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Ten years to go until electric...
SumpMagnet:
--- Quote from: ST1100 on November 21, 2020, 05:27:25 PM ---BTW is it predicted that the costs of charging an EV will soon be noticeable higher then filling a tank with conventional fuel...
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That's what they call supply and demand....and for every electric vehicle evangelist, there will be a Civil Servant with a calculator working out how the fuel duty tax will be levied, how the vehicle taxation will need to be re-written, and how...once you can't buy a fossil fuel powered vehicle....they can squeeze you for revenue.
Right now it's easy. Look at the polluter over there....charge him money. He chooses to pollute, so he can pay
But, don't for one minute think the Government can allow car revenues to vanish. They will find a way.
Have already seen an aborted attempt by the Government to massively increase congestion and ULEZ zones in London. Not for 'green' reasons, but simply because TFL can't pay it's bills with so many people working from home. They had to back down, of course, when Boris Johnson realised that a huge slice of voters would now have to pay to go ANYWHERE in there cars, whilst in the same move...removing free travel for pensioners and children. To subsidise a bus network nobody was using.
Makes me wonder if the high cost of electric vehicles is entirely accidental. I am very familiar with high voltage high current motors and brushless speed controllers. One of my other hobbies is RC cars....and the noise issues with IC engines has made a lot of hobbyists swap to brushless. Lithium polymer cells have been common and relatively cheap for over 10 years, and the cost of 150amp speed controllers has dropped massively. The technology is not complex, and the cheap stuff has got steadily better and better. Why then, when these things are scaled up further, has hte same not happened? Better ask the Chinese....they make all the RC stuff, and do it well!
Lobo:
No one would disagree with what you say SumpMagnet.
At the mo part of the roads revenue stream is due the motorist breaking speeding laws / various other infringements.
Autopilots are imminent, meaning these incomes will disappear as those laws satisfied. They’ll then have to introduce ‘levies’ to compensate, which in a nut-shell are charges for basically obeying the law.
Hmm.
It’s a no-win.... no-win situation.
sye:
Pay per mile is on it's way, probably with different rates for EV's and ICE's. Watch this space, I predict some sort of leak next year to judge public opinion.
There is no doubt that we have to change our ways and this is just the start. ICE's and fuel will continue for 100's of years after they cease manufacture. There will be a demand for petrol driven tools of all kinds and these are unlikely to be banned in the near future.
All kinds of energy generation will be required including nuclear. Rolls Royce are delevoping small modular nuclear reactors that are much cheaper to produce and safer than the massive alternatives. They have just been given a bucket load of cash to aid development. https://www.rolls-royce.com/products-and-services/nuclear/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
Homes will be the next target. Sweden and Denmark can build homes without any fossil fuel heating, so why can't we? The answer is we can but until now we haven't wanted to. The choice is ours, let's hope we make the right decisions.
There are far too many people using resources. The choice is simple, get rid of 50% of people or consume 50% less resources. It's easilly doable if we have the will.
ST1100:
--- Quote from: Lobo on November 22, 2020, 12:10:44 PM ---They’ll then have to introduce ‘levies’ to compensate, which in a nut-shell are charges for basically obeying the law.
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Basically automated as new vehicles are already "integrated" (see: mandatory eCall) into their surveillance network... ???
Bryanj:
For quite a few years the DAF's I drive have lane departure warning(nags you via the radio speakers if you cross a line without indicators on),Electronic Emergency Braking ( brakes for you if you get too close and slams them on if you get VERY close but there are 6 bridges on motorways that the government admit set the system off and I know of at least another 4 they wont admit to) and predictive cruise control that eases off the throttle as you reach the crest of a hill (F*****g annoying when at 44 Tonne, and auto braking if you go over the cruise set speed, what with no clutch pedal (manual box and clutch computer controlled) its difficult staying awake as a steering wheel attendant,
As to efficiency when I started in 77 it was 6mpg at 32 Ton now I average 9.5 mpg at 44 Tonne with damn near zero NOX on the new stuff(but a silencer costing £6,000) and you run Hoss Piss as an additive
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