Post by: AshimotoK0 on July 11, 2017, 03:50:13 PM
Post by: hairygit on July 11, 2017, 03:58:00 PM
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Post by: Woodside on July 11, 2017, 04:12:25 PM
Post by: RGP750 on July 11, 2017, 05:12:07 PM
Supplied mine Ash, no problem with DVLA.
Rich
Post by: Bryanj on July 11, 2017, 05:35:31 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 11, 2017, 05:56:46 PM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on July 11, 2017, 06:14:00 PM
Out of interest Ash, why do you need a dating certificate, if as your list of paperwork says, you have everything you need?Because in two separate conversations with two different DVLA people they are both telling me I need one, despite explaining in great detail that I have the old V5 etc. They won't let me use a V62 form and insisting I use a V765 and a V55/5 form Personally I don't see why I need all this but I'll toe-the-line and dish out thirty quid if it means getting the V5C easier and quicker. I think I will go the Honda UK route as it should be fairly straightforward being a UK registered bike from new not an import. I gather they sometimes now send somebody down now to inspect the vehicle, which is not much more than a numbers check and that the bike is complete. Good news is that my 450K0 Bomber and CX are both on the DVLA register and I have the old V5's so they should be pretty straightforward.
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 11, 2017, 06:18:36 PM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on July 11, 2017, 06:39:14 PM
So the bike is not on the system then, I understand now, sort of :-\
No ...never been put on DVLA register .. someone suggested they may have put the plate on another vehicle but it's nowt special and anyway surely the reg would show up as another vehicle if that was the case. Last MOT done in 1986.
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 11, 2017, 10:35:03 PM
Post by: hairygit on July 11, 2017, 10:40:37 PM
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Post by: AshimotoK0 on July 11, 2017, 11:21:41 PM
Ash, if it's part of that lot you bought with the G5 and CX, do what Woodside did, it was a dead person's estate being sold off after all.
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I did tell them the bike was from a deceased estate but didn't make any difference ... think they are generally tightening up.
Post by: AshimotoK0 on July 17, 2017, 05:21:19 PM
Interesting Ash as I'm in basically the same boat. My L reg 500 still has it's original V5, however a phone call to DVLA a few years ago confirmed they'd never put it on the register as it's not been taxed since the early 80s at least. I already have a dating certificate from Honda so hopefully that will ease the way into getting it taxed if I ever get round to it. Do you think it is worth it getting it back onto the register so it's easier to do that if I ever do?
Yes I would get it done Ken 'cos they seem to be tightening up big style. A bike from exactly the same stable (member on here's bike) with old V5, only needed a V62 form + inspection. There is no mention in their approved counter-signers to the V765 form, which you have to fill in, of Honda UK being approved, only the Honda Owners Club & VJMC for our bikes. Think I will just join VJMC as I also have a CB72 with only the old green logbook, not even an old V5 and a CB250K0 with the the old V5 only. It's 40 quid non members 30 for members + 25 quid joining fee. God knows why they can't just accept an old V5 which has their watermark embedded throughout the paper. You also need to fill in a V55 form too. Good earner for the dating 'clubs' though ... and I don't mean the likes of 'Match.com' ;D
Post by: Woodside on July 17, 2017, 05:39:08 PM
This senario seems a bit loopy...
As the v5 has absolutley every bit of information they require and its their bloody paper work...
Unbebloodyleavable
Post by: AshimotoK0 on July 17, 2017, 09:02:34 PM
Post by: hairygit on July 17, 2017, 09:20:56 PM
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Post by: Woodside on July 18, 2017, 07:24:21 AM
I also used a good digital camera and for some reason it was clearer if i took it from about 4-6 foot then zoomed in on the picture...when from close up i guess it was capturing all the glare and other crud...
Post by: royhall on July 18, 2017, 07:32:02 AM
Post by: Orcade-Ian on July 18, 2017, 07:48:33 AM
That's exactly what I did recently - but I had not checked with anyone at DVLA, I avoid that whenever possible.
I had a bike, and an old single sheet V5 in my name. Got an MOT, took the docs to the Post office, they quickly perused them, taxed it (free) and sent the V5 away and I got a red V5c within a week. This can not work with an old buff or green logbook obviously but an old V5 is already computerised - unless they have changed the system very recently,
Confused of Orkney
Post by: AshimotoK0 on July 18, 2017, 07:59:23 AM
Keeping an eye on this thread Ash as I will probably have to go down the same route with my Bomber....... What are the bikes you are trying to get through, are they in an MOT condition?....... The reason I ask is that a mate has been in the same position. In the end he took it for an MOT and about 2 weeks later it magically appeared on the DVLA website, then they accepted his V5 without question........ It appears to be something to do with lost bikes details being used to sell stolen bikes (if that makes sense). Once its MOTed they appear to accept that its the correct bike as its been inspected................ No proof that any of this is actually true as we only have the opinion of the MOT tester, but it worked a treat for my mates 1969 bike so who knows. The DVLA appear to make up the rules as they go along.
It's a CB250G5 that I just sold..he's collecting it tonight hopefully. (hoping buyer may become a member here as he's doing a total restoration as its only done 2k miles..thank God he's not going to 'cafe' it). My other bikes (all from Crawley) that have registration issues are my CB72 that only has green logbook and a CB250K0 that's only got green logbook. My Bomber has old V5 and is on DVLA ..so hoping that will be more straightforward. I also have a CB250K0 that's got no docs but it is on the DVLA register. The CB250K0's (both '69's) I got from the 'Crawley garden and garage' ..I already have two of them but they didn't have matching numbers so I am using them to create two matching no's bikes plus one is only showing 4.5k miles, so using all of the 'shiny' :) bits from my others to make a stunning resto.
Post by: AshimotoK0 on July 18, 2017, 08:03:23 AM
Hi Ash/Roy,
That's exactly what I did recently - but I had not checked with anyone at DVLA, I avoid that whenever possible.
I had a bike, and an old single sheet V5 in my name. Got an MOT, took the docs to the Post office, they quickly perused them, taxed it (free) and sent the V5 away and I got a red V5c within a week. This can not work with an old buff or green logbook obviously but an old V5 is already computerised - unless they have changed the system very recently,
Confused of Orkney
Might be wrong on this but these bikes are all London/E. Sussex registered, apart from Roy's Bomber which came from Chester. I think some authorities (a few southern based ones included) were lax or records lost or whatever when computerisation came in but in two separate enquires DVLA are telling me that they have no record of the bike and I need to go the V765 route. Both VJMC & HOC also confirm that I need to complete V765 and have it authenticated.
Post by: Trigger on July 18, 2017, 08:13:59 AM
The MOT system is run by ATOS and if a bike is MOTed, then it does exist and will jump the system. Don't ask how I know these things ;) ;)
Post by: Bryanj on July 18, 2017, 08:21:00 AM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on July 18, 2017, 08:58:27 AM
Ash why not go to your friendl mot man with the reg and ask him if his system will accept the reg
It's basically a case of toe-the-line now Bryan, as I have sold the bike on the proviso that I set the wheels in motion to obtain a V5C but luckily the guy seems a decent chap and is going to totally restore it anyway, & in a month or so it should be sorted it out ...plus I will then be a member of VJMC. Yes, I could have MOT'd it but that's more hassle and expense (changing tyres, etc.) .. Point taken for the other bikes that I am keeping though ..... If they have an old V5 I will just try and MOT them and take it from there. My CX500B has the old V5 and is on the DVLA register, so fingers crossed on that one being pretty straightforward. BTW ..I stripped and fixed the non-working horn on the G5 (same as 400/4) so it can be done and I will fully write the procedure up sometime soon, as they are getting rare. Already started the bones of it on here.
http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,13195.0.html
Post by: AshimotoK0 on July 19, 2017, 12:39:27 PM
Well a phone call to the DVLA certainly muddied the waters for me. I wanted to clarify EXACTLY what I needed to send and the list has increased dramatically since the last time I checked. I now need a V55/5, a V765, a photo, my old V5, dating certificate and it needs inspecting. However the real fly in the ointment is that the bike needs to be complete, it's not and I don't really have any intentions of completing it any time soon. I got into a discussion about the HOC looking at it as well, who gave them powers to decide if I can still use my registration number? the old V5 is DVLA issued and yet they won't seem to accept the information on there, they claim to have a partial record of my bike but said that at the time the records were computerised there wasn't enough information to record my bike so they didn't bother, what other information did they need? it had the correct name and address, the correct reg No and the correct engine/frame number, what else did they need? insurance and MOT details weren't computerised the time they did this so can't be those. Seems because it wasn't taxed the presumed it was scrapped but who's fault is that presumption? and who's paying the price for that now?
That's more or less exactly what they told me Ken You have to send the V765 off to an approved validation organisation (e.s VJMC or HOC for our bikes) Bike must be complete and original and you need a minimum of two full-on, with bike fully vertical, pictures, both sides of the bike plus clear photos of the engine number and frame stampings plus a clear photo alloy plate, if fitted. The only thing for me is that the buyer picked up the bike last night and told me he is totally stripping it to restore but not for at least a year, so I have a bit of grace time to sort out his V5C plus it's set me on the 'learning curve' for registering classics. Got to agree that their watermarked old V5 isn't worth the paper it's printed on it would seem, which I find incredible. I think HOC would accept a printed proper scan (not photo) of the old V5 but VJMC seemed to request the original document. Seems pretty likely an inspection will be made as well but, at the present time at least, I don't think you are charged extra for that.
This is what I got back from VJMC:
Ashley,
How come the DVLA have no record of your V5 have they explained?
If you go to our website www.vjmc.com then click dating then V765, all the information is there what you need to do. The simplest method would be for you to send me your v765 and application and I will return to you with dating letter for you to send of the lot to DVLA. You should also fill in the V55/5, and meet their requirments.
Regards
Ray Davis - Dating Officer VJMC
http://www.vjmc.com/classic-motorcycle-dating-service-b.html
Post by: philward on July 19, 2017, 06:25:32 PM
Sorry - don't want to highjack the post
Phil
Post by: AshimotoK0 on July 19, 2017, 09:08:35 PM
Just reading the post and beginning to worry! My CR750 build is based on a 72 K2 frame from DK with a NOVA Cert. Just read previous post that says bike must be standard - am I stuffed!
Sorry - don't want to highjack the post
Phil
You are not hijacking Phil .. There must be loads of people doing the same as you with specials .. worth dropping an email to VJMC .. initial advice is free ... got be a common sense way forward .. might have been scaremongering from the guy who told me that they insisted on standard trim on a GS750 of his that they sent an inspector to examine.
Post by: philward on July 19, 2017, 10:15:00 PM