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Re: Front end renovation
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2023, 11:44:05 PM »
You need to look at some 400 cafe racers. I have had two in my workshop with a 550 front end fitted and one guy that had up side down forks fitted  ;)

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Re: Front end renovation
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2023, 01:13:08 AM »
I am confused by this thread as it seems to start off as a 400 with missing rebound springs.

Is your bike a 400 with standard 400 forks with just the small sprigs missing or do you know it has none standard forks/front end?

Some pics of your dismantled front forks might be useful here.

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Honda CB500 K1 (second money pit)
https://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,28541.0.html
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Link to my full restoration http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,23291.0.html
This is a neat 500 restoration in the USA.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,151576.msg1731556.html#msg1731556

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Re: Front end renovation
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2023, 02:23:40 AM »
Thanks Trigger I'll look at that link.
This is on my 400/4 so thats why I'm confused if its got a different bikes forks on and if that is a concern.
You might want to make sure they are not from a different bike. I don't want to sound glum but in my youth I bought a Kawasaki Z400J that turned out to have a Z500 front end from the yoke down. It came to light after I destroyed the rim of front wheel in a pothole.  ::)
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Re: Front end renovation
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2023, 09:26:04 AM »
I am confused by this thread as it seems to start off as a 400 with missing rebound springs.

Is your bike a 400 with standard 400 forks with just the small sprigs missing or do you know it has none standard forks/front end?

Some pics of your dismantled front forks might be useful here.

You and me too.
I think because of the missing rebound springs he suggested that it could have forks from another machine.
Confirmation that they are 400/4 forks would now be of help!
The front wheel is 18", stanchions are 555x33mm and are 172ish between centres.
I'm pretty sure they are standard 400/4 forks but with missing springs.

Anyone want to comment on the effectiveness of the missing springs or not? Probably not an experiment anyone has done.
Cheers all.

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Re: Front end renovation
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2023, 01:29:21 PM »
Only around £4 each and available, why not just buy 2 and solve the problem?
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Re: Front end renovation
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2023, 01:33:12 PM »
Thats what I'm going to do, problem solved.
Just curious as why anyone would remove them in the first place.

My forks have subsequently self identified as 400/4 forks and I can report they feel at peace with themselves for the first time in 24hrs.

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Re: Front end renovation
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2023, 01:48:29 PM »

My forks have subsequently self identified as 400/4 forks and I can report they feel at peace with themselves for the first time in 24hrs.

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Re: Front end renovation
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2023, 02:38:05 PM »
They didnt remove them, they fell off and were not noticed

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Re: Front end renovation
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2023, 02:53:58 PM »
Interesting to see the difference between 400 & 500 fork innards - no big long bolt thingy- my 400 already had new seals fitted so it was the only part of my 400 that I did not rebuild.

One of the things for the future is to drain my 400 fork oil & see if it looks clean - I have that as a job for winter 2023/4 depending on my enthusiasm/motivation status.
Honda CB400NA Superdream (current money puddle)
Honda CB500 K1 (second money pit)
https://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,28541.0.html
Honda CB400 four super sport (first money pit)
Link to my full restoration http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,23291.0.html
This is a neat 500 restoration in the USA.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,151576.msg1731556.html#msg1731556

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Re: Front end renovation
« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2023, 11:33:24 PM »
They didnt remove them, they fell off and were not noticed

Or they are stuck in the bottom of the stanchions ? ;)

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Re: Front end renovation
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2023, 12:04:08 AM »
Good shout but sadly not. Had a good rummage and tapped the stanchion on the bench and nought fell out or is visible.
Steve Cooper has a pair on their way to me so all should be sorted in a couple of days.

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Re: Front end renovation
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2023, 02:57:00 AM »
I would strongly advise you finding a piece of wire, forming a fish hook in the end of it and fishing around at the bottom of the stanchions just in case. I’ve seen slime/mud/crap at the bottom of sliders that defies belief and that would be able to hold a small spring like that in place no problem.
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Re: Front end renovation
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2023, 08:20:35 AM »
Good shout but sadly not. Had a good rummage and tapped the stanchion on the bench and nought fell out or is visible.
Steve Cooper has a pair on their way to me so all should be sorted in a couple of days.

I was doing a set of forks on a FJ1200 recently and the rebound springs were well and truly stuck in the bottom of the stanchions so, get a light in there and see what you can see. You don't want two lots of rebound springs in a fork  ;)

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Re: Front end renovation
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2023, 09:39:26 AM »
When dismantling my 500 forks the bottom of the stations were black with crud - I washed them out with Petrol using a long brush to agitate the stubborn residue. I resorted to using a long piece  of 15 mm plastic pipe with some cloth attached to the end with tape to clean it all off. I shone  a torch down the stantion to ensure it was spotless.
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Honda CB400NA Superdream (current money puddle)
Honda CB500 K1 (second money pit)
https://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,28541.0.html
Honda CB400 four super sport (first money pit)
Link to my full restoration http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,23291.0.html
This is a neat 500 restoration in the USA.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,151576.msg1731556.html#msg1731556

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Re: Front end renovation
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2023, 10:11:56 AM »
Had a good furgle down the stanchions and no spring came to light.
They are pretty clean but will give them a going over with brake cleaner and a brush.
Took a pic with a cheap endoscope camera.