Post by: mickwinf on November 06, 2021, 07:54:43 PM
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Cheers
Dennis
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Post by: heli_madken on November 07, 2021, 11:25:11 PM
the sofa looked like an easier restoration
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Post by: mickwinf on November 15, 2021, 11:19:28 AM
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Post by: mickwinf on November 20, 2021, 05:11:42 PM
Post by: Bryanj on November 20, 2021, 06:21:56 PM
Pivot bushes fit hacksaw blade through the hole and cut till bush collapses, i have ocassionally had to cut 2 opposite sides of bush
Post by: mickwinf on November 20, 2021, 10:54:16 PM
Post by: mickwinf on December 28, 2021, 04:49:30 PM
Post by: Oddjob on December 28, 2021, 05:47:25 PM
I'd just buy a second hand swinging arm Mick, I'd never trust welding in that area unless the metal was brand new, the problem is you cannot see the inside of the arm which could be rusting through.
I have loads of spares for the 500 Mick, let me know if you need anything and if I have you can either have it FOC (just postage) or for a small fee if it's rare.
I have at least 2 sets of crankcases, I was going to throw them soon as the shed is coming down early next year and I'll be binning a ton of stuff, most rusty etc so probably no good but the scrapman was very interested and offered to clean the shed out for me. I threw a stack of A/F spanners/sockets out, they just get in my way.
Post by: mickwinf on December 29, 2021, 09:50:48 AM
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Post by: royhall on December 30, 2021, 10:40:27 AM
Post by: Bryanj on December 30, 2021, 02:43:37 PM
If Ken cant sort you a set i should have some somewhere
Post by: Oddjob on December 30, 2021, 03:36:33 PM
Post by: mickwinf on March 27, 2022, 07:40:08 PM
Post by: Bristolbadger on March 27, 2022, 08:29:00 PM
I'm facing a top end strip down on my 750 after a small disaster cooking my cam... this gives me momentum to get it sorted
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Post by: mickwinf on March 27, 2022, 10:48:47 PM
Post by: Oddjob on March 28, 2022, 02:37:29 PM
Post by: mickwinf on March 28, 2022, 04:28:39 PM
Post by: Oddjob on March 28, 2022, 06:36:38 PM
The hardest part to find is the middle selector fork, rare as a Stockport virgin over 13
Post by: Johnny4428 on March 28, 2022, 09:43:43 PM
The hardest part to find is the middle selector fork, rare as a Stockport virgin over 13
😂😂😂
Post by: Bryanj on March 28, 2022, 11:07:10 PM
Post by: mickwinf on March 29, 2022, 09:05:34 AM
Post by: K2-K6 on March 29, 2022, 10:03:41 AM
Chipping of teeth though is usually associated with the possibility of a bent fork, so check carefully (two gears trying to run in competition and nipping bits off) or thrust washers, circlips etc being compromised and so letting the gears float, giving a similar outcome of clashing.
Worthwhile checking all the thrusts, location (so the whole shaft can't shift sideways when the forks are used to change gear) to make sure the rebuild doesn't suffer the same.
Post by: mickwinf on March 29, 2022, 01:14:28 PM
Post by: Oddjob on March 29, 2022, 04:22:07 PM
Post by: Bryanj on March 29, 2022, 04:49:01 PM
Post by: mickwinf on April 02, 2022, 05:24:26 PM
Post by: Oddjob on April 02, 2022, 07:32:28 PM
Countershaft 4th and 5th. I'll have a look at the NOS ones to see how they look and then see about seeing what else I have.
Post by: Oddjob on April 21, 2022, 03:00:21 PM
First off, found a gearchange shaft, will clean it up and inspect it but looks ok at first glance, I know I still have another in another box as I keep moving it to get to smaller pieces. So I'll have at least one good one, hopefully.
No 12 on the diagram is Countershaft top gear, 23491-286-030, I have 1 of those, it's still on the shaft so I'll need to remove the 2 gears in front of it to remove it but looks ok. Will clean and check. Almost certainly another in my other gearbox box but will check this one out first. I also have a spare NOS one for some reason.
No 10 on the diagram is Countershaft Fourth, 23471-286-010. This is the one I believe that Bryan was referring to as I had to buy both itself and the matching gear Countershaft Low, 23420-323-010. This may be because this gear was superceded from 23420-323-000 which was only fitted to the K0 version of the 500. So it could have had a possible problem when the K0 came out which was rectified in the K1 onward. As both of my spare boxes are from K1's it shouldn't be a problem. I have 2 of 23471-286-010 and 2 of 23420-323-000. One has the removable bush missing but yours should still have it. Need to clean and inspect all of the 4 gears before saying they are ok to use.
I'll let you know the result after the cleaning and inspecting process. Most important that gears are ok as any breakages etc are a bugger to fix after the engines installed.
Post by: mickwinf on April 21, 2022, 10:45:43 PM
Post by: Oddjob on April 22, 2022, 12:26:43 AM
Gearchange shaft, the one I found today I gave up on. The end that goes in the clutch case was perfect, lovely condition, the shaft though was really rusty and I was concerned the it would bugger up the oil seal. That saying where the seal sat looked ok but the rest of the shaft has to pass through the seal before it gets fully into place. So whilst I haven't binned it I looked for the other one. That was the opposite, shaft really nice, bit of corrosion but nothing too bad. The other end though was rusty as hell. Took me a couple of hours to get it to look nice again. Checked everything and can find no faults. Splines for gear lever are great, tested with a lever I'm currently working on and it just slid on and even without a pinch bolt it wouldn't slip. The large spring is still soaking but is good, so I'll refit that as soon as I've cleaned it.
(https://i.postimg.cc/W3MjMjRk/IMG-2597.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Q9xR32d8)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Kjf2HN8c/IMG-2598.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wR1ZtDNn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/HkRCRjdM/IMG-2599.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zyCMRzLD)
Next item. No 12 or 23491-286-030. Removed it from the shaft, really starting to hate those odd circlips, even with decent Snap On circlip pliers as soon as you expand the clip it twists round and won't come off. The gear wasn't too bad, fair amount of rust but surface type in general. Cleaned and inspected, cannot find any fault with it, all teeth good, no chips, dogs in good nick. Came out pretty good as well. Looks almost new.
(https://i.postimg.cc/VspBS8fR/IMG-2594.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DmQbDRbJ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/D0JrCCgL/IMG-2595.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BP3PbBRn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/nL9nhB0T/IMG-2596.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z9mGfBky)
Post by: Laverdaroo on April 22, 2022, 12:31:07 AM
Post by: Oddjob on April 22, 2022, 12:51:15 AM
No 10 gear or 23471-286-010. I found 2 of those but gave up on 1 as it was a little too rusty and it wasn't worth the effort to clean it as I suspected it may fail after a few years of use. It was marginal and if the part was really really rare and unobtainable I'd have used it but it's not so in the bin it goes. The other wasn't anywhere near as bad to start with and after cleaning and inspecting I can find no faults. All gear teeth ok, no chips or signs of uneven wear, Both sets of dogs are good.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Rh5qdTVb/IMG-2591.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JDx14ZXb)
(https://i.postimg.cc/hGYXznFn/IMG-2592.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XZwjmT71)
(https://i.postimg.cc/XYQGWFQp/IMG-2593.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QFKxkBL3)
So those are the 3 items you want BUT as Bryan says gear No 10 usually comes supplied with gear No 5 as No 5 was changed after the K0. Here's the complicated bit. I found 2 No 5 gears 23420-323-010 or so I thought. One still had the bronze bush inside it, the other didn't. They look identical but on closer inspection and only because I'm a perfectionist did I spot this. After cleaning them both up I was wondering which to offer you, both came out great, no damage. However the one with the bronze bush still installed was bugging me as it wasn't fully driven home. Tried to move it, nope. Stuck hard. Got the old Mapp gas torch out and heated it up. Tried to tap it out, nope. So using the other one as a test sample I found a socket to drive the bush out, wasn't a great fit but it would do. Took it back to the vice and strangely the socket is now too big, odd. Another smaller socket found and more heat and out she popped, promptly rolled off across the garage and hid itself whilst gently steaming at the same time. Went to pick it up, forgot it was mad hot and burnt my fingers, suitable swear words later and back to the vice it goes. Only when this bush is removed does it become apparent the 2 gears are very slightly different. Out with my NOS gear complete with part label and it's clear the one I've just removed the bush from is not 23420-323-010 but 23420-323-000. So it's from a K0 engine, most likely the same engine as the cases are that your having. This is really odd as to my knowledge I have never broken a K0 and there weren't that many around to break anyway, yet I have 2 sets of engine cases both beginning with a 1 not a 2 like the K1. I did buy a few spare engines back in the day and acquired a few more when my family was also buying 500 engines for their bikes.
So here's what they look like. 000 first. You can see a small lip on the central boss.
(https://i.postimg.cc/L819C1wc/IMG-2587.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZWJz0CTH)
010. No lip, smooth straight through hole.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FKX92KQ7/IMG-2588.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RWG5t4hB)
The other bush is like a top hat on 010, I used the bush out of my NOS one to show the difference.
(https://i.postimg.cc/J00mbDjd/IMG-2589.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vgJpymqW)
(https://i.postimg.cc/L5WSv9T4/IMG-2590.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p5K3Lt43)
So to put this simply, you need to find out which of the 2 types you currently have. Does it have a top hat bush which comes out easily and is therefore a 010 or a pressed home bush like 000. It's the large gear next to the needle roller on the countershaft.
Oh 1 last thing, the little dots etc you can see on the gears are not rust spots or pits, they are just the way they are cast, it's not a smooth surface by any means.
Post by: mickwinf on April 22, 2022, 03:38:59 PM
Post by: mickwinf on April 24, 2022, 01:09:58 PM
Post by: Oddjob on April 24, 2022, 02:43:49 PM
I cleaned up the countershaft, mine also has some corrosion on it, it's marginal as to being reused. The bearing, yep that's ok, cleaned it up, filled it with silicon oil and bagged it up in a sealable plastic bag along with the O-Ring and the collar. Almost certainly got another shaft somewhere, will take a look.
When you say gears are perfect, you mean the ones I posted pics of or the ones you have, wording is confusing me.
Wonder what happened with the gearbox you've got, seems a lot of damage going on it there. I'd inspect the main shaft as well Mick, check all gears etc if a countershaft gear goes it can take the corresponding gear with it.
Make a list of everything you need and I'll trawl through my box of bits and see what I can dig up.
Good news is that I found the top hat bush, I didn't spot it hiding in the bottom of the box, there were 2 mainshafts in the and quite a few of the gears. I looks like there were 2 complete gearboxes in there at one time. Will check the other bin I keep gearbox parts in and see if there is another countershaft in there.
Post by: mickwinf on April 24, 2022, 03:48:25 PM
Post by: mickwinf on April 24, 2022, 05:04:34 PM
Post by: Oddjob on April 24, 2022, 07:55:47 PM
It cost £5.50 and I ordered 2 so I could test them. Will let you know when it arrives, same make as the Honda one, Koyo.
Checked the other box and nothing of use. It was this box I emptied of most of the gearbox bits as they were getting on my nerves.
The other alternative is to wait for me top split my engine and we'll see what the box is like in that. I'll be fitting my NOS gearbox in it's entirety so that box will be going spare. No idea when I'll get round to breaking then engine but some time this summer I'd imagine.
The mainshaft gear 3/2nd. I presume that's the double sliding gear, if so I spotted 2 of those in the first box. Might have a decent right hand selector, 24211-323-000, will have a look. That's the only part I'm missing for a complete NOS gearbox, I keep spotting them but they are always too dear. I was thinking of going with the Italian alternative where they make new selectors which are supposed to be better than the Honda ones, should have bought them before Br-----T though.
Post by: Oddjob on April 25, 2022, 02:23:09 PM
Post by: mickwinf on April 25, 2022, 04:34:45 PM
Post by: Oddjob on April 25, 2022, 06:05:30 PM
We are talking about the metal bracket coming off the tube that holds the fork ends BTW.
All my left hand ones are really good.
I contacted the Italian people today asking for a price for all 3 selectors, they are 450 euros for all 3 but they offered me all 3 for 375 a few years ago. I'm seeing if they'll still do the same deal. If they do I'll sell my NOS forks, the middle fork is the rarest and can fetch close to £200 alone, the left hand one is around £100-120. So if I sell those it almost covers the cost of the new ones.
2/3rd gears are soaking in brake cleaner, we'll see what they look like shortly.
I've often wondered why the needle rollers are different on the 2 shafts, one has them captive in a cage and the other has loose rollers yet both are the same size.
Post by: mickwinf on April 26, 2022, 10:38:42 PM
Post by: K2-K6 on April 26, 2022, 10:49:50 PM
More load and lower speed favours crowded (rollers next to each other) and higher shaft speed ordinarily heads toward single rollers spaced individually in their cage.
Logic would say the clutch shaft has crowded, with the remote shaft using singular rollers. I don't know which orientation they are in this engine.
Post by: Oddjob on April 26, 2022, 10:55:16 PM
Normally there is one roller bearing where the rollers just fall out when you remove the bearing from the shaft and the other which doesn't. Normally have to use grease on the loose roller type to keep them in.
Post by: K2-K6 on April 26, 2022, 11:05:06 PM
So then looks logically opposite to my previous view.
500 is crank, chain reduction, jack reduction to clutch, clutch shaft to output shaft.
750 is crank, chain reduction to clutch direct, clutch shaft to output shaft, then another reduction to sprocket output.
Think that's how they both go.
Post by: mickwinf on May 01, 2022, 02:00:42 PM
Post by: Oddjob on May 01, 2022, 02:09:21 PM
Currently I have
2/3rd gear, mainshaft. Not pristine but ok. Some wear showing on the teeth faces but nothing out of the ordinary.
Gear change shaft, complete with spring. Check spring positioning as I forgot which way it went on, 50% chance of being right.
No 10 gear, good condition.
No 12 gear, good condition
No 5 gear, complete with bush, if required.
Countershaft bearing, seems fine.
Countershaft collar, not perfect but should be ok.
Got 2 new needle roller cages on the way, not sure if they'll be the same but worth a look. The outer bearing housing should clean up, it's only the internals which wear as a rule.
Have I missed anything?
Post by: mickwinf on May 04, 2022, 08:14:42 PM
Post by: Oddjob on May 04, 2022, 11:45:28 PM
Forgot to add, crankcases of course.
No charge Mick, you can pay for petrol if we meet up.
Post by: mickwinf on May 05, 2022, 09:42:38 AM
Post by: mickwinf on June 25, 2022, 09:52:00 AM
Post by: Bryanj on June 25, 2022, 10:09:58 AM
Post by: Johnny4428 on June 25, 2022, 11:02:20 AM
Post by: Seabeowner on June 25, 2022, 07:46:31 PM
One interesting thing is i got a gasket set from a different supplier than silvers as they were out of stock, and it did include the rubber pucks which are normally extra.Yep, I've had three sets of 500 and three sets of 550. Various makes. 500s all had them.
Post by: mickwinf on June 28, 2022, 05:05:25 PM
Post by: Sesman on June 28, 2022, 05:09:32 PM
Post by: Bryanj on June 28, 2022, 05:17:35 PM
Post by: Oddjob on June 28, 2022, 10:09:54 PM
Post by: mickwinf on June 28, 2022, 10:31:54 PM
Post by: Sesman on June 29, 2022, 07:42:02 AM
Post by: Trigger on June 29, 2022, 07:46:36 AM
Which bit are we talking about please. You have me worried as I don’t recollect seeing this in my rebuild….☹️
The engine in this thread is a CB500 Four and not a CB550 ;)
Post by: Sesman on June 29, 2022, 10:39:57 AM
Post by: mickwinf on July 31, 2022, 12:35:10 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on July 31, 2022, 01:08:56 PM
Were your conrods nice & clean where the shells sit? The tolerances are very close on these Hondas.
Post by: mickwinf on July 31, 2022, 01:41:21 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on July 31, 2022, 02:48:09 PM
The bare rods seemed ok but will check. Interestingly, i was very careful to put the rod caps on the correct way round as per the manual, with the notch on the shell to the exhaust side of the engine and the markings on the side of the rods lined up. I removed the offending rod and re-assembled on the bench and the ends of the shells even by eye looked un even. I put it back on the engine and turned the cap round the "wrong" way, and hey presto a smooth turning rod. What do i do now, was it a fault from new? should i get another rod?
IIRC my 400 has the notches on the same side that has always seemed odd to me but I went by the manual & the original fittment.
Have you Plasigauged the bearing in question?
Not sure if its a tad tight on the bearing size or you have some ovalation on the conrod. I guess accurate measurement is needed.
Post by: Oddjob on July 31, 2022, 03:12:21 PM
Got 2 550 engines earlier this week. Both minus gearboxes and essentially just cases, cranks and primary drive. The clutches were also there but seperate as were the generators etc.
One set of cases still had the barrels on, fins chipped to hell and back, I presumed that the barrels were bonded to the cases so made plans to remove them. Couple of hefty whacks with a rubber hammer and up they popped, some wiggling (and this was them in a large crate in the back of my car) and eventually the barrels came off. Good news I thought except I now noticed that number 2 rod was seized, removed the psitons, top case off (no bolts were fitted) and turned the crank around until I could access the 2 rod bolts. Removed the nuts and split the rod, the oil gallery in the crank feeding that journal was completely blocked with solid white powder, the crank still looked ok, the shells weren't marked but they were contaminated. I got the powder out by just sliding a 3mm drill down and spinning it by hand. I can't think what caused this, it could be water ingress or condensation or something else. I may remove the ball bearings capping the internal oil galleries and running a 3.5mm drill down them or I may try and see if a bottle brush and some brake cleaner will do the trick.
So check the oil gallery opening on that journal, maybe there's a small amount of stuff just sticking up and that's catching the shell, if you've tried yellow and it's still sticking it's not a shell selection issue. Check the rod journal surface for any dents that would reduce the clearance.
Have you tried another rod on that journal?
Post by: mickwinf on July 31, 2022, 04:10:52 PM
Post by: Bryanj on July 31, 2022, 05:07:55 PM
Post by: mickwinf on July 31, 2022, 05:22:38 PM
Post by: Bryanj on July 31, 2022, 06:44:22 PM
Post by: Bryanj on July 31, 2022, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: mickwinf on August 08, 2022, 11:35:49 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 08, 2022, 11:40:45 AM
Post by: mickwinf on August 12, 2022, 01:14:57 PM
Post by: Oddjob on August 12, 2022, 01:47:44 PM
Post by: mickwinf on August 12, 2022, 03:53:43 PM
Post by: Oddjob on August 12, 2022, 04:23:53 PM
I may have a decent stud lying around.
Post by: mickwinf on August 13, 2022, 04:33:09 PM
Post by: Oddjob on August 13, 2022, 06:13:16 PM
Did you assemble the engine in the top case or the bottom case?
Post by: Bryanj on August 13, 2022, 07:41:39 PM
Post by: mickwinf on August 13, 2022, 10:55:57 PM
Post by: Oddjob on August 13, 2022, 11:29:32 PM
Post by: mickwinf on August 15, 2022, 08:56:54 AM
Post by: Oddjob on August 15, 2022, 12:55:54 PM
Post by: mickwinf on August 15, 2022, 01:07:16 PM
Post by: Oddjob on August 15, 2022, 01:17:56 PM
I have some of those bolts spare I think, measure one and I'll see if the 550 ones are the same.
Post by: mickwinf on August 21, 2022, 04:57:34 PM
Post by: Oddjob on August 21, 2022, 05:34:33 PM
Post by: mickwinf on August 24, 2022, 05:09:33 PM
Post by: Oddjob on August 24, 2022, 07:15:37 PM
Check these pics out and you can see exactly how it's supposed to go.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304152817976?epid=1448046328&hash=item46d0ebb138:g:YQsAAOSwg~lhHSnd&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoIseFkLImPs59nIiXYeT68BoZX6wtAby2LjaSf5DLdGPPaFjYbg%2B6iwc%2FqiJT3sBM5Sg5EodT9l%2FC6sDlWMMT3VCBtpRTTGXeAme2ZxeguvqSfz2sp4BYchB6M7NgwKk%2FCnGz%2BPtILF%2FDap9CBqnip9Tm704RgBvqIi9UC1UVOH41TMnlSba4PoeMBdSKXHgEMAKc%2B3Z7R7H5QHwkQFFAQI%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-i6g5HaYA
Post by: mickwinf on August 24, 2022, 09:02:21 PM
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Post by: Bryanj on September 04, 2022, 07:18:14 PM
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Post by: Laverdaroo on October 22, 2022, 02:19:19 PM
Philpotts are fantastic arent they? It's always been the hassle free bit of any resto Ive ever had a carck at, is brilliant. Like you say, they come get them, fettle them and then send em back with minimum fuss and dont seem to baulk at the things they get to work on, especially the sh!te I've sent them in the passed!!
Used them several times in the passed and if memory serves they did the forks on my LC350 when I was 18........I'm 49 now so just goes to show, good business's tend to stay around dont they?
Post by: Oddjob on October 22, 2022, 02:37:15 PM
Post by: mickwinf on October 22, 2022, 03:03:25 PM
Post by: Oddjob on October 22, 2022, 03:20:55 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 22, 2022, 05:13:09 PM
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Post by: Oddjob on October 22, 2022, 05:22:03 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 22, 2022, 05:30:27 PM
The chap who helps oout here had a personal best here last week...............8'6"...Yikes, thats quite a beast!
No pictures sadly!
Post by: mickwinf on November 05, 2022, 02:55:14 PM
Post by: Bryanj on November 05, 2022, 04:33:34 PM
Post by: mickwinf on January 01, 2023, 03:49:33 PM
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Post by: mickwinf on February 25, 2023, 09:16:02 AM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 25, 2023, 09:43:30 AM
It will be interesting to see how the frame turns out. I believe there are very good primer filler coats that can hide pitting when using ordinary paint so the primer p/c route should work for you.
FWIW my 400 frame was a tad thick on the powder coating - they managed to completely obscure any sign of the stamped frame number so it hid all the pitting marks.
My 500 frame was powder coated by a different firm clearly much thinner coating - I can still see the frame number by comparison to the above.
Post by: Sesman on February 25, 2023, 09:44:29 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on February 25, 2023, 11:56:24 AM
Post by: Oddjob on February 25, 2023, 12:36:29 PM
Post by: Sesman on February 25, 2023, 01:35:14 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 25, 2023, 02:27:01 PM
Post by: Oddjob on February 25, 2023, 02:34:09 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 25, 2023, 09:47:07 PM
IndexTripleS featured in loads of magazines who used him for their projects. Never heard a bad word said about his work.
So just how expensive are TripleS then ?
Post by: Sesman on February 25, 2023, 10:35:40 PM
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Post by: andy120t on February 26, 2023, 02:12:48 PM
Post by: Oddjob on February 26, 2023, 02:31:54 PM
Mick, I cannot stress this enough, the frame is critical, some powder coaters are cowboys more used to doing park benches where the finish doesn't really matter, they can use sand instead of grit or beads, they can leave blasting media in all the threads holes, the media they use can hole frames sometimes if it's really aggressive. Use a powder coater who knows bikes, who knows what to do and how to get the best results. It's a very costly mistake to go for cheapness or because it's handy.
Phil, did you have yours done in Satin? I always choose gloss for frames, it's what on there originally and IMO it's the best finish for a frame. Seen a frame at TripleS done in Candy Blue, god it looked awesome. His Candy Red is awesome as well, I had some brake calipers for my Astra done in Candy Red and they still looked great 15 years later.
(https://i.postimg.cc/W10hxVw4/Red-Rear-Calipers3.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/DyXZbhDc/Red-Rear-Calipers1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
TripleS used to have a price list on site but they seem to have removed it, a 500 frame was around £150 last time I checked. https://triple-s.co.uk/
Check out the gallery.
Ted, I've asked TripleS for a price for a frame, he used to do the swinging arm FOC if it was the same colour but he seems to have stopped that in recent years, when he replies I'll let you know.
Post by: Sesman on February 26, 2023, 03:03:15 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 26, 2023, 03:04:43 PM
FWIW there is a frame on DK site if yours is not okay - he has three atm.
.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354097119431?hash=item5271d540c7:g:xrkAAOSwVQZjT9j9
Post by: Laverdaroo on February 26, 2023, 03:26:45 PM
The wheels are shocking too aren't they but after refurbing some as bad for the 400, it's surprising what you end up with and I have no doubt that they'll look the biz when done Mick. Really looking forward to seeing those laced and the frame coated up. I'm with Ken on the 'get somone who know's bikes' to do it for you, saves a lot of money in the long run and means there arent any disapointments along the way. Nothing worse than receiving something that doesn't equal what you had in your head or were expecting!
The chap in Bristol who I use bunged every hole, inserted bolts in threads and those he didnt have sizes for he filled with 'Rock wool' durimg the process, not seen that before but worked a treat and dead simple to clean out leaving zero crap behind. Clever!
She's getting there MIck, keep at it buddy, she'll be ace when you've finished her.
Post by: Sesman on February 26, 2023, 03:39:27 PM
Post by: mickwinf on February 26, 2023, 03:59:52 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 26, 2023, 04:20:26 PM
Post by: Oddjob on February 28, 2023, 10:45:45 AM
Post by: mickwinf on April 02, 2023, 11:18:46 AM
Post by: mickwinf on April 02, 2023, 11:27:50 AM
Post by: mickwinf on April 02, 2023, 11:43:51 AM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on April 02, 2023, 12:09:11 PM
Post by: Oddjob on April 02, 2023, 03:27:54 PM
Few questions, the chain adjuster have odd marks on them, is that reflection or a result of having them re-chromed? One of the bolts at the top is different, I presume the rest are number plate bracket bolts but one has a much longer shoulder, clutch lever pivot bolt? I've had a few of those parts done myself in the past, the rear brake spring will crack the chrome off I'm afraid, chrome doesn't like flexing much, keep an eye on it.
Done the brake rod as well, I'd suggest finding a stainless steel spring and adjuster nut on Ebay, they are available, the nut will lose the chrome as you use a spanner on it, chips the edges, same applies to the spring as the front spring, cracks off. I paired my brake rod with a chrome torque arm as well, looked really trick. Doing it again this time except the rear brake rod is stainless this time, if you haven't got those stainless bolts off the seller on the forum (Mark?) I'd advise doing that. Really nice job he made of them. Saves more rust.
Impressed Mick, it's coming along nicely.
You been grinding the edges of those parts to remove the cast marks Mick? the rear brake pivot pin is really nicely done and I know how poor those edges are, chrome just doesn't like sticking to such poor casting.
Post by: mickwinf on April 02, 2023, 04:22:00 PM
Post by: mickwinf on April 02, 2023, 04:24:43 PM
Post by: Bryanj on April 02, 2023, 05:02:01 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on April 02, 2023, 07:18:58 PM
You may have a problem getting that plated brake pivot through the frame mount
I could not get my spare brake pivot (came with the return spring) to fit into the frame on my 500 with just a tickle of spray paint on it to stop corrosion!
Post by: Oddjob on April 02, 2023, 10:14:26 PM
The bolts in question Mick were the 2 bolts which hold the torque arm to the bike, special one that runs through the brake plate and the one whihc runs through the flange on the swinging arm, they were made by a member on here called Max, AMX1992
http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,28777.msg272459.html#msg272459
He's still around, really good quality as well.
Oh IIRC he also did my rear wheel spacers as well Mick, the one inside the sprocket cover and the one next to the brake plate. Well worth dropping him a PM.
Oh BTW, you reminded me that I was restoring a set of chain adjusters some months ago, they were pretty bad, lots of pits etc, came off the bike that I'm doing now and are the original ones that came with the bike, found them again, luckily I'd stored them in a sealed plastic bag but they were still a little rusty after being stripped of chrome and ground to remove the pits, I've now finished one and the other is 95% done, just removing the pits now from the inner surface, not sure why I'm bothering TBH as I'll paint that surface with zinc paint when they are plated so they don't rust anymore but might as well do a good job whilst I'm doing them. They've come out really nice, no more pits and lovely and shiny, they were so bad I just bought 2 news ones to fit but I might as well sell those now. Been busy all week getting steel parts ready for the chromers, just done the torque arm, the front mudguard brace, the horn cover, the chain adjusters and halfway through doing a CB550F chain guard, I prefer the chrome look to that awful plastic one the 500 got, fits the swinging arm if you drill an extra hole in the rear fork area where the axle fits. I usually cut off the middle mount for the 500 chain guard as it's no longer needed. Still got a couple of grab rails to do, some speedo/tacho dishes and possibly my spare swinging arm, was chromed before and I liked the look of it.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on April 02, 2023, 10:35:06 PM
Post by: mickwinf on April 02, 2023, 10:44:50 PM
Post by: mickwinf on April 12, 2023, 06:06:58 PM
Post by: Oddjob on April 12, 2023, 07:01:26 PM
The engine bolts look to be made by Middletons Mick, is that correct?
Post by: Nurse Julie on April 12, 2023, 08:17:19 PM
Post by: Sesman on April 12, 2023, 08:32:52 PM
Post by: mickwinf on April 12, 2023, 08:44:38 PM
Post by: Bryanj on April 12, 2023, 08:57:06 PM
Post by: K2-K6 on April 12, 2023, 09:37:09 PM
Nice work all round.
Post by: Oddjob on April 12, 2023, 09:37:52 PM
Post by: mickwinf on April 16, 2023, 12:43:42 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on April 16, 2023, 12:47:41 PM
Post by: mickwinf on April 16, 2023, 01:15:09 PM
Post by: mickwinf on April 16, 2023, 01:18:36 PM
Post by: mickwinf on April 16, 2023, 01:19:22 PM
Post by: Spitfire on April 16, 2023, 02:17:47 PM
Cheers
Dennis
Post by: Oddjob on April 16, 2023, 03:13:01 PM
Coming along nicely though Mick.
Post by: Sesman on April 16, 2023, 05:15:14 PM
Post by: Bryanj on April 16, 2023, 05:27:06 PM
Reminde me what year it is and what colour you are doing it, will tell you why later
Post by: Laverdaroo on April 16, 2023, 07:02:58 PM
Incredibly resto and as Phil said,one for the record books, unbelievable job. Huge well done, you must be pleased as punch. I would be
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Post by: mickwinf on May 14, 2023, 05:41:50 PM
Post by: mickwinf on May 14, 2023, 05:50:16 PM
Post by: royhall on May 14, 2023, 05:57:58 PM
Post by: Johnny4428 on May 14, 2023, 07:10:00 PM
Some more progress, fitting various smaller parts to frame and now had new tyres fitted so starting to look like a bike again. Anyone else hate fitting tyres? I always take them to a bile shop as I hate it so much!Hate it too Mick! Gave up on it after putting a small scratch in a new rim!😡
Post by: Oddjob on May 14, 2023, 07:57:05 PM
Coming on really well though Mick, you should be justifiably proud.
Post by: mickwinf on May 14, 2023, 11:22:33 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on May 14, 2023, 11:29:21 PM
What size are your rear rims are they 185 x 18 or wider do you know what the width of the rear collars were?
Post by: mickwinf on May 27, 2023, 03:08:09 PM
Post by: Bryanj on May 27, 2023, 04:05:45 PM
Then you can push the base in with one hand leaving the other to try and recrimp the ring
Post by: mickwinf on May 27, 2023, 04:23:44 PM
Post by: Bryanj on May 27, 2023, 04:56:41 PM
Post by: mickwinf on May 29, 2023, 05:23:28 PM
Post by: mickwinf on May 29, 2023, 05:26:33 PM
Post by: Oddjob on May 29, 2023, 07:42:43 PM
Post by: Bryanj on May 29, 2023, 10:12:08 PM
Post by: mickwinf on May 29, 2023, 11:10:48 PM
Post by: mickwinf on July 01, 2023, 04:08:10 PM
Post by: Oddjob on July 01, 2023, 04:23:17 PM
P, Lo, Hi is correct as the On/Off is controlled by the extra switch on the bars the K1 was fitted with.
The only way to remove the kill switch plate is to desolder the connections. Then resolder when cleaned up.
Post by: Oddjob on July 01, 2023, 04:25:01 PM
Post by: Bryanj on July 01, 2023, 05:14:59 PM
I think the original RH switch had a line between P and Lo which was actualy the off position, which is why a lot of people fitted the circular on/off to the lh side so that things didnt go dark when dipping
Post by: mickwinf on July 01, 2023, 06:34:04 PM
Post by: Oddjob on July 01, 2023, 08:38:04 PM
Before picThe bottom pic on that post shows 550 switchgear Mick.
I think the original RH switch had a line between P and Lo which was actually the off position, which is why a lot of people fitted the circular on/off to the lh side so that things didnt go dark when dipping
Only true on the K0 Bryan, the K1 came equipped with the on/off separate switch and they ditched the ability of the R/H switch to turn then lights off.
Post by: mickwinf on July 20, 2023, 05:29:03 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 20, 2023, 05:32:03 PM
Post by: taysidedragon on July 20, 2023, 05:40:07 PM
Post by: Johnny4428 on July 20, 2023, 05:55:13 PM
managed to get a rh switch of the correct type, but thought i would sort the sump out as the one i had vapour blasted turned out to have a crack at the drain plug, probably caused by over tightening. I have a spare which i think is the original Lazarus one because it has a welded repair in the exact same place. As it looked solid I decided to use it but did a bit of grinding and sanding to make it look better. Now fitted so fill up with oil, now why is oil leaking all over? Oh S##t i forgot the sump plug! What an idiot! 2 ltrs of oil oll over my bench and the floor, what a mess. Will I now be struck off from the SOHC forum or be demoted from expert to newby, or a new category of F-in idiot?OK Mick, you have qualified for idiot of the day for that one! But don’t worry it will be someone else tomorrow! But will we own up? 🤣🤣
Post by: Bryanj on July 20, 2023, 10:55:35 PM
We all done it sometime, same as starting a 500 with alternator cover off and searching for the plug in the oil slick!
Post by: davidcumbria on July 21, 2023, 08:15:36 AM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on July 21, 2023, 09:40:38 AM
I'd drained the ATF into a waste oil container so had to buy some very expensive Nissan only ATF.
Post by: mickwinf on July 26, 2023, 11:27:31 PM
Post by: Trigger on July 26, 2023, 11:42:56 PM
So continuing with the electrics I have a new battery fitted and starting to connect things up. Not fully assembling for now but checking everything works. I have starter motor, front lights and idiot lights all OK. I tried turning engine over to see if oil pressure light went off but not yet. I recall some discussion about priming the oil pump? Not ready for starting yet as cards need rebuild but getting there slowly. Oh has anyone got a spare positive battery lead for sale as mine is wrong.
you should not need to prime a 500 or 550 pump Mick. ;)
Post by: Bryanj on July 27, 2023, 05:02:23 AM
Post by: Sesman on July 27, 2023, 07:09:10 AM
Post by: Johnny4428 on July 27, 2023, 07:21:17 AM
Post by: mickwinf on July 27, 2023, 08:06:27 AM
Post by: Sesman on July 27, 2023, 11:32:46 AM
Post by: K2-K6 on July 27, 2023, 01:57:30 PM
So continuing with the electrics I have a new battery fitted and starting to connect things up. Not fully assembling for now but checking everything works. I have starter motor, front lights and idiot lights all OK. I tried turning engine over to see if oil pressure light went off but not yet. I recall some discussion about priming the oil pump? Not ready for starting yet as cards need rebuild but getting there slowly. Oh has anyone got a spare positive battery lead for sale as mine is wrong.
Take the oil filter off and crank it first, if it doesn't come through there from pump it won't be anywhere else either.
Sometimes, when assembled (engines in general) with assembly oil in components around the motor, it makes a pretty effective seal to give an air lock for a while.
Getting it fully through the pump head and to the filter chamber as verified will usually bring it up slmost instantly with filter and housing back in place.
Post by: Trigger on July 27, 2023, 02:05:36 PM
Post by: mickwinf on July 27, 2023, 02:16:27 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on July 27, 2023, 02:59:07 PM
After that first cranking the oil light went out pretty much immediately using the starter motor - again with no spark plugs fitted.
Thereafter I could get the oil light to go out with no plugs fitted using one stroke of the kickstart - standing overnight might take a second kick.
Post by: Oddjob on July 27, 2023, 03:06:02 PM
Post by: mickwinf on July 29, 2023, 01:33:12 PM
Post by: Seabeowner on July 29, 2023, 07:23:03 PM
Post by: mickwinf on July 29, 2023, 10:50:48 PM
Post by: Trigger on July 30, 2023, 08:25:07 AM
Post by: Trigger on July 30, 2023, 10:08:59 AM
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Post by: mickwinf on July 30, 2023, 12:01:54 PM
Post by: mickwinf on August 05, 2023, 03:27:59 PM
Post by: Oddjob on August 05, 2023, 03:31:12 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 06, 2023, 11:03:02 AM
Thanks to Trigger and seabeowner I have re-routed the main harness to the correct position and fits much better. In that same area, the leads that supply the points and rear brakelight switch, do they go over the airbox then down the other side frame tube?. I have re-wrapped parts of the loom so all looking tidy now, and connected the rear light and indicators and started to paint the handlebar switches, etc but the headlamp shell has reacted to the paint so will have to re do it or use another one I have. Also found a positive battery lead of the correct type in my electrics box so fitted that. Feels like I am getting there but slowly, He will live again.
If you have taken a photo of your correct wiring harness route that would be handy for when I fit mine if you could post it here or send me a copy by e-mail if you want to avoid full scrutiny.
Post by: mickwinf on August 14, 2023, 06:04:32 PM
Post by: Oddjob on August 14, 2023, 06:47:47 PM
Post by: Trigger on August 14, 2023, 07:01:48 PM
Still working on electrics, most things back in place. I am using some indicators i have in my spares, just picking the best condition ones to use for now. Does anyone rechrome indicator bodies or would it be easier/better/cheaper to buy from silvers.
They don't re chrome well Mick. Part number 33401-292-003 has now been superseded to 33401-341-701 and Sliver is not cheap at nearly £ 30 per base ;)
Post by: mickwinf on August 19, 2023, 12:04:57 PM
Post by: Trigger on August 19, 2023, 12:53:47 PM
Post by: mickwinf on August 19, 2023, 03:46:35 PM
Post by: Johnny4428 on August 19, 2023, 05:31:28 PM
Post by: mickwinf on August 23, 2023, 04:33:35 PM
Post by: Oddjob on August 23, 2023, 04:58:23 PM
Harder to write than it is to do.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 23, 2023, 05:17:57 PM
Post by: mickwinf on August 23, 2023, 06:32:38 PM
Post by: Trigger on August 23, 2023, 07:34:50 PM
Post by: Oddjob on August 23, 2023, 09:25:25 PM
Post by: Oddjob on August 24, 2023, 04:36:41 AM
Post by: mickwinf on August 24, 2023, 01:39:38 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 24, 2023, 02:06:10 PM
Well i have found the problm, it turned out to be the new cable of all things. The plastic liner was damaged and was not allowing the clutch mech to release and I didn't spot it as it was hidden under the rubber boot inside the cover. Will order a new one and keep plodding on. Thanks for the advice guys.oh what route should cable take is pic correct?
When you say "hidden under the rubber boot inside the cover" I'm not sure I fully understand what you are saying - is there some sort of boot between the end of the clutch cable and the inside of the cover?
Post by: Trigger on August 24, 2023, 02:14:08 PM
Well i have found the problm, it turned out to be the new cable of all things. The plastic liner was damaged and was not allowing the clutch mech to release and I didn't spot it as it was hidden under the rubber boot inside the cover. Will order a new one and keep plodding on. Thanks for the advice guys.oh what route should cable take is pic correct?
Sometimes it is just the simplest things ;)
Post by: mickwinf on August 24, 2023, 02:32:41 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 24, 2023, 07:28:18 PM
Post by: mickwinf on September 03, 2023, 02:35:52 PM
Post by: Trigger on September 03, 2023, 02:52:38 PM
Post by: mickwinf on September 03, 2023, 04:08:22 PM
Post by: Bryanj on September 03, 2023, 04:30:40 PM
Post by: mickwinf on September 03, 2023, 05:20:57 PM
Post by: mickwinf on September 05, 2023, 05:44:02 PM
Post by: Trigger on September 05, 2023, 11:44:36 PM
Post by: mickwinf on September 09, 2023, 09:10:01 AM
If i do start it I will try to video it for your entertainment!
Post by: Trigger on September 09, 2023, 10:56:16 AM
Post by: Johnny4428 on September 09, 2023, 11:24:40 AM
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Post by: Bryanj on September 10, 2023, 04:58:31 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 10, 2023, 05:02:08 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on September 10, 2023, 05:10:45 PM
Post by: Trigger on September 10, 2023, 05:15:59 PM
Post by: royhall on September 10, 2023, 05:17:31 PM
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Post by: philward on September 10, 2023, 05:35:35 PM
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Post by: mickwinf on September 10, 2023, 05:46:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOScVJ4W2fs
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Post by: Laverda Dave on September 10, 2023, 06:29:15 PM
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Post by: Bryanj on September 10, 2023, 07:04:51 PM
Post by: K2-K6 on September 10, 2023, 07:28:51 PM
Amazed at your tenacious working through, from what was quite a state originally.
Post by: Johnny4428 on September 10, 2023, 08:15:23 PM
Post by: davidcumbria on September 10, 2023, 08:19:32 PM
Great to have this result after all your hours of work
David
Post by: Trigger on September 10, 2023, 11:25:25 PM
managed to put on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOScVJ4W2fs
Little advise Mick, take a tappet cover of number 1 as well, to see you have oil on both sides.
Sounds like a sweet running engine.
Post by: mickwinf on September 20, 2023, 05:41:05 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on September 20, 2023, 06:02:37 PM
I have an old carb air screw that might do the trick on mine - not sure of the thread.
Depending on how big the drill out is M4 looks about right on mine.
Post by: mickwinf on September 20, 2023, 06:34:40 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on September 20, 2023, 07:27:33 PM
Post by: Oddjob on September 20, 2023, 07:47:31 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313583380550?var=612402648482 M5 10mm.
The end is still too big to fit into the slot on the shaft so I fit it into a drill and spin it up whilst holding a file against the end, as they are brass they file down quite easily. I keep checking to see when it fits inside the slot.
Post by: mickwinf on September 30, 2023, 04:43:42 PM
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Post by: Laverdaroo on September 30, 2023, 05:30:55 PM
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Post by: Oddjob on September 30, 2023, 09:20:26 PM
I did some on Grommitdogs bike earlier this year. When the engine was revved you could see them pulsing and the carbs moving back and too as they did so. The weight of the carbs also bend them down. Genuine ones don't look like that, they are sort of plastic looking and will support the carbs with no problem. Are they DS replacements?
If you need some I have loads spare somewhere.
If that's the clutch cable going over the throttle cables that's routed wrong and will cause problems.
Post by: mickwinf on October 01, 2023, 11:18:13 AM
Post by: mickwinf on October 18, 2023, 03:49:15 PM
Post by: taysidedragon on October 18, 2023, 04:13:42 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 18, 2023, 04:24:32 PM
Appears braided versions are also available looking on flea bay.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/163529190068?hash=item2613196ab4:g:stcAAOSwm-FcR5Rk&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA8M1XKOaZx2epfPpy1N38Cr58NH2S5grkGiKbt7wo7Y4y1Ui%2BrjEwIJbjvTqkNg19S%2By6S0KpknyjFg8eirDK7Uz5CcFArhWcUfnUskk4%2F7nCrBtW%2BDKpCeWscnrYzMs%2Bbz5VXQ9itldCwSSjCBl4pWwtmJ8oK1e6pw%2BZllSLgxRgQPFOBdDG57W5Q0jlrZ1ODmaUoKR9zS6PkyBpHI5kWnFmClXzwyAncCt0LyYBQ3elhHL%2FrpurTfNzh4baS5h6QXq368z1csscYiJJAEGC6r8jLE%2FO%2BGIiQT4T%2Fou4XFfCtxdsNiqbuzbU%2FiC5bndCfw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMzo2Atuhi
Post by: mickwinf on October 18, 2023, 10:16:31 PM
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Post by: Bryanj on October 28, 2023, 12:57:37 PM
Post by: mickwinf on October 29, 2023, 01:32:50 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 29, 2023, 02:21:58 PM
Looks like you did not cross your clutch cable through the coil hole in the frame was there a reason for this?
Post by: mickwinf on October 29, 2023, 03:24:45 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 29, 2023, 04:15:42 PM
My cheap Wemoto cable is the DB's for a neat fit it has no spare loops anywhere - clutch action feels like it is working ok.
Post by: mickwinf on November 21, 2023, 10:33:31 PM
Post by: mickwinf on November 25, 2023, 12:14:11 PM
Post by: Bryanj on November 25, 2023, 12:23:33 PM
Clutch the mechanism can be very finicky as is the adjustment, the was a bulletin on adjustement, shoul be in ashs dropbox, cable routing is vital, pdi and build list should also be in dropbox.
This sort of problem is one that is probably an easy fix in person but impossible at distance!
Post by: mickwinf on November 25, 2023, 12:29:39 PM
Post by: Oddjob on November 25, 2023, 12:45:38 PM
Post by: mickwinf on November 25, 2023, 06:25:41 PM
Post by: mickwinf on December 10, 2023, 02:54:42 PM
Post by: Bryanj on December 10, 2023, 03:06:17 PM
Wearing gloves put finger over outlet hole and pull lever in release and reaply finger let lever go and reapply, repeat till pressure is felt under finger then whilst lever is held in use your third hand to fit and tighten hose and banjo bolt then try blleding at caliper.
This can take a while but has never failed for me, also cover everything you dont want fluid on!
Post by: Nurse Julie on December 10, 2023, 03:49:29 PM
not much happening as I have been ill for a couple of weeks, but still struggling with the front brake bleeding. all new or refurbished, hoses rubber seals etc but just will not bleed. I have tried all the usual methods with syringes but no luck so getting really frustrated, even dismantled master cylinder in case i did something wrong.Hope you're feeling better Mick. Did you fit a new pressure switch?. The reason I ask is that we bought a couple from David Silver last year and they were faulty. Graham almost sent himself doolally trying to bleed a front brake, all new parts and refurbed like yours, he kept swapping parts again and again with no luck. When he fitted the old switch, it bled up instantly. He tried the DS switch again on another bike and the same thing happened again, the system would not bleed. .
Post by: mickwinf on December 10, 2023, 03:50:04 PM
Post by: mickwinf on December 10, 2023, 03:54:31 PM
Post by: Oddjob on December 10, 2023, 05:52:00 PM
Get a brake clamp or failing that a pair of mole grips, clamp the rubber hose near the joint at the bottom yoke, before the joint not after. Try pumping the MC now, if it's solid then the problem lies below where you've clamped, if not the force will tend to blow any airlock back through the MC, you'll see bubbles appearing in the reservoir. When it's solid move the clamp down to below the bottom yoke, test again.. If solid, the problem is in the caliper. Now release the pressure on the clamp until you can just about pump the lever, this will force fluid past the clamp but not allow it back up the pipe. In this way you can force the caliper to fill up, release the bleed nipple a little to allow any trapped air to escape.
Never failed to work but as I said an only be done with rubber hoses, never tried it with braided as I was worried it would damage the braiding, it may work though
Post by: Bryanj on December 10, 2023, 06:33:05 PM
You my be better off with one of Mr Silvers repo ones
Post by: K2-K6 on December 11, 2023, 08:41:36 AM
If it doesn't leak out like this with lever in "home" position, then unlikely to fill the line easily when bleeding.
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Post by: Bryanj on February 20, 2024, 05:55:49 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on February 20, 2024, 05:58:23 PM
You will need insurance and to fill in mot exemption form, some offices understand you dont need the form but its easier to do it just in caseYou don't need insurance to change it to Historic Bryan, unless you live in Northern Ireland, but I know Mick has insurance anyway. MOT exemption form not needed either, the post office just throw them in the bin, as its known that if its eligible for Historic, it became MOT exempt a year earlier on its 40th Birthday.
Post by: Bryanj on February 20, 2024, 06:01:06 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on February 20, 2024, 06:03:46 PM
Last time i did one at my local.office they insisted on it, but then they also had to look up "historic" so that says a lot😂😂😂😂😂.
Post by: Seabeowner on February 20, 2024, 06:45:20 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 20, 2024, 07:34:37 PM
Post by: mickwinf on March 01, 2024, 04:40:47 PM
Post by: taysidedragon on March 01, 2024, 08:49:31 PM
lazarus is now legal, the post office sorted out the historic status no problem so all taxed and ready. I did take a mot exemption form and she did ask to see it but all sorted in 5 mins. if it stays dry over weekend i will have a little ride to see how it goes, wish me luck!
Good news. 👍
Post by: royhall on March 01, 2024, 08:52:47 PM
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 01, 2024, 09:38:04 PM
lazarus is now legal, the post office sorted out the historic status no problem so all taxed and ready. I did take a mot exemption form and she did ask to see it but all sorted in 5 mins. if it stays dry over weekend i will have a little ride to see how it goes, wish me luck!
Nice one with a PO that know what they are doing - weather for a test ride does not look promising where I live. ;D :( :( :(
Post by: davidcumbria on March 02, 2024, 08:15:02 AM
Post by: mickwinf on March 02, 2024, 11:08:27 AM
Post by: Nurse Julie on March 02, 2024, 11:23:54 AM
So Lazarus has had his first outing for 30 years and threw in a couple of snags to sort out. He cut out a couple of times at traffic lights with what felt like fuel starvation and isn't charging either. All gears engage ok and clutch works but speedo not working at all.Well done Mick, that's not a bad snagging list really, considering you have resurrected Lazarus.
Post by: davidcumbria on March 02, 2024, 12:15:47 PM
apart from the occasional stall did the engine run as you’d eexpect ?
Post by: mickwinf on March 02, 2024, 12:33:14 PM
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 02, 2024, 04:31:41 PM
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Post by: Laverda Dave on March 03, 2024, 10:31:21 AM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 03, 2024, 11:40:53 AM
I had to join some of the wires due to them being cut by the previous torturer of this poor bike.
Looking at your starting point on Page 1 Mick the term torturer seems mild - attempted murderer seems more fitting.
You have come a long way since November 2021 - it must be very rewarding to have ridden it at last.
Post by: mickwinf on March 03, 2024, 04:02:15 PM
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Post by: Bryanj on March 04, 2024, 03:51:53 PM
That should read after 8, i hate dumfones!!!!!!
Post by: royhall on March 04, 2024, 04:34:57 PM
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Post by: mickwinf on March 04, 2024, 05:19:12 PM
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Post by: mickwinf on March 09, 2024, 01:14:39 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 09, 2024, 01:36:56 PM
Looks as if the alternator is not putting out any charge for it to drop to 11.5 volts when running.
I know now't about testing the alternator itself even after I have read the manual. In my case Impedence is a measure of my Ignorance.
Addendum:
I have had experience of electrical windings as in the coils/field windings absorbing damp and even recovering over time as they dry out. I know it's the often repeated mantra but good earthing & good electrical connections are a must.
Post by: Seabeowner on March 09, 2024, 07:04:28 PM
The goto in the US is Twotired.
Link to his post.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=118474.0
Post by: Bryanj on March 09, 2024, 09:01:43 PM
Post by: mickwinf on March 13, 2024, 03:27:31 PM
Post by: Johnny4428 on March 13, 2024, 05:40:38 PM
Post by: Bryanj on March 13, 2024, 07:21:35 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 13, 2024, 07:31:12 PM
Check gearchange shaft seal
That made me smile Bryan when I filled my 500 with oil after the rebuild I somehow forgot to fit the seal - boy did it leak after a few minutes.
Post by: mickwinf on March 13, 2024, 10:46:24 PM
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Post by: Johnny4428 on April 08, 2024, 08:35:55 AM
My original 500 used to slip like buggery on take off if useing a handfull of throttle taking several hundred yards(old english measurment) before stopping, never wore out and gave up worrying about itDoesn’t help when trying to wheelie!😂
Post by: Bryanj on April 08, 2024, 08:58:07 AM
Post by: Johnny4428 on April 08, 2024, 07:56:36 PM
Never managed a wheelie on the 500, but i was 21 stone at the time!More than happy with both wheels firmly on the ground these days!😁
Post by: mickwinf on April 12, 2024, 05:14:50 PM
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Post by: K2-K6 on April 12, 2024, 08:55:16 PM
Worthwhile turning the idle adjust screws out half turn ...... to judge if there's significant change or not .... as experiment and investigate evaluation.
Quick and easy to assess effect, free too :)
Post by: mickwinf on April 20, 2024, 05:01:50 PM
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