engine from various angles.
Still due are engine mounts, suspension/frame, upper/lower clamps and fenders.
From this I can work on what to obtain as pattern part in original look and what I'll have to actually order OEM.
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Re: CB500 bolt sets?
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2015, 01:50:19 PM »
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Re: CB500 bolt sets?
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2015, 06:14:42 PM »
Carfull Ash, I had one of those years ago and it had standard phillips bits
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Re: CB500 bolt sets?
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2015, 06:24:18 PM »
Quote from: Bryanj on December 30, 2015, 06:14:42 PM
Carfull Ash, I had one of those years ago and it had standard phillips bits

It's made by Vessel in Japan though... anyway cheap enough .

Arrived today. JIS crosshead bits &  look new ( the owner must have only used the flat blade one).. Bloomin bargain ...spotted 'cos someone on here asked about JIS
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