Post by: rosco on July 27, 2019, 12:57:01 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 27, 2019, 01:26:14 PM
Post by: Moorey on July 27, 2019, 02:33:51 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 27, 2019, 02:50:45 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 27, 2019, 03:04:00 PM
Post by: Moorey on July 27, 2019, 03:10:21 PM
Bloody weird....I have just looked at my CB400/4 (standard closed end swing arm) and my nut is on the sprocket side but, I can still get my spindle out as I have a standard exhaust system fitted and there is enough clearance over the silencer to pull the spindle out with the exhaust still fitted. My shocks are also standard length, anything shorter than standard, I don't think there would be enough clearance to pull the spindle through.
The parts list shows the early swing arm with open ends with the footrest brackets on I can't find later ones I guess they must have gone to closed ends then. Makes sense though to put the nut at the brake side as it keeps all the chain crap off it if you ever need to remove the wheel at the side of the road.
My 350 has open ends but then it's a very early 350
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 27, 2019, 03:11:10 PM
Post by: rosco on July 27, 2019, 03:38:53 PM
Post by: Moorey on July 27, 2019, 03:44:42 PM
Scrap that..my 400 does have an open end swing arm 🙄🙄🙄🙄 So, it doesn't matter which way the spindle goes in. (I was looking at the wrong bike 🤣🤣🤣🤣)
Shud av gone to spec savers. ;D
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 27, 2019, 03:52:35 PM
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Post by: hairygit on July 27, 2019, 06:31:20 PM
Not so sure that's a good idea!Scrap that..my 400 does have an open end swing armSo, it doesn't matter which way the spindle goes in. (I was looking at the wrong bike 🤣🤣🤣🤣)
Shud av gone to spec savers. ;D
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Post by: TrickyMicky on July 27, 2019, 06:37:33 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 27, 2019, 06:57:09 PM
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Not so sure that's a good idea!Scrap that..my 400 does have an open end swing arm
Shud av gone to spec savers. ;D
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Post by: Nurse Julie on July 27, 2019, 07:02:32 PM
For what it's worth, I have 400 with fixed rear footrests, closed ends swinging arm. Nut is on RH (brake) side, when assembling, push spindle through from sprocket side and when enough thread is showing start turning nut and use this to pull rest of spindle through. On the spindle I am using at the sprocket end it has a hole whereby you can use a small tommy bar/screwdriver to hold the spindle while you tighten the nut, would not be able to use this if it was at brake end. Little bit of care needed when inserting split pin into castrated wheel nut. Sorry Julie, but speaking as one who made an absolute pig's breakfast once of trying to fit shox that were too long, that's when everything fouls up. Always carefully measure between fixing centres of shox before trying to fit, can't give proper measurement at moment, as it's absolutely precipitating down outside, and the pizza and beer are ready. Regards, Michael.Agree Michael. My shocks are spot on the original length so everything is sitting where it should be as far as levels and clearances are concerned. But, although I can see its very easy to insert spindle from the nearside, making the nut on the off side by the brake, I cant see how this is possible with the silencer in the way, if a standard exhaust system is fitted, there us just not enough clearance available 🤔🤔🤔
Post by: rosco on July 27, 2019, 07:11:26 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 27, 2019, 07:15:27 PM
Just found in Haynes manual page 97 section 7-1 It states Pull out the spindle with the drive side adjuster and spacer As Trickymicky states would make it difficult fitting a tommy bar to assist removalYes Ross, it does say that, it also says that's for the CB500 closed fork ends 🤔
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 27, 2019, 07:30:37 PM
Even David Silver puts it in same way as me 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by: rosco on July 27, 2019, 07:48:32 PM
Post by: mike the bike on July 27, 2019, 07:56:13 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 27, 2019, 08:33:08 PM
So you can still insert a tommy bar without fouling the exhaust?? Or was the wheel fitted then the exhaustNot sure you have the correct spindle for a 400/4 then. If you look at my photos, you can see the spindle is a fixed nut on the end. You don't need a tommy bar or screwdriver to put in a hole, as there is no hole. It sounds like you have a 550/750 style spindle with the big round chrome end on it and not the nut end like mine.
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 27, 2019, 08:41:41 PM
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Post by: rosco on July 27, 2019, 09:24:23 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 27, 2019, 09:51:18 PM
Who's right and Who's wrong That is the question??? lol TrickyMicky has an early 400 with footrests on the arm and his spindle is the same as mine His arm are closed ends Mine are open end So maybe i have the early style spindle with later style arm !!!!! Parts catalogue shows both type arms but only one type spindle?Don't know why ??Just been looking in to this Ross. Both you and I have F2's which have the open ended swing arm, which we both have. Up to VIN number 1065686 (so a lot earlier than ours) they had the spindle with the big chrome end on, with the hole, which is the one you have I assume. This style was a hangover from the CB350/4's of earlier years. After the above VIN, they fitted the fixed bolt type, like I have fitted on mine and what you should have fitted on yours. Why Michael has a closed end swing arm, I have no idea as all 400's were manufactured with the open end type, again, a hangover from the CB350/4. I'm sure it makes no odds which is fitted really as long as it does the job.
Post by: Moorey on July 27, 2019, 09:58:00 PM
Not so sure that's a good idea!Scrap that..my 400 does have an open end swing arm
Shud av gone to spec savers. ;D
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Good one.
Post by: rosco on July 27, 2019, 10:02:19 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 27, 2019, 10:04:38 PM
Post by: TrickyMicky on July 28, 2019, 09:39:05 AM
Post by: TrickyMicky on July 28, 2019, 09:44:28 AM
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 28, 2019, 09:52:53 AM
Oh Yeh, just one more thing, when purchasing a hydraulic bike lift, temper one's enthusiasm and measure the length of the platform first!!!!! As you can see, rear wheel fitting gets very interesting, hence the need for our beloved NHS!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 28, 2019, 09:58:15 AM
Edit....had to look it up 🙄🙄🙄 1976 model year went to frame mounted foot pegs but was still in the early colours, ie Light Ruby Red and Varnish blue. Also had a locking fuel cap fitted from 76. So still an F model....not the F1 model.
Post by: rosco on July 28, 2019, 10:39:51 AM
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 28, 2019, 10:51:01 AM
Just had a look at DSS and they list two types The type i have (chrome end for tommy bar ) is for the F & F1 The long bolt type Julie has is the correct type / style for the F2 Although the parts manual lists this as fitting F & F2 So i guess they are interchangeable as the bearings are the same for both RossI wonder if both types are the same length overall Ross? Would be interesting to know just out of curiosity really. But, as you say, they both fit and do the job and that's all that matters.
Post by: rosco on July 28, 2019, 11:20:41 AM
Post by: taysidedragon on July 28, 2019, 12:03:52 PM
If you look in the Honda manual it shows the nut on the sprocket side . If the swing arm has open fork ends then it makes no difference which way the spindle is in as it doesn't have to be removed to take the rear wheel out.
Mooney is quite right. I'm sure the Clymer manual clearly says that on the 400f you remove and replace the whole rear wheel assembly without needing to remove the spindle and adjusters.
Post by: rosco on July 28, 2019, 01:25:17 PM
Post by: TrickyMicky on July 28, 2019, 01:28:15 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 28, 2019, 04:08:26 PM
Picking my words carefully My rear wheel spindle measures from under the head a tad over 10.1/2 inches Approx Just under 27cmMy type measures about the same Ross. Got the measurement as close as I could but, difficult as its.fitted to the bike and i dont fancy taking it out today 😊😊😊
Post by: Moorey on July 28, 2019, 04:21:46 PM
Absolutely right TSD But the original question was which side the nut should be Sprocket or Brake And assuming theres room it won't matter which way its fitted The spindle type i have is with chrome end with use of tommy bar and wrong for the F2( although fits ) The F2 should be a long bolt type and seems Nut side to sprocket There is confusion within the parts book showing nut to sprocket and service manual showing nut to brake?? As i have no idea what the previous owner has done Just asking for clarification of nut position
The Honda service manual shows the nut sprocket side. 3 pages on which side to put a nut. Gotta smile. G ;Dood to tell its raining. By the way my 350 spindle has tommy bar end and I have the nut on the brake side because I am a rebel. ;D
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 28, 2019, 04:27:17 PM
Haha Chris, very true, must be the weather. But, saying that, its always interesting listening, learning or being reminded of something, it keeps the old grey matter buzzing and saves me doing housework 😊Absolutely right TSD But the original question was which side the nut should be Sprocket or Brake And assuming theres room it won't matter which way its fitted The spindle type i have is with chrome end with use of tommy bar and wrong for the F2( although fits ) The F2 should be a long bolt type and seems Nut side to sprocket There is confusion within the parts book showing nut to sprocket and service manual showing nut to brake?? As i have no idea what the previous owner has done Just asking for clarification of nut position
The Honda service manual shows the nut sprocket side. 3 pages on which side to put a nut. Gotta smile. G ;Dood to tell its raining. By the way my 350 spindle has tommy bar end and I have the nut on the brake side because I am a rebel. ;D