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SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB500/550 => Topic started by: Seabeowner on January 13, 2023, 08:56:10 AM
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Two to choose from:
1. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285107101667
2. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314320184907
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Red one seems to be replica made in India (?) - look at the picture showing bottom - welds around petcock entrace (by the way I think incorrect)...
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Same as Erny. Second item seems odd ! Is that 750 K6 paint scheme? On a 550 tank ? Or did they do that colour scheme.
Also in other products from same seller, the same tank, photos and all is listed as aluminium tank and cost is £100 more, something peculiar there definitely.
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500 tank looks to be in Starlight Gold, K0 colour only. Same colour as mine on a K1 and personally I prefer it to the Candy Gold Custom of the K1. That's worth the money.
550 tank looks to be a 750 one to me, wrong petrol cap as well.
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Gold one cheap and gone, red one repop US 550
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Red one seems to be replica made in India (?) - look at the picture showing bottom - welds around petcock entrace (by the way I think incorrect)...
Are those Indian tanks any good?
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Not sure but the welder clearly didnt have his specs on, that's awful round the fuel tap!
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Not a 750 tank, wrong shape and offset fuel filler. I bought an Indian tank for a British bike a few years ago and it was extremely well made and fitted perfectly, plus the welds were a work of art. It was also made of thicker steel which is never a bad thing with the state of petrol these days. It was cheap as well at less than £100, but it was unpainted plain steel which was what I wanted.
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1.Thought the first one would go as I'd have bought it if I was looking for one before posting here. Bargain.
2. Would be a bargain if they sort one or two details as it includes delivery, but in reality not a bargain as there will be duty to be paid.
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After a few minutes studying the 500 tank and side panels I decided to buy it. Cost of a respray for my current tank and panels is around £350-400. Plus there is a petrol tap on it, side panel and tank badges as well. Tank badges can go for £40-50 a pair and side panel ones around the same. Then the tank itself is worth £200 or so. So all in all a good deal.
I’ll be removing the tank cap and latch to replace with new ones and fitting some chrome trim around the edges.
TBH it was the colour that made me buy it, Starlight Gold is what I intended to have my 2 spare tanks done in so it saves me the bother of having them done right now.
I’ll see what the paintwork looks like in the flesh when it arrives, it looks fine in the pics but it might not be when seen up close.
Glad to hear you weren’t going to buy it Seabeowner as I felt a little guilty jumping in like that but I suspected it would go quickly and I thought asking you if you were going to buy it beforehand may mean we both missed out.
Got an idea on how to renovate the old petrol cap, they do seem to be prone to having the chrome go all spotty. Got a couple of old ones I can take apart to see how they can be repaired.
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Wel done Ken, you did well.
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I was hovering over buying that 500 tank but I couldn't determine whether it had slight 'tiger-striping' or not. I reckon that it was probably just the lighting/photo but Ken must have bought it and made the decision for me ;D. Well done mate I reckon it was a bit of a bargain, even if the paint doesn't turn out to be perfect.
Interesting the way the painter didn't candy gold coat the corner underside 'ledge' under tank seam ...not that it matters much. Of course, Honda applied minimal paint on the underside of their tanks anyway.
Does anyone know a source of 'Starlight Gold' paint, other than RS Bikepaints? I just got my mates CB250K4 in 'Gentle Maroon Metallic Custom' matched locally from a NOS side panel ..... it cost less than £30 for 1 litre, when mixed, of paint .... RSBikepaints charge £117.50 plus around £10 delivery. I was sceptical but I sprayed a panel with it yesterday and it's an almost perfect match for the NOS panel.
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Does anyone list the RAL number for the Honda colours?
If you have that anyone can mix the paint to match?
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Does anyone list the RAL number for the Honda colours?
If you have that anyone can mix the paint to match?
RAL is just a colour chart. Most Honda paint is a build up of layers to get the correct colour starting with a base coat. The only paint code that honda still use is NH-1 Black. ;)
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RS paints use Lechler paint, my local paint shop told me any Lechler supplier should be able to make up anything RS can supply. He was
struggling to make up Antares red for me until i said RS can make it up. Onto the computer and job done and far cheaper than RS.
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I always spray the undersides of my tanks with Zinc182, if the paint is visible I overspray it satin black. I do this with every part I feel isn’t protected properly, insides of fork ears including the back of the ear itself, inside of handlebars, underside of rear mudguard etc. I’ve found doing this has extended the life of these parts. Cost of parts these days you need to ensure they last as long as possible. I intend to try and do the inside of the swinging arm this time, picked one up the other day and you could hear rust rattling around inside it, cleared the air holes at the back and the amount of rust particles that came out was amazing.
On my last set of exhausts I did the reverse side of them as that’s where the rust starts, found 2 of them in the shed last year, been there for over 40 years, in a damp environment as well, cleaned off the zinc spray and the metal was perfect underneath. They are still in excellent condition and I may end up selling them on eBay.
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Does anyone list the RAL number for the Honda colours?
If you have that anyone can mix the paint to match?
RAL is just a colour chart. Most Honda paint is a build up of layers to get the correct colour starting with a base coat. The only paint code that honda still use is NH-1 Black. ;)
Yes RAL is just a colour chart - it's a good starting point in terms of reproducing any given colour. Reflectance, refractance, pigment quality. molecular chain length, colour fastness, metal flake sizes, gloss,silk etc paint medium used then of course the banning of Lead Chromate based pigments in many applications make paint manufacturing complex - not to mention water base v cellulose solvents.
Back in the 1960's following the widespread use of metallic paints in the automotive industry many repairers had problems matching colours in paint shops - as you say Graham layered application was one aspect. Two different painters could come out with two different finshed colours using the same paint & equipment.
An important aspect in reproducing colours on an industrial scale is the way that the component pigments are now consistently manufactured - the use of robotic spray booths has improved the end product no end.
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https://www.ralcolorchart.com/ral-classic#:~:text=The%20RAL%20Classic%20colors%20have,3%20digits%20are%20chosen%20sequentially.
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RS paints use Lechler paint, my local paint shop told me any Lechler supplier should be able to make up anything RS can supply. He was
struggling to make up Antares red for me until i said RS can make it up. Onto the computer and job done and far cheaper than RS.
Did they match it from the Honda name? Who was your local supplier ? ... worth knowing about. I know that all of the UK based painters I have used have never used RS because it's simply too expensive for them to make a decent profit. Their paint is Lechler but the clear isn't. Buggers tried to sell me basecoat for Honda Scarlet solid colour ?? at £21 for a 400ml aerosol .. when I quizzed them it's just white primer. I mixed my own paint in the end with 50% RAL signal red and 50% Kawasaki Vivo Red and it's a perfect match to what they sell.
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When i went to RS in Bradford, the father was running it and it was solvent based paints, they could not tell the difference between the two golds so was not impressed
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RS paints use Lechler paint, my local paint shop told me any Lechler supplier should be able to make up anything RS can supply. He was
struggling to make up Antares red for me until i said RS can make it up. Onto the computer and job done and far cheaper than RS.
Did they match it from the Honda name? Who was your local supplier ? ... worth knowing about. I know that all of the UK based painters I have used have never used RS because it's simply too expensive for them to make a decent profit. Their paint is Lechler but the clear isn't. Buggers tried to sell me basecoat for Honda Scarlet solid colour ?? at £21 for a 400ml aerosol .. when I quizzed them it's just white primer. I mixed my own paint in the end with 50% RAL signal red and 50% Kawasaki Vivo Red and it's a perfect match to what they sell.
I had told them the Honada paint name and given them the old paint code and they were unable to find anything from either of them and we had got down to looking at paint chips. It was only when i mentioned that RS did it was when he told me they use Lechler the same as them and trom there on it was no problem and spray cans were filled, They are only a small place and have a fb page. https://www.facebook.com/autopaintnorthern/
AutoPaint Northern Phone: 01924 410125 4B Union Rd, Liversedge WF15 7HW
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RS paints use Lechler paint, my local paint shop told me any Lechler supplier should be able to make up anything RS can supply. He was
struggling to make up Antares red for me until i said RS can make it up. Onto the computer and job done and far cheaper than RS.
Did they match it from the Honda name? Who was your local supplier ? ... worth knowing about. I know that all of the UK based painters I have used have never used RS because it's simply too expensive for them to make a decent profit. Their paint is Lechler but the clear isn't. Buggers tried to sell me basecoat for Honda Scarlet solid colour ?? at £21 for a 400ml aerosol .. when I quizzed them it's just white primer. I mixed my own paint in the end with 50% RAL signal red and 50% Kawasaki Vivo Red and it's a perfect match to what they sell.
I had told them the Honada paint name and given them the old paint code and they were unable to find anything from either of them and we had got down to looking at paint chips. It was only when i mentioned that RS did it was when he told me they use Lechler the same as them and trom there on it was no problem and spray cans were filled, They are only a small place and have a fb page. https://www.facebook.com/autopaintnorthern/
AutoPaint Northern Phone: 01924 410125 4B Union Rd, Liversedge WF15 7HW
Hmm this is what I got back re asking about Candy Starlight Gold.
Re: Honda Motorcycle paint
Inbox
Timothy O'reilly <autopaintnorthern@aol.co.uk>
09:38 (3 hours ago)
to me
Hi Ashley,
Sorry Ashley we don't have a formulation for this colour.
I would suggest you buy from RS if they have a formulation for the colour!
Regards,
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Ashley Derrick
To: autopaintnorthern@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 8:47
Subject: Honda Motorcycle paint
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RS paints use Lechler paint, my local paint shop told me any Lechler supplier should be able to make up anything RS can supply. He was
struggling to make up Antares red for me until i said RS can make it up. Onto the computer and job done and far cheaper than RS.
Did they match it from the Honda name? Who was your local supplier ? ... worth knowing about. I know that all of the UK based painters I have used have never used RS because it's simply too expensive for them to make a decent profit. Their paint is Lechler but the clear isn't. Buggers tried to sell me basecoat for Honda Scarlet solid colour ?? at £21 for a 400ml aerosol .. when I quizzed them it's just white primer. I mixed my own paint in the end with 50% RAL signal red and 50% Kawasaki Vivo Red and it's a perfect match to what they sell.
I had told them the Honada paint name and given them the old paint code and they were unable to find anything from either of them and we had got down to looking at paint chips. It was only when i mentioned that RS did it was when he told me they use Lechler the same as them and trom there on it was no problem and spray cans were filled, They are only a small place and have a fb page. https://www.facebook.com/autopaintnorthern/
AutoPaint Northern Phone: 01924 410125 4B Union Rd, Liversedge WF15 7HW
Hmm this is what I got back re asking about Candy Starlight Gold.
Re: Honda Motorcycle paint
Inbox
Timothy O'reilly <autopaintnorthern@aol.co.uk>
09:38 (3 hours ago)
to me
Hi Ashley,
Sorry Ashley we don't have a formulation for this colour.
I would suggest you buy from RS if they have a formulation for the colour!
Regards,
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Ashley Derrick
To: autopaintnorthern@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 8:47
Subject: Honda Motorcycle paint
Helpful. Not. I got a totally different reaction from them, unless its was just the fact I was there leaning on the counter.
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Tank and panels arrived today. Starlight Gold as I expected. Bad news, one side panel badge has a lug snapped off, it's also got a copy side panel badge as the gold F in the middle isn't the right colour. As it happens I have quite a few of those lying about, simple fix. The panels themselves were perfect, ones a genuine panel and the other is a replica, replica is a lot heavier. Paint is fine, no scratches at all, tank is also scratch free, no dents, not the most perfect spray job I've even seen, you can see small areas where the flake is heavier, it may just need a good polish. Inside of the tank isn't fantastic TBH, not bad but small rust patches, rubber on tank cap is perished but I have a few of those spare and I'll swap the cap for a new one anyway, as I will the catch. Badges seem ok, petrol tap needs a good clean.
Fairly sure I'll use it unless I get one of the other tanks done beforehand.
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Back at half the price:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314320184907
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Back at half the price:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314320184907
The last tank I bought from India (a while ago) wasn't very good. All mounting brackets etc were in the wrong place. Be interested to know if these Honda ones are actually any good.....