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Topic: Cases oem finish (Read 4460 times)
hiltonig
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Posts: 10
Cases oem finish
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April 28, 2023, 02:38:54 PM »
Hello all question for the purists , how were the gen cover, starter motor, clutch cover cases finished ?, wanting to relocate the factory finish , would cerakote be a modern day equivalent, thanks for your answers
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Oddjob
SOHC Jedi
Posts: 4495
Re: Cases oem finish
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April 28, 2023, 02:48:05 PM »
In short, no, cerakote whilst very good isn't a perfect match. I've actually got a piece that's been ceramic coated in ALU code paint in front of me right now, the finish isn't smooth like the original finish was. It's not as bright either. The cases were sprayed a bright silver and then lacquered, it's believed that back in the day the colour 5 wheel silver was either a good or very close match, it's still available AFAIK.
There is a thread of mine called ceramic coating and on page one is the part I'm looking at right now, a carb bracket.
If you go the spraying way don't forget to use petrol resistant lacquer.
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hiltonig
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Re: Cases oem finish
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Reply #2 on:
April 28, 2023, 03:39:35 PM »
Well I like the idea of cerakote on the barrels and crankcases , vapour blasting looks nice but it still will go all furry in time, where the crankcases and covers all the same shade of silver ?
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Oddjob
SOHC Jedi
Posts: 4495
Re: Cases oem finish
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Reply #3 on:
April 28, 2023, 06:34:51 PM »
No the crankcase is a flat type of silver and was not lacquered, just left as it was sprayed.
Cerakote is fine for the crankcases as is the way I'm going myself.
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Nurse Julie
1977 CB550/4 Mongrel Brat. 1974 UK 500/4 K1. Honda CD250u.
Grogu
Posts: 8687
Re: Cases oem finish
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April 28, 2023, 08:27:52 PM »
If its a 400/4, the top crank case was painted, the bottom crank case wasn't painted. The barrels weren't painted but I can't remember if the head and/ or rocker cover were painted or not 🤔🤔🤔.
Simoniz SIMVHT31D is the best paint we have found personally.
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Toko_Jo
SOHC Associate
Posts: 94
Re: Cases oem finish
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Reply #5 on:
April 29, 2023, 05:00:19 PM »
You need this:- For crankcases and covers. (check out the sister USA sohc4.net site)
https://www.radwell.co.uk/en-GB/Buy/DUPLI%20COLOR/DUPLI%20COLOR/DE1615/
But last time I imported some from there it cost me £25/can landed after shipping and customs.
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Sesman
SOHC Master
Posts: 2261
Re: Cases oem finish
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Reply #6 on:
April 29, 2023, 06:18:59 PM »
Can you post some pictures of the finish please? Is this a good original match for the alternator, chain and clutch cases?
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Toko_Jo
SOHC Associate
Posts: 94
Re: Cases oem finish
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April 30, 2023, 08:31:35 AM »
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McCabe-Thiele (Ted)
Grogu
Posts: 8370
Re: Cases oem finish
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Reply #8 on:
April 30, 2023, 08:50:10 AM »
https://www.frost.co.uk/vht-cast-iron-engine-enamel/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwmdGYBhDRARIsABmSEePCbaToXB0usEPUkOpLCJlcM6IJMXOzWiGj0maZBRi7auTU2W44CSAaAoV7EALw_wcB
Available in a range of colours -BiL has done his Fireblade with this paint - including the frame.
Fireblade engine
by
Macabe Thiele
, on Flickr
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Nurse Julie
1977 CB550/4 Mongrel Brat. 1974 UK 500/4 K1. Honda CD250u.
Grogu
Posts: 8687
Re: Cases oem finish
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Reply #9 on:
April 30, 2023, 10:07:32 AM »
VHT and Duplicolor is the same paint, made by the same company in the USA. And is OK for water cooled engines that only get up to a maximum of 280c.
Simoniz SIMVHT31D is 800c and is much better for air cooled engines which run at a higher temperature than water cooled.
Edit..... I should have said that the outcome all depends on the prep, regardless of which paint is used.
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Last Edit: April 30, 2023, 10:20:53 AM by Nurse Julie
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LINK TO MY CB400/4 ENGINE STRIP / ASSESSMENT AND REBUILD...NOW COMPLETE
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McCabe-Thiele (Ted)
Grogu
Posts: 8370
Re: Cases oem finish
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Reply #10 on:
April 30, 2023, 10:59:46 AM »
Good point Julie about the temperature range.
The word Ceramic Resin sways you away from the lower temperature threshold of the Dupli Colour product.
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Last Edit: April 30, 2023, 11:02:19 AM by McCabe-Thiele (Ted)
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Honda CB400NA Superdream (current money puddle)
Honda CB500 K1 (second money pit)
https://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,28541.0.html
Honda CB400 four super sport (first money pit)
Link to my full restoration
http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,23291.0.html
This is a neat 500 restoration in the USA.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,151576.msg1731556.html#msg1731556
Toko_Jo
SOHC Associate
Posts: 94
Re: Cases oem finish
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Reply #11 on:
April 30, 2023, 11:01:54 AM »
Tried the Simoniz ..wrong shade of silver c/w OE finish... I did say crankcases & covers not cyl heads, barrels. Horses for courses I guess.
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Nurse Julie
1977 CB550/4 Mongrel Brat. 1974 UK 500/4 K1. Honda CD250u.
Grogu
Posts: 8687
Re: Cases oem finish
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Reply #12 on:
April 30, 2023, 11:54:47 AM »
I have to disagree. Simoniz SIMVHT31D is a perfect match to OEM finish. It also lasts very well and is really easy to keep clean. We've painted 100's of engine cases and they all look fantastic. But yes, horses for courses, as you say. I used the Duplicolor on the head of one of my own engines as a trial for a customer and it was pretty rubbish, it finished up a more bronze colour and is already blistering after 5 years.
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Last Edit: April 30, 2023, 11:57:50 AM by Nurse Julie
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LINK TO MY EBAY PAGE. As many of you know already, I give discount and do post at cost to forum members if you PM me direct.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/julies9731/m.html?item=165142672569&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562
LINK TO MY CB400/4 ENGINE STRIP / ASSESSMENT AND REBUILD...NOW COMPLETE
http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,14049.msg112691/topicseen.html#new
McCabe-Thiele (Ted)
Grogu
Posts: 8370
Re: Cases oem finish
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Reply #13 on:
April 30, 2023, 12:46:34 PM »
I wanted my frame powder coating in Nut Brown so I haven't a clue about shades of silver.
I was you will probably know talked out of Nut Brown so ended with boring black - my only input was I went for a Matt finish frame.
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Last Edit: April 30, 2023, 03:12:12 PM by McCabe-Thiele (Ted)
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Honda CB400NA Superdream (current money puddle)
Honda CB500 K1 (second money pit)
https://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,28541.0.html
Honda CB400 four super sport (first money pit)
Link to my full restoration
http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,23291.0.html
This is a neat 500 restoration in the USA.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,151576.msg1731556.html#msg1731556
Oddjob
SOHC Jedi
Posts: 4495
Re: Cases oem finish
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Reply #14 on:
April 30, 2023, 03:38:46 PM »
The Dupli Color paint clearly says ok up to 500c.
Most engines can't go beyond 250F without risk of major damage, talking external temps, not internal temps, pistons for example run much hotter than 250F
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