Post by: Pops400 on January 24, 2016, 08:18:30 PM
I knew it was a basket case, but in the cold light of day... Holy crap, this is in a bad way.
First step, pull everything to bits, bag everything up and label the leccy on the way, see what is salvageable or saleable. Bugger all budget to do it, so a lot of elbow grease and pulling favours from various people I know will be going on.
Today, took the Girl with me, as she is excited as hell about it. She loved the tea breaks, anyway. ;D
A quick overview of all the issues...
The beginning[attachimg=1]
All that remains attached of the seat base...[attachimg=2]
To be fair, a few blobs of weld might sort it... on second thoughts, off to the tip with the original seat. Nothing is saving that.[attachimg=3]
Casings are all in a shocking mix of brush paint, pitting and grime. [attachimg=4]
Post by: Pops400 on January 24, 2016, 08:33:51 PM
Downpipes look salvageable. I will probably wrap these in black header wrap to keep costs down. Silencer hasn't faired so well and is toast.[attachimg=2]
Front mudguard is rusty & bent. (You can see that's a bend where it got ridden off with a u lock through the front wheel!) I have sourced a replacement, but may go for a stubby anyway. Not yet fully decided on the front end yet.[attachimg=3][attachimg=4]
Tank needs a real going over, but nothing that can't be saved and given a new lease of life.[attachimg=5]
Post by: Pops400 on January 24, 2016, 08:45:30 PM
Back at the other end, removed the one shiny bit of the whole machine! So naturally, it came off and will be sold as it doesn't fit with the plan. Looks to have been replaced since the bike left my Dad. [attachimg=2][attachimg=3]
Buoyed by something that came off easy and looked shiny, we had a tea-break. ;D [attachimg=4][attachimg=5]
Post by: Pops400 on January 24, 2016, 08:55:24 PM
Couple more shots showing the extent of the project. Will keep it updated if any interest the build. Just a gentle start and getting to know it for now.[attachimg=1]
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Post by: wolfheze on January 24, 2016, 08:58:37 PM
Post by: Pops400 on January 24, 2016, 10:17:50 PM
Post by: Bryanj on January 25, 2016, 07:05:21 AM
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Post by: AshimotoK0 on January 25, 2016, 08:09:23 AM
Post by: Spitfire on January 25, 2016, 08:56:35 AM
Cheers
Dennis
Post by: Orcade-Ian on January 25, 2016, 10:59:29 AM
I'm sure you will make it live to fight another day, there's a great wealth of knowledge on here and I would like to donate something to your project in memory of your Dad. I have a scruffy side panel or two knocking around. PM me and I'll fire them off to you. I'm still collecting odds and ends for my Dads 1953 BSA Golden Flash Plunger.
Nice reg number on it too, I think NCW was Burnley, Lancs or thereabouts, still on the system too and SHOULD be tax exempt from April 2017 providing the date keeps rolling - there's a target to aim for!
Ian
Post by: Chris400F on January 25, 2016, 01:25:06 PM
I wouldn't be worrying about originality either given the history of the bike. One more SOHC saved from the scrap heap is good by me.
Great gesture from Orcadian. Just shows the great people we have on here.
Post by: mike the bike on January 25, 2016, 01:40:32 PM
Post by: Drew400 on January 25, 2016, 05:10:07 PM
Count me in. I have a few bits left over from my 400 rebuild that you're welcome to if/when needed.
I learned loads from the kind souls on this forum that helped me progress and/or saved me a few bob. If I can repay the benefit received through helping your progress, that would be great.
Please keep posting your questions and your photo progress reports.
Best wishes to you both on your project,
D.
Post by: Pops400 on January 25, 2016, 07:50:56 PM
Hello Pops (is that what we call you?) and daughter,
You can call me anything you like, as long as it's not late for me tea. ;D
Pop is fine, I've been called far worse. ;)
Just finished for the day and got chance to reply and I'm genuinely blown away by the kind words and offers. Not expected and very kind to someone you guys don't even know. Thank you.
Ian / Drew, thanks particularly for the offers, any and all help gratefully received. The plan this far was to strip back to save funds and ditch what isn't necessary, so hoping I won't need too much in the way of replacement bits, but I've no doubt a lot of this bike is missing or past saving, so still formulating a final plan. I will post up what's happening as it happens and what bits I know I need and hopefully some deals will be available. Ian, will PM re the side panels, thank you.
Ash and those who mentioned my helper, yes I'm lucky, she is a petrol head like her old man and loves to help me (so far). She is very much a part of the project and gets my attachment to it completely. I hope when I'm gone, she will keep this in the family.
Currently, my biggest problem is looking like the front end. Forks and yokes may be beyond repair, so considering options there.
I will keep the thread updated regularly.
Instant problem with my cafe racer idea is that Little Miss has now made me promise it will be a two seater so she can come on the back. :D
Post by: yozzer74 on January 25, 2016, 08:03:05 PM
Post by: yozzer74 on January 25, 2016, 08:05:02 PM
Post by: Pops400 on January 25, 2016, 08:09:08 PM
I had considered a removable hump, but internet searches didn't turn up anything I was happy with.
I like that, though. Is that yours?
Post by: yozzer74 on January 25, 2016, 08:12:13 PM
Post by: MCTID on January 25, 2016, 08:13:33 PM
Both my Daughters used to be made up if I was home early from work and went to pick them (one or the other) from school on my CX500.......lots of street cred from your Kids from owning a bike.
Nice to see all the offers of help from members of the forum.........not unexpected TBH.......it's one of the reasons why the sohc Forum is so good and why I'm so glad I joined it......I have received some invaluable help from some very kind people.
Keep the photees coming please.
Post by: Pops400 on January 25, 2016, 09:02:10 PM
Yozzer, I don't suppose you have a link to any more photos of that seat build, do you?
Post by: yozzer74 on January 25, 2016, 09:07:11 PM
Post by: yozzer74 on January 25, 2016, 09:08:25 PM
Post by: Pops400 on January 25, 2016, 09:14:18 PM
Funnily enough a removable hoop was an idea I was toying with too, in case I had a sudden desire to go closer to stock in the future.
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 25, 2016, 10:11:21 PM
If you make a list of what's required, maybe we can all help out. I've got some bits that I don't want to chuck out but I don't mind chucking them in your direction.
Hi and welcome, good luck with your project.
I may have some bits kicking around too and do get your looooovely little girl some overalls, or get her to wear a onesie to keep the cold out
Post by: Pops400 on January 25, 2016, 10:20:36 PM
Don't worry, Julie, she's a hardy lass. ;) That's her racing fleece, it pretty warm. Overalls on order.
Post by: Pops400 on January 31, 2016, 09:48:14 PM
Took the girl up this morning to carry on stripping the bike down and the damn rear guard swallowed another hour of time and half a tin of WD40. Rounded and rusted, nothing on this bike wants to come apart easy, so progress is PAINFULLY slow. >:(
Was just having a chocolate hob-nob break, when my wife turned up with coffee and hot chocolate and her camera. She likes her photography, so told us to just crack on and used the morning to get some practice whilst we set about it. I know the progress isn't exciting or quick, but thought I'd share the pics anyway, to keep the thread and motivation going.
Abandoning the plan to get the mudguard off, set about getting the back end off instead and decided to use the time to teach the girl a bit.
First lesson, how to split a rusty chain! ::)[attachimg=1]
Then Jess was put on WD40 duty while I got to getting enough rust off to start getting the chain split. Think I may need shares in the damn stuff at this rate. :-[[attachimg=2][attachurl=3]
Finally split the chain and left it to Jess to knock the link out and get it free. Good girl. :)[attachimg=4]
Pretty much everything needed the use of the all purpose multi tool (big 'ommer) and copious quantities of WD40 and Bicep... [attachimg=5]
Post by: Pops400 on January 31, 2016, 09:49:45 PM
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Thank the lord for that. Something moved. [attachimg=2]
Post by: Pops400 on January 31, 2016, 10:02:29 PM
Sadly, when I viewed the photos, I realised I am far closer to baldness than I realised. Hey ho... :'(
Post by: Pops400 on January 31, 2016, 10:06:03 PM
Her "By the power of grayskull" moment (for the 80's kids...)[attachimg=1][attachimg=2]
After that, we had a bit of a breather and a lesson on how brakes work. She's getting there. 8)
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Post by: Pops400 on January 31, 2016, 10:08:50 PM
Sorted... [attachimg=1]
And you can't be a kid without doing the "brum, brum!!!" bit... ;D 8) Chip off the old block.[attachimg=2]
Post by: Pops400 on January 31, 2016, 10:10:21 PM
Post by: mike the bike on January 31, 2016, 10:43:42 PM
Fired up my 400 after sorning it for a few months. Closed the float bowl drain screws, put fresh juice in, cranked it over on kill just to get the oil up to the cams. Turned kill switch to ON. Fired up first blatt of the starter and it ran like a Swiss watch - only louder and a lot more fun.
Post by: Pops400 on January 31, 2016, 10:56:47 PM
Post by: Pops400 on January 31, 2016, 11:18:53 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on February 01, 2016, 02:34:54 AM
Had a nice heartwarming moment. Left the girl in charge of labeling the parts bags. When I came to clear them up at the end of the morning, I found this on the shock bits bag. (Attachment Link)
That is label is sooooooo sweet and Jess looks great in her new overalls, much warmer too I expect.
Post by: ST1100 on February 01, 2016, 05:37:07 AM
Her "By the power of grayskull" moment (for the 80's kids...)Now that pic will make a nice b/w poster at home to reminiscent that project in future decades...
Really sweet that you could motivate the little one for this job, plus a mom is supporting that! 8)
Such is not the SOP when it comes to "male hobbies" though... ;)
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on February 01, 2016, 11:14:36 AM
Usually caused by smartphones.
If you take pictures on a phone, it automatically rotates them for you (coz its clever) - the forum software isn't clever so if you upload it direct, it will show in the way it was originally taken.
The only option is to upload them to a PC and manually rotate them (as well as reduce the size) before submitting to the forum.
Steve
Post by: Pops400 on February 01, 2016, 11:17:00 AM
Back to the snappy camera next weekend. :D
Post by: Pops400 on February 01, 2016, 11:18:24 AM
Post by: Drew400 on February 02, 2016, 10:48:29 AM
Post by: Johnwebley on February 02, 2016, 11:49:34 AM
lots of smiley faces and fun,
keep up the good work
see you sunday !!
Post by: tom400f on February 02, 2016, 03:03:17 PM
Post by: Pops400 on February 02, 2016, 05:55:51 PM
Post by: Pops400 on February 06, 2016, 08:23:23 PM
So I thought I'd take some demolition tools with me and get medieval on that damn rear mudguard to get it out. I can sum the day in one word, to be fair. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
I lost 2 hours of my life to 2 bolts. 2 HOURS!!! And I think I have broken a bone in my hand in the process. >:(
I tried heat, chiselling, tried clearing enough room to shear the bolt. Nothing. Ended up (after missing my target and clouting my hand with a hammer - hence the breakage...) having to drill in stages into the retaining nuts to try and split them. Even that ended up in several broken bits and a lot of swearing. Even after I split them, they were so rusted to the bolts I couldn't just split them off! Never come across anything like it.
Anyway, eventually got the damn things off and I have never felt such a wave of triumph in all my days. The small victories, eh?
I know this will look ridiculous to the serious engineers amongst you, but what an absolute ball-ache this was.
Drilling...
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One of the little bleepers out! I can't believe I lost an hour each to these things!
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MUDGUARD OUT! I feel triumphant. ;D
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Post by: Pops400 on February 06, 2016, 08:28:20 PM
One rear mudguard, recently removed. Only reason for selling is surplus to rquirements as I'm going café racer. Showing a few signs of wear, but should buff up fine. Looks like it may have a couple of small pinholes, hard to tell in the light. Serious enquiries only, no time wasters. Open to offers. ;D
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Pinholes...
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Picture of it fitted to the bike, for reference. [attachimg=3]
Post by: Pops400 on February 06, 2016, 08:32:54 PM
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Post by: Pops400 on February 06, 2016, 08:37:05 PM
General corrosion. This is pretty much the whole bike.
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Post by: Pops400 on February 06, 2016, 08:44:53 PM
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My real woes are at the front end. Forks and legs are looking beyond repair to me.
I know all this stuff is replaceable, but I never set out to buy a bike 1 piece at a time and just bolt it all together, so it will be a hell of a challenge figuring out what can be saved and how. At least now I can see the rear of the frame clearly, I can start visualising how it will look with the seat and rear.
Front end woes...
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Post by: Pops400 on February 06, 2016, 08:52:37 PM
But the real bonus is... the missing bit of the muffler was in there, lovingly packed away! ;D :-X
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Oh well. Off to Shepton tomorrow with the Girl to see what inspiration and motivation I can get.
Post by: Chris400F on February 07, 2016, 10:56:28 AM
I had been hoping to salvage the indicators for sale or swap, but they are in a horrible state. :( To the tip they go methinks.Make sure you keep those mounting brackets.
They are a silly price if you want to replace them, they are specific to the 400/4.
Post by: Pops400 on February 07, 2016, 02:04:04 PM
Post by: Pops400 on February 07, 2016, 07:35:16 PM
She's officially a sohc fan and mechanic.
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Post by: Pops400 on February 13, 2016, 12:20:04 AM
Normal update service will be resumed after a brief gap once I have found somewhere to re-house. The car may have to go, but the bike is staying. Somehow...
Post by: Aly-b on February 13, 2016, 01:22:23 AM
Post by: Pops400 on February 20, 2016, 06:19:17 PM
Well, came to a bit of a dead stop yesterday after a bit of time off. So much frustration at nothing coming off in one piece and a lot of head scratching, so turned to work on the car to get some thinking time.
Here's where I'm at...
I feel like I can't progress until I can resolve the seat issue, but I'm struggling to find any serious detail on any threads or websites I can find. I see a lot of " and here's my seat hoop fitted" , but no real detail. I'm trying to figure out how this all fits together. I had planned to use the original fittings and possibly the base from the two four seat, but Now I can't see that working for a cafe, as there would be fittings sticking out all over the place. So do I need to decide on a seat first, so I can offer it up and measure for hoops, or are they some sort of standard size? How do folks fit the seats to the hoop bases?
I'm starting to consider a brat seat with a removable hump of some sort, but need to get my head round what the considerations are for mounting, battery tray ideas, welding etc. Even stuff like what brackets can be removed and what needs to stay.
I can find loads of pics of finished bikes, but can't find any to view. Nothing at all at Shepton Mallet and can't find any 400 cafe racers to view, so I'm struggling. Very much the kind of guy who gets stuff more in the flesh than from reading.
I could use some sound advice before I get much further, as I want to have the frame properly finished before I go painting or coating, so I know I'm only going to do it once.
Anyone close enough who wouldn't mind me having a look at something finished?
Also interested in centre stands, or lack of. Most cafes I see in pics seem to have dispensed with them. What are general thoughts? Any other frame things to consider that you guys can help point out?
20 questions I know, but I want to get this right and would genuinely appreciate the input now to get it right first time. Be gentle, It's my first bike build...
Thanks.
Post by: Norniron on February 20, 2016, 07:02:22 PM
Got a couple of hours in today without my helper, she decided a Princess Party was a better offer.
So I thought I'd take some demolition tools with me and get medieval on that damn rear mudguard to get it out. I can sum the day in one word, to be fair. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
I lost 2 hours of my life to 2 bolts. 2 HOURS!!! And I think I have broken a bone in my hand in the process. >:(
I tried heat, chiselling, tried clearing enough room to shear the bolt. Nothing. Ended up (after missing my target and clouting my hand with a hammer - hence the breakage...) having to drill in stages into the retaining nuts to try and split them. Even that ended up in several broken bits and a lot of swearing. Even after I split them, they were so rusted to the bolts I couldn't just split them off! Never come across anything like it.
Anyway, eventually got the damn things off and I have never felt such a wave of triumph in all my days. The small victories, eh?
I know this will look ridiculous to the serious engineers amongst you, but what an absolute ball-ache this was.
Drilling...
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One of the little bleepers out! I can't believe I lost an hour each to these things!
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MUDGUARD OUT! I feel triumphant. ;D
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Buy a grinder,thin cutting blades and a full face mask mate and your two hrs couldve been two minutes
Post by: Pops400 on February 20, 2016, 07:44:51 PM
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Post by: hairygit on February 25, 2016, 10:03:04 AM
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Post by: Pops400 on February 25, 2016, 10:19:35 AM
Zorst will be standard, so no need to dump it for that. Easily persuaded to keep it, I wondered if there was a reason they got taken off, or just aesthetics. My side stand bracket needs welding as it won't take any weight, also, so centre needs to stay for peace of mind. :D
Post by: hairygit on February 25, 2016, 11:06:17 AM
Post by: MCTID on February 25, 2016, 11:41:07 AM
I don't know how manufacturers now get away with not fitting a main stand as practically every product sold nowadays has to be 'Safe in use, and fit for purpose'.
Post by: Chris400F on February 25, 2016, 12:00:10 PM
Re the exhaust, are you intending to try and get hold of a standard system or still thinking of using the header pipes you have to keep the costs down?
Looking back at the early pics you posted the system shown is definitely aftermarket although I can't work out what it is.
Also wondering whether you have had any joy in finding anywhere to store and work on the bike, if you could be losing your current storage.
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on February 25, 2016, 12:28:54 PM
No problem, I thought, I'll get a rear paddock stand.
£100 and two paddock stands later, wished I'd stumped up for the Triumph kit in the first place.
Steve
Post by: Pops400 on February 25, 2016, 01:16:31 PM
£160 for a centre stand, Steve?! :-X
Chris, thanks for pointing that out, I thought it was a standard system, not aftermarket, so had planned to use the headers and replace the muffler, (to keep costs down as you said). This is where it's a problem not being able to see any for points of reference. How can you tell it's aftermarket?
I have managed to get someone to share the unit and costs, along with the person I was already sharing with, so space is getting tight after this weekend, but at least I can keep the project going and it won't be outside on the patio. ::)
Thanks for the replies, all. I need to understand as I go along to keep it going. Please keep the advice coming.
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on February 25, 2016, 01:59:10 PM
£160 for a centre stand, Steve?!
Gone up since then:
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Post by: Chris400F on February 25, 2016, 02:16:07 PM
Chris, thanks for pointing that out, I thought it was a standard system, not aftermarket, so had planned to use the headers and replace the muffler, (to keep costs down as you said). This is where it's a problem not being able to see any for points of reference. How can you tell it's aftermarket?The standard collector is 'flat', with the four pipes entering in a line. Yours looks to be 'square', with two pipes above and two below.
Two pipes are welded to the collector and two are held in place by clamps, can't remember whether 1 & 3 or 2 & 4.
The silencer is also separate and clamped to the collector whereas yours is integral.
Motad make an aftermarket replica system which has the same shape pipes and collector with all pipes separate from the collector:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB400-4-Complete-Exhaust-System-/161988706082?hash=item25b7477f22:g:QkQAAOSwzgRWvHXF
Yours could be a Motad system - certainly later ones (there was one on my bike when I got it) had the ends of the downpipes flared and used the standard clamps and collars rather than having integral collars welded to the pipes although I think some earlier ones used the integral collars scheme.
Post by: Pops400 on February 25, 2016, 03:00:07 PM
£160 for a centre stand, Steve?!
Gone up since then:
:o
A milk crate must be cheaper. ;D
Post by: Pops400 on February 25, 2016, 03:06:15 PM
Yours could be a Motad system
Chris, that's all great info, thanks. I will get some good close up photos at the weekend.
I have a vague recollection of my Dad being very pleased with a micron silencer he put on it back in the early 90s, but confess I haven't even looked at it since I got it. No budget for complete system, so head scratching time now.
Thanks for the link. 8)
Post by: Chris400F on February 25, 2016, 04:23:29 PM
If you are still intending to wrap the pipes then I suppose there is a chance you may be able to find a reasonably priced set of OEM pipes with poor chrome. Rechroming these is expensive so systems that are nice and shiny seem to command higher prices. If I could find a reasonably priced OEM system with good chrome for my own bike I'd have one, otherwise the replica system stays in place.
Post by: Pops400 on February 25, 2016, 04:43:20 PM
All good helpful info, ta.
Anyone any ideas or advice on the seat / hoop question on the previous page?
TIA.
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Post by: Pops400 on February 26, 2016, 08:17:15 PM
Thanks Mate, that's mint. 8)
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Post by: Rozabikes Tim on April 26, 2016, 10:13:48 PM
Post by: Pops400 on April 27, 2016, 07:17:58 AM
Just been pulling bits off and being amazed by the butchery I'm finding. ::)
Glad you like the thread. Will resume photos and updates shortly, helper in tow. 8)
Thanks for the interest.
Post by: mick on April 27, 2016, 07:45:43 AM
Post by: Pops400 on April 27, 2016, 11:52:27 AM
Post by: Johnwebley on April 27, 2016, 12:10:24 PM
yes,glad to see you back,
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Post by: Pops400 on April 28, 2016, 10:49:55 PM
And the clocks as they were butchered in. No idea why the originals were replaced in the first place, but these look like 350lc clocks to me. I've agreed a swap for some originals with someone who wants these, with a bit of folding changing hands too, so happy enough. At least they came of clean, unlike anything else! ::)[attachimg=2]
Post by: Pops400 on April 28, 2016, 10:52:32 PM
Post by: Green1 on April 28, 2016, 10:59:23 PM
Never to old for a wotsit break
Mick
Post by: Pops400 on April 29, 2016, 10:26:12 AM
I finally spotted a 400/4 cafe racer for some reference when I went to the Kickback show. Tried to snap a photo of it, only to find the girl has learned how to photobomb... ::) ;D[attachimg=1]
Post by: Chris400F on April 29, 2016, 12:19:38 PM
On the topic of wiring I had to make up some leads with suitable connectors for indicators (extend leads for rack mounting) and headlamp (I have a Cibie unit fitted).
If you look on eBay you can buy Japanese 3.9mm Bullet Connectors which worked perfectly for me.
I don't have a crimp tool for non-insulated connectors so soldered the wires then used a regular crimp tool to bend the edges of the connectors to the required shape.
They fit to the standard loom, you can also get double connectors if you need them.
Post by: Pops400 on April 29, 2016, 01:19:46 PM
I will be tidying everything up as I go through it all, but the leccy is the bit I'm vaguest on, so there will be plenty of dumb questions when that comes around.
Will be investing in an Anti-Gravity battery and most of the lights will be LED if the plan stays as is, so plenty research needed. :-\
Post by: MarkCR750 on April 29, 2016, 06:55:41 PM
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Post by: Pops400 on October 19, 2016, 07:28:26 PM
No photos to update, but hopefully will be back on track in the next couple of weeks. Will get some pics up as progress starts again. Remotivating...
Post by: Green1 on October 19, 2016, 07:32:54 PM
Mick
Post by: Pops400 on October 19, 2016, 08:22:28 PM
Was a bit surprised to see you in new members when I came back. :o
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Post by: Chris400F on October 20, 2016, 10:14:58 AM
Yes, life can be a bu99er sometimes but hopefully you are on the way back up.
Looks like you have been catching up on threads on here and have some more ideas to work with - we await the outcome however long it takes.
Post by: Pops400 on October 20, 2016, 02:50:14 PM
Little helper and I will hopefully get some more progress at the weekend.
Post by: onethumb on October 20, 2016, 06:17:36 PM
On a different matter I've a small grinder free to a good home if you can collect from wolves or Amersham. The switch is really stiff but other than that is fine.
Steve.
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Post by: Pops400 on October 20, 2016, 06:29:53 PM
Post by: onethumb on October 20, 2016, 09:06:58 PM
Hi Steve. Thanks for that, it's a very kind offer and I'd like to take you upon that, it would be very helpful. I'm only half hour or so away from Wolves, as it happens. Let me know if that suits and thanks for the thought. Glad you got back on track, hopefully I'm back on mine now. 8)
I'm back in wolves tomorrow (Friday) I'll PM you my email so we can arrange collection.
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Post by: Pops400 on October 20, 2016, 09:29:51 PM
Post by: Pops400 on October 29, 2016, 11:51:37 AM
Started off by going backwards, putting it all back together again... :o Decided that I needed some really good clear photos of it side and front on, so I can make a firmer plan of the finished look and dimensions. Still undecided about the seat, so have decided on complete bespoke. Taking these snaps, I will be getting the tracing paper and protractor out and drawing out how I want it. Once I have it done properly, I will know where I'm cutting and what I can lose.
Looks like I can lose a good wedge off the length of the seat / back end, which is good, as I want to stay inside the centre of the wheels front and back, ideally :
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And that's as far as we got before Little 'un called a soup break! ::) ;D
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Post by: Pops400 on October 29, 2016, 11:58:16 AM
Everything back off and had the usual struggles of everything being rusted, rounded or both... >:(
Got half way through getting the front end out, then found that the speedo drive retaining screw is completely, well, screwed!!! Wasn't comfortable getting the drill out on it, so back to that later. Decided to get to work getting the carbs out, so set Jess on WD40 duty, taught her the old "righty tighty..." and she got really stuck in.
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What an absolute bar-steward getting the damn things out, though! I think they were as surprised as us when they finally popped, judging by their faces. ??? ;D
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Post by: onethumb on October 29, 2016, 12:03:05 PM
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Post by: Pops400 on October 29, 2016, 12:09:02 PM
Another job done.
Yep, that was it for the day, Steve, but progress none the less.
Didn't get cause to attack anything with the grinder, for the first day since starting! Of course not, now I've got one...! ::) :-X ;D
Post by: Chris400F on October 29, 2016, 05:43:03 PM
.... I want to stay inside the centre of the wheels front and back, ideally :Good to see progress, and Jess doing her bit too! Neither of mine (I have one of each) ever really showed any interest in things mechanical.
I thought I remembered, and going back to the first page of this thread confirmed it, that one of the design criteria (as specified by Jess) was a dual seat so she could come along for the ride. Might be a bit cosy to manage that within the centres of the wheels.
With the dual seat idea in mind, yours is an early model with the pillion footrests on the swinging arm. As replacing the frame with an F2 item is probably not really in the spirit of the project is it worth looking at fitting some loops on the frame for pillion footrests as on the later models? I think that would be a lot more comfortable for a passenger.
Post by: Pops400 on October 29, 2016, 09:45:07 PM
Hadn't considered the rear pegs, to be honest, but that's a fair point. Once I get it stripped back and the frame mocked up, I will look at that and see what solutions I can come up with. I'm immediately thinking something quickly removable, though. I think this bike has to have two guises. :D
Post by: Greebo on November 01, 2016, 09:17:54 AM
Heres the helmet & the jackets ...the visor on the helmet is retractable, so when not needed you can push it up into the helmet .
for some unknowqn reason you cant put images on personal posts
Post by: Pops400 on November 01, 2016, 11:34:53 PM
Stunning bike, too. 8) Given me some great food for thought.
Post by: Pops400 on November 06, 2016, 10:34:19 PM
Todays plan was stop :o ing about tickling it and get the motor out.
I knew I couldn't lift it out with me and the girl, so went with gravity to help me. Laid some boxes down to protect the beautiful casing, finally got out the sump plug that Coco the Clown put in, let it down gently and set to work.
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Jess got put on camera duty, so I knew she was well clear!
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And she's down!
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Ready to pull the motor.
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Post by: Pops400 on November 06, 2016, 10:43:20 PM
The vision in my head at this point was that I would just pull the rear retaining bolt, lift the frame back up and voila!
Oh, no... Don't let anyone kid you that this method is that easy...
A lot of wrestling and had to pull the side casing to clear the frame later...
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That gave me a bit more wriggle room, so then it was a matter of PULL...
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PUSH...!!!
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And it's finally out! YEEHAAAW! Cowboy school of engineering!!! ;D :o 8)
Apologies to the purists, but sometimes you just have to work with what you've got. ;D
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My little helper was as proud as punch. Proper kill for a change. Progress!
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Post by: Pops400 on November 06, 2016, 10:55:50 PM
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Caught in the act.
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Post by: Pops400 on November 06, 2016, 11:02:45 PM
I know this is probably all inane drivel and childs play stuff to you lot, but I keep writing it up because it gives me a rolling diary of good times with the Girl, blundering about without a clue, thinking about this bike when I was a kid and my Dad had it. 8) Hopefully it will give you all a laugh at our ineptitude and it will give Jess something to look back on when it's her's in years to come.
Anyway, a couple of snaps my wife took of the planning meeting. We actually got through quite a good agenda and came up with some good new ideas. ;D
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Post by: Johnwebley on November 06, 2016, 11:12:21 PM
this is a very enjoyable rebuild,keep up the good work .it is really good when the whole family gels together and takes time to
contribute ,
either as assistant,photographer,coffee and food supplier ,
each very important and very nessasary !!!
Post by: Pops400 on November 06, 2016, 11:20:57 PM
After that, I set about wrestling with getting the rest of it separated and gave Jess her own job, putting the casing, sump and filter back on.
Fair play to the Girl, made me proud, got stuck in after I showed her what to do. Wouldn't accept any help after that. Good girl, she's a grafter. She even had to get on the deck to get to some of the bolts, no bother.
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Love this shot that my wife took before she went home. :)
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And Jess took this one, she wanted to show the engine through the frame. I've got a budding David Bailey on my hands!
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Post by: Pops400 on November 06, 2016, 11:27:51 PM
I thought she deserved a reward today for working so hard, so I gave her an old cantilever toolbox and a handful of tools and bits and pieces of her own. She promptly labelled it as hers and requested a photograph to commemorate her getting her own spanners. 8)
And that was it for today. I feel like the whole thing has taken a huge leap forward, so feeling a bit more motivated now. It will roll again, this old anchor. ;D
It has to, we gave it a name today, so it is officially family. ;)
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Post by: mike the bike on November 06, 2016, 11:38:19 PM
To remove the engine...
Make sure the sump and oil filter housing are removed.
Place the table on the right, as close to the frame as possible
Jack up the engine and place two 2 foot lengths of hardwood, about 20mm thick, under the engine. This allows the engine to clear the lower engine mounts.
Slide the engine out onto the table.
Dead easy, piece of piis.
Nice size workshop you've got there, I'm well jealous.
Post by: Pops400 on November 07, 2016, 12:02:34 AM
I'd love to say the workshop is all mine, but I only rent the bit my car is shoved in, I just sneaked the bike out into the open whilst some folk had their stuff out of the way. It's very, very dusty and very cold, so I'm on the lookout for somewhere else, but it's been a Godsend today to be able to walk round freely.
Post by: mike the bike on November 07, 2016, 07:25:10 AM
Post by: royhall on November 07, 2016, 07:56:01 AM
Post by: K2-K6 on November 07, 2016, 09:09:16 AM
Just a bit to add to the ad-hoc approach, a friend of mine always uses a slab of that rigid building insulation instead of cardboard as if you drop something like the engine it won't snap any delicate bits like fins off it.
Also if you need to support the engine at any angle for storing or dismantling then an old car tire let's it sit securely at any angle you need without toppling over.
I've two kids and don't think you can beat doing anything together really, I remember alot of stuff the same with my father and the fond memories it brings.
You're doing a fine job, it'll just take time to work through it but well worth it in the end.
Post by: Chris400F on November 07, 2016, 09:10:59 AM
As Mike says beware the lower engine bolts as using one too long can result in a hole in the crankcase.
The bolt lengths are given in the Parts List, so that's useful to have.
And I have no doubt that you will have this bike back on the road again - your challenge could be to have it done by 2nd July!
Post by: Pops400 on November 07, 2016, 12:00:42 PM
When the time comes put the engine back in, you know how it's done. Just don't mix up the lower engine bolts.
Duly noted. ;) I'll certainly not be employing my cowboy method with a freshly painted lump and frame. :o Sounds like a much better way to do it if I can't get help. Appreciate the advice.
Post by: Pops400 on November 07, 2016, 12:02:29 PM
I am enjoying watching this build, keep up the good work and the pictures coming. If you think the 400 is a heavy engine, wait till you get to lift a 750 out. :o
I dread to think. I don't think my back would fancy that. ;D
Thanks for the kind comments. 8)
Post by: Pops400 on November 07, 2016, 12:05:40 PM
Brilliant account of how you're getting on and something to look back at when you get to ride it.
Just a bit to add to the ad-hoc approach, a friend of mine always uses a slab of that rigid building insulation instead of cardboard as if you drop something like the engine it won't snap any delicate bits like fins off it.
Also if you need to support the engine at any angle for storing or dismantling then an old car tire let's it sit securely at any angle you need without toppling over.
I've two kids and don't think you can beat doing anything together really, I remember alot of stuff the same with my father and the fond memories it brings.
You're doing a fine job, it'll just take time to work through it but well worth it in the end.
Thanks for the kind comments.
Yep, the insulation sounds a good idea, wish I'd thought of that. I really wouldn't recommend this method at all, though, unless you have a complete knacker, or one that was clearly owned by Coco the Clown at some point, like mine. :o :-X ;D
Post by: Pops400 on November 07, 2016, 12:10:40 PM
I'm really loving this thread too. Great to see Jess getting so involved as well.
As Mike says beware the lower engine bolts as using one too long can result in a hole in the crankcase.
The bolt lengths are given in the Parts List, so that's useful to have.
And I have no doubt that you will have this bike back on the road again - your challenge could be to have it done by 2nd July!
Cheers Chris. Good info from you and Mike about the bolts, committed to memory. Will almost certainly be ordering a complete engine bolt kit in the immediate future, these have all seen better days and most all have been hit with the aforementioned Coco's comedy hammer...
I don't think July is feasible, sadly. If time allows, I'm afraid funds won't. Think I'm beginning to accept it as a long term build, sadly. It will be beg steal and borrow of facilities to clean, prep and paint plus parts bin rummaging where possible, so could take a while.
First stop, lots of mocking up before I go cutting and welding, so it's decision time on the front end next.
Post by: Chris400F on November 07, 2016, 01:35:05 PM
Will almost certainly be ordering a complete engine bolt kit in the immediate future ....Just to clarify, it's the engine mounting bolts I was referring to.
The lower left in particular is the one to watch, if the bolt is too long it will go through the casing.
The Parts List seems pretty comprehensive in terms of bolt size and length information.
Post by: Pops400 on November 07, 2016, 03:23:03 PM
Post by: onethumb on November 08, 2016, 12:21:48 PM
Just my two cents on putting it back in as I did my 750 on Friday, I bought two bags of klin dried sand then put a old blanket on top, drop the engine on its side and placed it on top of the sand and abracadabra instant helper. Piece of cake.
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Post by: Pops400 on November 09, 2016, 04:53:35 PM
Post by: mike the bike on November 09, 2016, 05:38:54 PM
Post by: Pops400 on November 10, 2016, 06:56:28 AM
Post by: andut on November 10, 2016, 08:42:53 AM
An exciting time when things start to go back together and the 'to do list' starts to get shorter !
Andy
Post by: Pops400 on November 10, 2016, 11:03:29 PM
Post by: Pops400 on November 12, 2016, 09:58:43 PM
First of the dumb questions - I assume this is simply a steering lock, but with no keys and not having a bloody clue what I'm doing, how the hell do I get it out? Didn't seem any obvious way and nothing in the manual that I could find. (Not that surprised as it's for security, I guess...)
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Post by: mike the bike on November 12, 2016, 10:06:59 PM
Post by: Pops400 on November 12, 2016, 10:09:49 PM
Anyway, quick call to the cavalry and a breaker bar later and finally got it loose. I'm starting to wonder if some of this might be salvageable now though.
Pulled the springs and... er... Milky milky!!! :-\
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Post by: Pops400 on November 12, 2016, 10:12:25 PM
The lock is held in by the domed head rivet and the washer. Try removing the rivet with wire cutters or pincers, save for re use. Once that's out of the way you need the key to remove the lock. As you haven't got one then you'll have to drill it out. Take care not to snap the bit.
Had an horrible feeling it may be drilling it out. :-[ Will get the drill out next week, then. Cheers, Mike.
Post by: Pops400 on November 12, 2016, 10:32:12 PM
Much "fun" was had chasing them round the floor and getting ribbed by the girl... D'oh!
Parked the rest of the front up complete, as it is going to take some jiggery pokery to get it apart, everything rusted in. Moved on to getting the swinging arm out, no huge issues there, but the centre stand turned into a nightmare. Nothing in my manual about removal, am I missing something?!? ???
Looks to me like a hollow tube, one end flared, but it doesn't want to pull out. I tried putting a socket against the non-flared end and using the gentle persuading stick (FBH) but it only moves a few mm. Is there a trick to this?
This is all I can see to push
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and the flared end...
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Post by: Pops400 on November 12, 2016, 10:33:55 PM
Post by: Pops400 on November 12, 2016, 10:45:43 PM
A selection of the worst bits, below. :(
What do you say about this? Just completely split apart.
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Looks like the whole tube has been split / cut / welded at some point. Think it will just have to be cut out and start again.
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Guessing this shouldn't have that bend in it. :o
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Just look how this is folded over.
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Post by: mike the bike on November 13, 2016, 09:43:16 AM
Getting that centre stand pivot out brings back memories. It's been there for decades catching all the road crap and salt ; it isn't going to drop out easily.
It needs lots of heat, oil, heat, oil, persuasion, more heat, oil.
I sawed the flanged part off and bought a replacement. Still had to remove the remains of the old one.
Post by: Chris400F on November 13, 2016, 10:06:44 AM
I have replaced mine, had to drill it out as no key came with the bike.The lock is held in by the domed head rivet and the washer. Try removing the rivet with wire cutters or pincers, save for re use. Once that's out of the way you need the key to remove the lock. As you haven't got one then you'll have to drill it out. Take care not to snap the bit.
Had an horrible feeling it may be drilling it out. :-[ Will get the drill out next week, then. Cheers, Mike.
It's not that difficult but there is a trick to it, will have a look and try and find the details for you.
Post by: Chris400F on November 13, 2016, 11:35:02 AM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LENKERSCHLOSS-Lenkschlos-Steering-lock-Serrure-de-cadre-f-div-Honda-KAWASAKI-/231962410367?hash=item3602097d7f:g:TG8AAOSwR5dXTVIv
It comes with full instructions including how to remove the old lock when you don't have the key, but I don't seem to have kept a copy.
Basically you need to drill the old lock (6mm from memory but may be wrong) then there is a pin you need to hook out to free the mechanism.
Also found this thread which may help:
http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,4947.0.html
Post by: Pops400 on November 13, 2016, 03:20:36 PM
Most people bin the old bearings in favour of taper roller bearings so no worries there.
It was more the embarrassment factor having just given the lecture. :-[
If the stand just needs "persuasion", then that's OK, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something and about to break something irreparable.
Post by: mike the bike on November 13, 2016, 03:52:08 PM
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more the embarrassment factorYeah, like the time I was repairing someone's washing machine. I was tightening up an M8 bolt when the smart alec customer asked what torque I was tightening up to.
I replied (even more smart alec) " I just tighten it till the bolt snaps then back it off half a turn"
Then...the bolt snapped!
"Oh, I see" he says, "How are you going to loosen it now?"
FFS. thinks I.
Post by: Pops400 on November 13, 2016, 03:59:19 PM
Post by: Pops400 on November 13, 2016, 04:04:00 PM
This is the replacement lock I used:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LENKERSCHLOSS-Lenkschlos-Steering-lock-Serrure-de-cadre-f-div-Honda-KAWASAKI-/231962410367?hash=item3602097d7f:g:TG8AAOSwR5dXTVIv
It comes with full instructions including how to remove the old lock when you don't have the key, but I don't seem to have kept a copy.
Basically you need to drill the old lock (6mm from memory but may be wrong) then there is a pin you need to hook out to free the mechanism.
Also found this thread which may help:
http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,4947.0.html
Both excellent links, cheers Chris. 8)
Pleased that it looks cheap fix too. Have to admit, there was a temptation to just plug it and not use it... :-X
Post by: Laverda Dave on November 13, 2016, 05:07:40 PM
On a more serious note, I would strongly recommend you get the frame checked for straightness once you have removed the centre stand pivot and completed the welding and before you paint it. You don't want to go to all that effort only to find the frame is bent when it's all completed. My Morini frame was twisted at the headstock by 2 degrees and so was the 400 I'm restoring now. £70 well spent in my opinion.
Keep posting the progress photos they keep us all going in the winter.
Post by: Pops400 on November 13, 2016, 06:17:58 PM
Good to know the progress is of interest. I will certainly keep posting my amateur hour attempts as long as I know I'm not talking to myself. ;D
Post by: Woodside on November 13, 2016, 06:57:08 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on November 13, 2016, 06:59:11 PM
Post by: mike the bike on November 13, 2016, 07:06:32 PM
Post by: Green1 on November 13, 2016, 07:08:11 PM
Mick
Post by: Nurse Julie on November 13, 2016, 07:11:45 PM
I'm lurking in the shaddows ;)We really don't want to know what you Essex boys get up to on a Sunday evening Mick :-* :-* :-*
Mick
Post by: Pops400 on November 13, 2016, 07:21:50 PM
Post by: Green1 on November 13, 2016, 07:32:09 PM
So best I stay in the shaddows
Post by: mike the bike on November 13, 2016, 07:38:05 PM
Post by: Green1 on November 13, 2016, 07:54:57 PM
Post by: Pops400 on November 13, 2016, 08:45:04 PM
Righto, well while I have your eyes, I shall ask opinions and advice.
Now getting bogged down with riding position v's aesthetics, v's budget. I'm thinking I can save a lot of the front end now, apart from the tubes, so now I have abandoned the modern front end idea to save funds. That took me straight back to clip on's, but there are so many available I don't really know where to start. Can the quality be that different that I should pay a rake of money, or just buy relatively cheap?
If I go clip on's, I have two concerns.
1. My poor old back... What are they REALLY like to ride?
2. If I go that route, I can't be doing the bar clamps reassembled and just sat there sticking up. So that means a bespoke machined piece, (pricey, so no) or grinding them off here :
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So that leaves me to ask :
A. How well will the casting take to being ground down and
B. Will I get lynched for cutting up genuine parts... :-X
Lastly, clubmans got me all excited at one point, then I decided I prefer the look of clip on's, so is there any reason to look further at them? Any advantages?
And then I had a sudden urge to go dead straight bars. Bluntly, has anyone done this and does it look great or bobbins? ??? ;D
Many questions, but welcome your input!
Thanks in advance, you helpful lot. ;)
Post by: Nurse Julie on November 13, 2016, 08:52:56 PM
Post by: Green1 on November 13, 2016, 09:06:24 PM
I rode my dads Triumph Trophy last week and was crippled after an hour.
Post by: Nurse Julie on November 13, 2016, 09:11:56 PM
Post by: Green1 on November 13, 2016, 09:20:49 PM
Post by: Pops400 on November 13, 2016, 09:25:39 PM
From yours and Mick's comments, I do have my reservations about clip on's, though I like the look. My reservations about actually being able to ride it comfortably are what made me suddenly think about straight bars. Head spinner. :(
Post by: Nurse Julie on November 13, 2016, 09:32:26 PM
Post by: Pops400 on November 13, 2016, 09:40:40 PM
Much thinking and listening to the opinions of those who have done it before to do. Might cut a bit of old tubing to length and mock up some straight bars to test feel. Not sure how to mock up clip on's. ???
Post by: Chris400F on November 13, 2016, 09:43:54 PM
As Julie says the standard UK bars are pretty straight anyway.
Clubman bars are what quite a few people fitted to various bikes back in the days when the 400 was current - I think you could even have them as an option on things like the Suzuki GT185 and 250 - usually without tank fouling issues or rearsets, so that would be more of a period modification.
I suspect rearsets would probably interfere with the requirement for pillion footrests for Jess.
Also hope that frame damage shown earlier doesn't prove too serious.
Oh, and another +1 from me for keeping up with all these updates.
Post by: Nurse Julie on November 13, 2016, 09:47:32 PM
Post by: Green1 on November 13, 2016, 09:58:46 PM
Post by: Green1 on November 13, 2016, 10:04:55 PM
Post by: Pops400 on November 13, 2016, 10:07:43 PM
Julie, you have me wondering if I have the right bars now. The ones I took off are a million miles off straight or low. I need to find a way to check. When I say straight bars, I do mean literally straight, not even slight angles in there. Wonder if that may be too aggressive / Street fighter though. Not what I am going for at all.
Take your point on mock ups and not knowing until ridden, but hoping I can at least get a feel for pressure on wrists and back. I suffer with my lower back and legs due to the insane amount of miles I do a year, for a lot of years, so should be able to tell pretty quickly if it's a definite no-go. At least I can discount the howlers then and then take time to find out by riding.
All working on the heroic assumption I can get it going, of course. ;D
Chris, yes I am worried about the frame damage too now.
Post by: Pops400 on November 13, 2016, 10:09:00 PM
Bodd has straight bars on his bike.He has plenty of pictures in the gallery to give you an idea.
Superb lead, thank you. 8)
Post by: Nurse Julie on November 13, 2016, 11:11:27 PM
Oh yea of little faith. We're not going through all this with you and Jess to not have a running bike at the end of it all.......we wouldn't let that happen ;D ;D ;D
All working on the heroic assumption I can get it going, of course. ;D
Post by: Pops400 on November 14, 2016, 06:09:04 AM
I'm sure I'll get there. Just get the odd day when I look at it and wonder what the hell I'm doing, it's so far gone.
Post by: Trigger on November 14, 2016, 06:13:39 AM
;D ;D ;D
I'm sure I'll get there. Just get the odd day when I look at it and wonder what the hell I'm doing, it's so far gone.
I think that every day ;D And I do it for a living ;)
Post by: Pops400 on November 14, 2016, 06:22:48 AM
I just keep plugging away until I get a day when lots of progress happens, that gives me enough lift to take me through a few more crap ones.
Post by: Trigger on November 14, 2016, 06:29:29 AM
;D
I just keep plugging away until I get a day when lots of progress happens, that gives me enough lift to take me through a few more crap ones.
Just focus on the frame and engine. Once this is done, everything else just basically bolts on.
Post by: Pops400 on November 14, 2016, 06:41:15 AM
Kind of know that pulling it apart is asking for trouble too, though. And probably a load of money I don't have. :o ::)
Post by: mike the bike on November 14, 2016, 07:42:29 AM
Post by: Pops400 on November 14, 2016, 09:14:05 AM
'scuse my ignorance, though, I thought Ace / Clubman were different terms for the same thing?
Post by: Chris400F on November 14, 2016, 09:59:35 AM
'scuse my ignorance, though, I thought Ace / Clubman were different terms for the same thing?I would have said that too, they are just different names for the same style of bars.
Post by: Pops400 on November 14, 2016, 10:22:00 AM
Think my preference if it was purely aesthetic will be non adjustable clip on, I like the clean look. Just have to find a way to mock up and see how it feels. Will still try the straight bar mock up as well, out of curiosity. The more I look at Clubman bars, the more I think they aren't quite the clean look I'm going for.
Post by: Pops400 on November 14, 2016, 11:46:31 AM
Done. On to the next one. :D
Post by: Alex jb on November 14, 2016, 08:06:56 PM
My CD had the bolt through bar clamps in the top tree and as I have clip ons I didn't like the holes being there so used the alloy in a tube stuff that you mix like putty to fill then painted the tree after a bit of grinding.
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My clip ons are fully adjustable and a pain in the ass (look rubbish and come loose), I'd go for fixed ones once you know if you can get comfy on them
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Post by: Pops400 on November 14, 2016, 09:00:10 PM
One for your little helper.....LOL.
;D ;D ;D I'm careful round the girl, but she did learn what a whizzer is this weekend, which lead to a great deal of broken nuts and bolts being whizzed across the workshop afterwards. ::)
Post by: Pops400 on November 14, 2016, 09:03:01 PM
When you say you filled those holes with tube mix, are you talking about milliput? Epoxy resin?
Post by: Alex jb on November 14, 2016, 09:36:59 PM
I used it try to make sure it would give the same as the alloy tree, smoothed all the edges where I took off the top material to hopefully avoid any stress risers.
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Post by: Pops400 on November 14, 2016, 09:53:35 PM
The whole build has just taken a massive blow, though. I just got the quotes for welding the frame...
I need to sleep on it, but if I can't find a way around, it could be game over before I've started.
Post by: Green1 on November 14, 2016, 10:01:25 PM
About £125 should get a good one
Post by: Pops400 on November 14, 2016, 10:53:47 PM
Need to regroup.
Post by: onethumb on November 14, 2016, 10:54:25 PM
Another few jobs sorted buddy.
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Post by: Green1 on November 14, 2016, 11:00:13 PM
All the bends would be the right shape so should save on labour costs.
Post by: Chris400F on November 15, 2016, 05:01:03 PM
I need to sleep on it, but if I can't find a way around, it could be game over before I've started.I hope it isn't, I think a lot of people have been following the exploits of yourself and Jess and want to see this build succeed.
Post by: Pops400 on November 22, 2016, 07:23:41 PM
The reality has hit home and there has been a lot of soul searching over the last week and a bit. I stood in the unit surrounded by all this decrepit old crap and a bent, split frame and reality really sank in. This thing has been destroyed by butchery, ravaged by time and bent by bastard thieves. It is in a shocking state and way beyond my talent level. Every single part is corroded to :-X or broken. It hit me really hard and I had to walk away.
I simply can't afford the repairs to the frame and I won't accept a bodge for the sake of safety, so it is game over for moving on with that. I appreciate all the thoughts on PM about replacing the frame, but I have had to ask myself what is important about the build to me, because it sure as hell isnt value once it is done. This is 100% sentimental and without the original frame, it simply isnt my Dads bike.
So with pure out and out common sense sitting on my shoulder... F :-X it, I'm wet already, I might as well get soaked ;D. Game on!!!
I have decided to park the frame and think about how I get round that and get on with trying to restore what parts I can in the meantime. I have managed to persuade someone to let me use their blasting booth, so will be taking the frame there to get a true appraisal of the damage and get some other bits blasted off. That will keep Jess and I busy whilst I work everything else out and if all else fails, I've learned something and you lot will get some (hopefully) nice shiny parts to buy.
A set back. A big one, but just a set back. As a wise man once said to me, Never give up.
We are back in business, the girl and I.I shall recommence boring you sensless shortly.
Post by: Green1 on November 22, 2016, 07:58:18 PM
I still think it could be worth tracking down another frame to splice yours.
One without a v5 wont be worth much.
Post by: Nurse Julie on November 22, 2016, 08:00:56 PM
Post by: Pops400 on November 22, 2016, 08:05:48 PM
Yes, V5'less frame is the current strategy, but will see what happens.
And yes, madness it is. But thanks to some friendly forum members I am back in the foolish plight. 25 years I've waited to ride the damn thing. Another few won't hurt. Just needed a head clear.
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on November 22, 2016, 09:13:07 PM
Post by: Pops400 on November 22, 2016, 09:52:35 PM
Post by: mike the bike on November 22, 2016, 10:59:56 PM
It's not exactly like a car where the chassis IS the car. On a bike the frame is just one component. Not the legal opinion, just mine. Go for it.
Post by: Pops400 on November 23, 2016, 07:18:54 AM
It will just have to stay parked until the right donor comes along. In the meantime I am looking through the garage for sale items to raise the cash!
Post by: petermigreen on November 23, 2016, 05:59:46 PM
Anyway, what I wanted to say is this, on at least two of the restorations I've done, there was always a problem that I thought at the time was game over or I'd just had it up to the back teeth but somehow, it all came together in the end.
I'm sure the right frame or decision will come along and, in my experience, you'll look back one day and the situation you're in now will seem quite insignificant.
If it was easy everyone would be doing it, but it isn't which is why they're not. I've often had people say to me 'wow, I just don't know how you do it' but the answer is easy. It's not necessarily technical skill that gets the job done but sheer bloody perseverance. For me that's what a restoration is about, the willingness to drag something back to it's former glory when no one else will.
I think the value of your Dad's old bike is not in pound notes but as a platform for you and your Daughter to share something special ie. the memory of your Dad and the life lessons she'll learn from watching you persevere are priceless.
Anyway, pep talk over. Crack on mate. 8)
Peter.
Post by: mike the bike on November 23, 2016, 06:04:41 PM
Post by: Tomb on November 23, 2016, 07:49:20 PM
Pity you're a distance away, I'd do it for a pack of beer.
Post by: Pops400 on November 23, 2016, 07:59:06 PM
Tomb, I have to say that if that's a genuine offer, I'd gladly take you up on it if you are a welder. I am up and down the length and breadth of the country regularly, so never many weeks away from being able to make a drop off or pick up! ;D
Hoping to get some work done at the weekend on some prepping for blasting. Maybe wheels and fork legs, not sure yet.
Post by: Tomb on November 23, 2016, 08:31:23 PM
Edited as this is Pops thread ;)
It would be a good idea to put the forks and wheels back in quickly just to check alignment before doing any frame repairs, once we're happy its good the repairs can be done. Clean everything up and slot just the forks and wheels in, don't need anything else on.
Post by: Pops400 on November 23, 2016, 08:37:13 PM
Tell you what, I'll only hold you to it if I can't find a work around before then. If I am still stuck in the spring, you've got the job, how's that. ;D
Incredibly good of you if you do manage to help. Thank you. This is quite the place I have stumbled across here. Many good people!
As an aside, I've been a regular at Santa Pod and Shakey since I was young, so would be interested in the drag bike details. I'm a Mopar man at heart.
Post by: Tomb on November 24, 2016, 09:29:36 AM
PM'd you Pop :D
Post by: Pops400 on November 24, 2016, 10:56:32 AM
Post by: Greebo on January 05, 2017, 11:38:27 AM
Finding a frame to cut is not proving easy, Mike. By the time I've looked at the cost plus getting it here, it still stacks up to money I don't have.
It will just have to stay parked until the right donor comes along. In the meantime I am looking through the garage for sale items to raise the cash!
Pops400, suggestion to raise cash, have you considered Trading Down from that New BMW super car you have... ;) ;D
Post by: Pops400 on January 05, 2017, 11:54:00 AM
Post by: Pops400 on May 31, 2021, 08:13:40 PM
Unfortunately, I have more than lost faith in this project having lost my Father and then my brother very quickly afterwards.
After a lot of soul searching, I have decided that this is not going to happen for me and is too far gone to save anyway. I don’t want a “triggers broom” and sadly there isn’t enough that I have the capability or money to save. I did get someone willing to do the frame, but sadly they have properly butchered it, so it needs more than I can justify.
I will part out what is potentially useful to people on here, as I had a lot of good advice and friendly help and would like bits to go to genuine enthusiasts, so hope to be able to post some bits for sale on here if that’s ok. Carbs, engine, maybe wheels. Not much else any use I don’t think, possibly indicators if someone wanted to try and save them.
Thank you for the help and interest shown, but my heart has been taken out of this one now.
Best wishes to everyone.
Pop.
Post by: hairygit on May 31, 2021, 08:54:01 PM
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Post by: Nurse Julie on May 31, 2021, 08:54:52 PM
It's great to hear from you again and I'm sorry you are having some big life dramas. But, being realistic is something that a lot of us ignore to our own detriment.
I hope your little daughter, Jessica if I remember correctly is OK, she was a good helper to you back at the start in her little overalls.
Take care.
Post by: philward on May 31, 2021, 09:02:47 PM
Good luck for the future
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on May 31, 2021, 10:05:16 PM
All the very best to you and your little helper!
Post by: Tomb on June 01, 2021, 11:51:23 AM
And sad about the frame being butchered, I remember I had offered to sort the frame some time ago, I feel bad now that I was unable to do it in time you needed it.
Post by: Pops400 on June 01, 2021, 11:52:08 AM
Jess is good and I’m sure will be back to it in future, as will I, but likely with a more complete project that is more viable for us. She has long since outgrown those overalls and a couple more sets, but still helps me tinker with stuff when school workloads allow.
Gutted, but it is what it is and hopefully I can move the parts on to someone who will bring them back to life
Just researching current market prices and will post engine and carbs for sale on here before I offer elsewhere.
Post by: Pops400 on June 01, 2021, 11:53:31 AM
Don’t worry, just wasn’t meant to be on this one. Appreciate your offer anyway. Hope all else is well.
Post by: Tomb on June 15, 2021, 05:05:22 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on June 19, 2021, 04:15:42 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on June 19, 2021, 05:23:24 PM
I visited Pops today and purchased some parts including an engine & carbs etc - it was tinged with sadness on hearing about Pops recent double tragedy - he is a really genuine nice bloke who also has a couple of tidy American motors so he will probably be V8 tinkering in the future rather than a tiddly sohc unit.It's nice that you were able to buy those bits Ted. I'm sure parts of Pop's bike will go on to keep other old Honda 400/4's on the road, which is great.
Post by: Pops400 on June 19, 2021, 09:32:04 PM
I’m really glad that the parts are going to someone who I know will get the best out of them and will help keep another of these cracking little bikes on the road. I’ll confess that it’s not the way I saw the journey playing out, but I never saw the bigger picture coming, so it’s next best result, for it all to go to good homes. That’s why I wanted to sell here rather than eBay.
Really good to meet you, hope it all helps your project.
I think my reality now is to buy a complete bike when the time is right and remember my Dad when I ride it. It won’t be the end of my 400/4 days. Nor Jess’s.
All the best.
Pop
Post by: allankelly1 on August 19, 2021, 07:18:02 PM
What a great thread and now pops engine has found a new home
“New heart for the old girl”
Will certainly will do it justice and if you are still about pops400 feel free to chip in on the thread
Best wishes Al
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