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SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB500/550 => Topic started by: Noelia on March 16, 2016, 07:45:07 PM
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Hi all!
After almost a year since I bought my cb500 and which I haven't ride yet due to some silly issues (paperwork and clutch being hard rock) I've got a message from my Spanish friend from Liverpool saying that finally one of his work colleagues decided to sell his bike. I was going to buy this one before I bought the 500 but he changed his mind. However it was a great surprise and I rapidly say I will buy it!
The bike is not 100% original but it looks great and had the engine rebuild plus other upgrades like electronic ignition etc etc...
The bike arrived today! And I was so excited! It looked so good!
I fire up the beast and then.. There it is that infernal noise coming out of my brand new old toy... So disappointing...
I think it is the cam chain needing adjusting?
What do you think?
https://vimeo.com/159260819 (https://vimeo.com/159260819)
Also a few pictures of the new baby.
... Would I be able ride some day??
Noelia
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I Can't see the video but the link is there... Can someone confirm?
Noelia
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It looks OK to me Noella.
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Not 100% sure but sounded ok when reved? I belive clutch baskets rattle a bit sometimes, also out of balance carbs might be a culprit or contributer.... Over to the experts.
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it doesn't sound to bad,
suggest you check the tappets,cam chain tension,and plugs,
when the plugs are out,it will give you some idea of mixture,
any nasty smoke when revved?
just needs some TLC
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it doesn't sound to bad,
suggest you check the tappets,cam chain tension,and plugs,
when the plugs are out,it will give you some idea of mixture,
any nasty smoke when revved?
just needs some TLC
Hi John,
No smoke at all.. Very clean... It fired up straight away, the last owner is horrified he said he rode it last weekend and there was no noise...
I'm not sure on how to check the tappets but i reckon it is all related.
Noelia
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It runs so take it for a ride, get it revved up bring it home do a full service adjust everything that's making a noise.....then enjoy the beast its old and they do rattle more than modern bikes engines..".cheers
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it doesn't sound to bad,
suggest you check the tappets,cam chain tension,and plugs,
when the plugs are out,it will give you some idea of mixture,
any nasty smoke when revved?
just needs some TLC
Hi John,
No smoke at all.. Very clean... It fired up straight away, the last owner is horrified he said he rode it last weekend and there was no noise...
I'm not sure on how to check the tappets but i reckon it is all related.
Noelia
they are simple to work on,I suggest you check Ashimoto dropbox for a manual,or get a Haynes,
just read,and understand,you can get lots of help here
watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLw6Av07wik
it will give the basic idea
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it doesn't sound to bad,
suggest you check the tappets,cam chain tension,and plugs,
when the plugs are out,it will give you some idea of mixture,
any nasty smoke when revved?
just needs some TLC
Hi John,
No smoke at all.. Very clean... It fired up straight away, the last owner is horrified he said he rode it last weekend and there was no noise...
I'm not sure on how to check the tappets but i reckon it is all related.
Noelia
they are simple to work on,I suggest you check Ashimoto dropbox for a manual,or get a Haynes,
just read,and understand,you can get lots of help here
watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLw6Av07wik
it will give the basic idea
I need a feeler gauge but thank you so much!! I'm not too confident on this, but I will try to get one of those feeler gauge and try it!
Noelia
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take the tank off,
and take your time,
carefull removing the 8 caps,a good socket is needed,
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Use a 6 sided 17mm socket, not one of those 12 sided ones. Put some paper over the tappet cover first. That way you'll avoid the corners being chewed up.
Just follow the manual, take your time and you should be OK.
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Use a 6 sided 17mm socket, not one of those 12 sided ones. Put some paper over the tappet cover first. That way you'll avoid the corners being chewed up.
Just follow the manual, take your time and you should be OK.
I will put my hands on it this weekend, hopefully I will be able to fix it without having to take to the garage....
Noelia
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If the thing ran perfectly for the last owner last week, then plug caps would be my first port of call, just tighten them on a turn and / or wd40 sprayed up inside the cap - for some reason I had a spate of plug caps fail across 3 differnt bikes in the last 4 years, none previously to that, wd40 seemed to revive them briefly - enough to get home / keep commuting a few weeks. It cannot hurt to do a full service for peace of mind in any case.
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If the thing ran perfectly for the last owner last week, then plug caps would be my first port of call, just tighten them on a turn and / or wd40 sprayed up inside the cap - for some reason I had a spate of plug caps fail across 3 differnt bikes in the last 4 years, none previously to that, wd40 seemed to revive them briefly - enough to get home / keep commuting a few weeks. It cannot hurt to do a full service for peace of mind in any case.
I haven't thought about that I will check the plugs tonight.
Thanks!!!
Noelia
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Picked up the 550 yesterday from the garage but the engine is still rattling... Carbs have been balanced, valves and cam chain adjusted.
The mechanic said I need to have a long ride for it to settle and go away, does anyone experienced something like this before?
Noelia
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Check there is oil getting to the top end..... best way, I'm not sure without disturbing the rocker cover. Possibly pull the two end caps off and see oil comes out, or just open up the 8 caps for valve adjustment and see if plenty of oil is up there. My first 550 had a nasty rattle that proved to be symptomatic of no oil to half the top end thanks to a blocked oilway, it dropped a valve eventually, the top end was already as rough as a rough thing. I doubt yours is that rough inside but they will run fairly sweet even missing piston rings and scored bores. Sometimes they do settle down to run quiet from a rattly start when serviced. Have you verified all 4 cylinders are sparking properly?
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Any bike that comes in to my hands, always has the sump off to see if there is any secrets inside.
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I took the bike to a very reputable mechanic in my area, he owns all vintage bikes from a Norton commando to trials and he has had checked all out and said is ok and that the bike needs running to settle as it has only covered like 100 miles per year since 1994... On the way to the garage the bike ran awfully, 1st gear very short and the more I pulled the throttle the less power it had, on the way back it felt much better but the noise was still there. (Only when I'm not accelerating) I will take tomorrow for a ride, I will put new petrol in and I'll cross my fingers for it to go quiet! I'm very frustrated right now, bike wise.
I will let you all know how does it goes tomorrow!!!
Noelia
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If the bike has not been used since 1994, it is still worth checking the oil is getting to the top end and the clutch plates are free before you blow the top end. No mechanic will check this on a service unless instructed.
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If the bike has not been used since 1994, it is still worth checking the oil is getting to the top end and the clutch plates are free before you blow the top end. No mechanic will check this on a service unless instructed.
Trigger I meant the bike has only done about 100 miles per year from 1994 so it has been used very little but even though the owner has services the bike every year prior MOT's
I will ask my mechanic if he has checked if the oil is getting to the top end :) thanks for the tips!
Noelia
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Just came back from my first proper ride! It is so nice outside!!
So I've noticed that I need to ride with the choke on otherwise it will just stop, so idling needs adjusting, Also when pulling the throttle it chokes at the beginning a little bit then It pulls nicely.
After an hour riding it I came back home and the noise was gone, then I put the choke off and it started doing it again... And the bike stopped.
What are your thoughts,? I think it is all about carburation?
Noelia
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certainly sounds like carbs,
but also check timing ,is it getting fully advanced ??
also,what colour are the plugs?
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certainly sounds like carbs,
but also check timing ,is it getting fully advanced ??
also,what colour are the plugs?
I havent checked the valves yet I will pull them out tomorrow!
Noelia
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Plugs you mean Noe...leave the valves well alone :-)...