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McCabe-Thiele (Ted):
I climbed all over the full sized Mallard when she was in Derby Loco Works for a repaint I think it was on the works annual open day weekend circa 1962.

I have no doubt electric cars & bikes are very fast on acceleration - would I rather be on a  a Steam Locomotive doing 80 mph or an Electric Train at 120 mph. Steam every time.

K2-K6:

--- Quote from: SteveD CB500K0 on January 09, 2023, 10:44:25 AM ---Shame those websites are so difficult to read, what with pop-ups, pop-downs, sliders and auto-start video ads.

The actual screen area assigned to text that you can actually read is tiny.

I have given up completely on my local news websites.


Many years ago I was invited by Triumph to complete a questionnaire about electric bikes. They wanted to know what an existing Triumph owner would want in an electric bike.

If I remember, mine were:
100 mph performance (I don’t ever go faster than that nowadays)
200 mile range (I very rarely do more than 150 miles)
200kg

Tin hat ready. Awaiting incoming .


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Yes you're right Steve about that site. I've read it for years as it generally stays current, but ever more junk litter all over the place.

The range thing I certainly agree with, it's just not particularly good and why I think this scenario with ducati working to produce a pinnacle product (matched against their acknowledged pinnacle of motoGP) offers such a reasonable view of where the capabilities are rather than the smokescreen of product promotion that just will not address this aspect in reality. 
So many electric vehicles reviews start with "there's instant torque from nothing" then some idiot shouting "whaoooooo, that's incredible" while accelerating  ::)
They (the industry as a whole)  need to deal with reality of competent ownership for people that are going to stump up the money and "wear" the horrendous depreciation to not be a match for combustion vehicles, especially in motorcycles, to be credible.

K2-K6:

--- Quote from: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on January 09, 2023, 10:45:58 AM ---Interesting article, when we went from Steam Trains to Electric as a young boy I lost all interest in Trains & Trainspotting. I've been on a few steam trains since then - enjoyed the sound, smoke  & mechanical marvels etc - nostalgia is a real emotion.

I feel the same way about electric cars & bikes -  as exiting as a dish washer.

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Its certainly interesting that which we find fits our requirements in technical/aesthetic measures from life influences.

My son is lamenting the withdrawal of diesel electric HST train units as his favourite. Only travelled on them briefly but formed quite a place in his appreciation for design, sound, pace etc.
I've a part to play in that when he was very young I'd take him in pushchair to sit on a little old riveted footbridge over mainline through wimbledon, many hours spent waiting for "just another train" before we went home. Just occasionally we'd get a class 66 diesel hauling agregate around london, waiting on the side there for clearance before spooling up from standstill to move, we could stand right above it as it went under our feet, made quite an impressive experience obviously  ;D

Lobo:
My personal findings wrt EVs are simply the insurmountable, and often wildly incorrect pre-conceptions, coupled with the inexplicable expectations of various performance criteria (range, ‘refuelling’ times, short term depreciation) versus ICE counterparts. This industry is woefully in its infancy, and allowances must be made and expected, surely? When a newspaper article is published wrt EVs, you just KNOW the readership comments will be GENERALLY uninformed and massively negative, and those comments, always written by folk who have never actually owned / driven / operated one. You can GUARANTEE ‘milk float’ will be in there, plus the “fact” that every EV catches fire at least once in its life 😂.
Conversely, actual owners, will GENERALLY say that their expectations have been far exceeded and that ICEs are a thing of the past for them.

It boils down to circumstances I guess; ie your government and incentives, recharge infrastructure, what daily mileage you do, off street parking versus home, solar panels, reliable sunshine, electrical tariffs…  the list goes on. Consequently it’s perhaps unfair to universally criticise? Whatever we feel though, electric powered vehicles (battery / fuel cell / whatever) are coming, and will replace the ICE of that I’m personally sure. I’m also bloody sure that they won’t be cheaper to run as thems above us will have their fingers in the tills at all times, so I indeed accept the savings argument as a myth.

The most obvious bit of logic to me though, is WHY would you want 2000 moving parts when you can have 20? Nostalgia plays a big part for certain, but then we’re only nostalgic when we’re driving our horse and carts, steam trains, ICEs - and not having to deal with the smelly horse poo, hot oil, and grimy clearing out of smoke boxes at the end of stupidly short service cycles… let alone the time & £s expense of it all.

An interesting YouTube below by someone whose taken a great deal of time and investigation wrt CURRENT ownership costs wrt an EV vs ICE Mini. It may surprise you?

Alrighty… Tin hat on 😂.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKxruQ8XFX4

Oddjob:
"Throws rock at Lobo, just to see if he is wearing his tin hat"

"Ouch"

"nope, he isn't"

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