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Johnny4428
SOHC Jedi
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Faulty regulator?
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October 01, 2020, 01:32:05 PM »
When I switch the ignition on I get a bit of heat in the black lead coming from the switch at the connecting block. So after a bit of fettling I discovered that when I disconnect the black lead from the voltage regulator that cures it. There appears to be open circuit from all three terminals to ground when tested this can’t be normal. Thoughts anybody? (Bike is not running when tested)
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1952 Cymoto on Triumph bicycle.
1961 Matchless G3
1974 Honda CB550K1
1978 Honda CB550K3
1999 ST1100 Pan European 50th Anniversary.
1975,1984,1986 Honda C90’s
1973 Honda CB750K3
1977 Honda CB550 (almost)
cliff7
SOHC Associate
Posts: 77
Re: Faulty regulator?
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Reply #1 on:
October 01, 2020, 03:19:54 PM »
As far as I know, with wires disconnected, all terminals on regulator should be open circuit to earth. Green wire should be connected to earth. Resistance between green and white wires (field coil) should be about 5 ohms. With wires disconnected resistance between black and green terminals on regulator should be about 35ish.
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Bryanj
Grogu
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Re: Faulty regulator?
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Reply #2 on:
October 01, 2020, 03:21:09 PM »
There will be a path from black to white on reg with ignition on which puts power to the generator field coil immediately key is turned
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Johnny4428
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Re: Faulty regulator?
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October 01, 2020, 06:47:42 PM »
Thanks guys couple of things there to check when I get my battery back or get a new one. Bought a new battery but think there is a duff cell in it put it back to local supplier who has it on charge for testing. I can do the resistance checks meantime.
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1952 Cymoto on Triumph bicycle.
1961 Matchless G3
1974 Honda CB550K1
1978 Honda CB550K3
1999 ST1100 Pan European 50th Anniversary.
1975,1984,1986 Honda C90’s
1973 Honda CB750K3
1977 Honda CB550 (almost)
Johnny4428
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Re: Faulty regulator?
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Reply #4 on:
October 01, 2020, 08:40:57 PM »
Tested resistance between green and white terminals 45.5ohm also between green and black 45.5ohm .
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1952 Cymoto on Triumph bicycle.
1961 Matchless G3
1974 Honda CB550K1
1978 Honda CB550K3
1999 ST1100 Pan European 50th Anniversary.
1975,1984,1986 Honda C90’s
1973 Honda CB750K3
1977 Honda CB550 (almost)
Bryanj
Grogu
Posts: 12558
Re: Faulty regulator?
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Reply #5 on:
October 01, 2020, 09:09:53 PM »
Never tested that but there is a hold in coil in there which would need a power and earth.
Connect the black and green up and measure votage at battery +ve, black at reg and white at reg all should be same.
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Johnny4428
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Re: Faulty regulator?
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Reply #6 on:
October 01, 2020, 09:21:33 PM »
Ignition on for power, bike running or stopped?
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1952 Cymoto on Triumph bicycle.
1961 Matchless G3
1974 Honda CB550K1
1978 Honda CB550K3
1999 ST1100 Pan European 50th Anniversary.
1975,1984,1986 Honda C90’s
1973 Honda CB750K3
1977 Honda CB550 (almost)
Bryanj
Grogu
Posts: 12558
Re: Faulty regulator?
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Reply #7 on:
October 02, 2020, 02:25:04 AM »
Sorry tryping in work breaks, ignition switch on, lights and kill switch off so engine stopped and minimal electric load.
What you are looking for is "lost" volts caused by bad connectors or wires, black at reg should be less than half a volt below battery voltage
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Johnny4428
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Re: Faulty regulator?
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October 02, 2020, 07:30:53 AM »
Thanks Bryan, will try today.
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1952 Cymoto on Triumph bicycle.
1961 Matchless G3
1974 Honda CB550K1
1978 Honda CB550K3
1999 ST1100 Pan European 50th Anniversary.
1975,1984,1986 Honda C90’s
1973 Honda CB750K3
1977 Honda CB550 (almost)
Johnny4428
SOHC Jedi
Posts: 2945
Re: Faulty regulator?
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October 02, 2020, 04:49:23 PM »
Results of test BryanJ, voltage between battery + and black on reg - 2.09 volts, battery + and white on reg - 2.60 volts. Quite a significant drop.
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1952 Cymoto on Triumph bicycle.
1961 Matchless G3
1974 Honda CB550K1
1978 Honda CB550K3
1999 ST1100 Pan European 50th Anniversary.
1975,1984,1986 Honda C90’s
1973 Honda CB750K3
1977 Honda CB550 (almost)
Bryanj
Grogu
Posts: 12558
Re: Faulty regulator?
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Reply #10 on:
October 02, 2020, 07:07:42 PM »
You need to find where the excess volt drop is.
Start at battery +ve and check at connections all way through
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Johnny4428
SOHC Jedi
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Re: Faulty regulator?
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October 02, 2020, 07:32:48 PM »
Yes will do Bryan. I will keep you posted, Thanks.
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1952 Cymoto on Triumph bicycle.
1961 Matchless G3
1974 Honda CB550K1
1978 Honda CB550K3
1999 ST1100 Pan European 50th Anniversary.
1975,1984,1986 Honda C90’s
1973 Honda CB750K3
1977 Honda CB550 (almost)
cliff7
SOHC Associate
Posts: 77
Re: Faulty regulator?
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Reply #12 on:
October 02, 2020, 07:35:48 PM »
If it is getting warm at the ignition switch could it be bad connection onto switch (or faulty switch). Difference in voltage between black and white on regulator sounds like dirty points in regulator. Possibly. Didn't know they made a G3 in '61. I had one a while ago or was it an AJS.
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Johnny4428
SOHC Jedi
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Re: Faulty regulator?
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October 02, 2020, 08:53:19 PM »
Thanks Cliff, yes a bit of checking to do tomorrow. Yes I have a post “jampot†model which was originally an MOD bike used by the aux fire team at an aerodrome in Scotland. When I restored it I painted it black.
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1952 Cymoto on Triumph bicycle.
1961 Matchless G3
1974 Honda CB550K1
1978 Honda CB550K3
1999 ST1100 Pan European 50th Anniversary.
1975,1984,1986 Honda C90’s
1973 Honda CB750K3
1977 Honda CB550 (almost)
Johnny4428
SOHC Jedi
Posts: 2945
Re: Faulty regulator?
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October 02, 2020, 08:55:35 PM »
Sorry don’t know why that one was upside down.
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1952 Cymoto on Triumph bicycle.
1961 Matchless G3
1974 Honda CB550K1
1978 Honda CB550K3
1999 ST1100 Pan European 50th Anniversary.
1975,1984,1986 Honda C90’s
1973 Honda CB750K3
1977 Honda CB550 (almost)
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