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McCabe-Thiele (Ted):
The NSU RO80 had way fewer parts than a reciprocating engine as did the rotary engined Norton. Didn't make them a seller or more reliable  & it bankrupted NSU.

To be fair the development of EV's has been rushed compared to ICE development. There is no standard battery voltage even basic stuff like radial or axial flux motors & windings are still in major development.

It's like the home video recorder markets  of  VHS v Betamax v Phillips 1900 etc.

Oddly enough the only electric car I like is the early 2018/9 BMW i3 with the range extender option. Seems such a simple idea having what is effectively an on board battery charger powered by a 650cc petrol engine. Sadly they ditched the range extender.

Knowing the issues of some hybrid batteries failing leading to a worthless relatively new car it's battery life rather than range that makes the idea of a EV a no go unless you can afford to lease from new.
I suspect private vehicle  ownership will shrink not expand as the costs climb - probably what the government wants as it tries to make us use public transport.

Laverdaroo:

--- Quote from: Lobo on January 09, 2023, 11:55:39 AM ---Ted; have you actually ridden an electric m’cycle? I haven’t, but I’d do believe it’d give you more excitement than you can handle… Hearsay for sure, but my m’cycling buddy was recently telling me of a ‘friend-of-a-friend’ thrown off his electric charge due his mis-controlling the acceleration, I honestly believe this as owner of an EV (‘housewife’s shopping’) car which does 0-60 in 7 secs, and regarded as unremarkable in the EV world. (BMW i3)

As for steam loco, I recently bought one!

A ‘00’ Hornby Live Steam Mallard - unused (as yet) and in its box from 2005. Literally awesome for me; that a genuine steam loco can be made this small. For those interested, the rails supply 17v / 7A to a heated tank in the tender, which then pipes steam to the loco, where it is then super heated and fed to the pistons. Control is via electrical pulses, and includes reverse. Easy to control if happy to be a mile short or long of the station platform

(Full disclosure- I haven’t even a train set. Just ‘needed’ this

--- End quote ---
Man o man, I want that, what a fab distraction toy!

Was it horrendously expensive?


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andy120t:
In the video the guy says that , whilst the EV is more expensive looking at overall costs / per month,  that the actual difference isn't all that much....bu t his figures are
Petrol  412 pounds pcm
EV 522 pounds pcm
...which I would class as quite a difference. (at about 5.17 in the video).

taysidedragon:
I'm not totally against electric vehicles, it's just that they don't excite me and the initial cost and low range put me off.
Until they cost the same to buy as an ICE and the range / refuel issues are resolved I won't consider getting one.

I frequently drive my car on long journeys,  up to 500 miles in a day, and or to destinations where there are literally zero charging points. I'm talking remote steading on a Scottish island, where even the mains electricity is dodgy. My bike rides can often be 250/300 miles in a day if the weather is good. (Got to make the most of the good days!) I do not want to be suffering from range worries, especially miles from civilization. 😟

I love the sound of an ICE going through the gears, electric just doesn't have that. The electric Audis on the Dakar rally or the MotoE bikes are prime examples. A petrol engine racing through the gears sounds fantastic, makes your hairs stand on end, the electric vehicles just sound like a Scalectrix car, not exciting at all.

McCabe-Thiele (Ted):
The video cost analysis was in 2020 so it does not reflect the increase coat of electricity or the  price fall  in the used EV  market.
 
I drive around 3,500 miles a year in my car with Wendy's being under 3,000miles. Our capital costs 5 & 2 years ago were just under £5k for the Jeep the Freelander was £13k both bought outright.

Being retired the capital costs of an EV & a Heat Pump conversion are completely out of reach being on a pension that will not keep up with inflation even with index linking.

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