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Offline steven400/4

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« on: November 14, 2020, 01:49:58 PM »
ok peeps i just rebuilt my top end i had an oil leek from some where so i just started it up it ran soon as fuel got into the carbs i rev it and there was 1 small pop from the engine then i noticed oil all over the floor i noticed the oil filter was loose but i never touched it on the rebuild at all the thread on the bolt is stripped so could the pop i heard been the bolt popping out is if could there be anything i,ve done on the rebuild to corse it to happen
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Re: engine
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2020, 04:27:48 PM »
Has the engine been out of the frame with the oil filter housing sitting on the floor?. Has the thread stripped from inside the case as well as the bolt?
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Re: engine
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2020, 05:41:16 PM »
Ouch that sounds bad hope the thread in the engine case is okay and it's just the bolt that's been hydraulically expelled.
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Re: engine
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2020, 06:41:39 PM »
not been on the floor and yes thread gone on bolt and case not a happy chap i spent 8k building this bike with all new genuine parts that took 10 years to find now i,m trying to find some engine cases with the same letters on the bottom case so i dont have to work out and find some new shells again
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Re: engine
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2020, 07:04:46 PM »
not been on the floor and yes thread gone on bolt and case not a happy chap i spent 8k building this bike with all new genuine parts that took 10 years to find now i,m trying to find some engine cases with the same letters on the bottom case so i dont have to work out and find some new shells again
Oh dear, what a bummer. I must ask though, did you do a complete 100% engine overhaul without removing the oil filer and housing?. If it were me, I would want to know what has happened within the engine to make the filter bolt and the case threads give way like that.
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Re: engine
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2020, 07:18:33 PM »
all i,ve dune is change the head gasket as it was leaking
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2020, 07:20:01 PM »
all i,ve dune is change the head gasket as it was leaking
Ah, OK, I'm understanding now.
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Re: engine
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2020, 07:32:33 PM »
 I would be thinking about asking at a good engineering shop for options to weld up and rethread, weld in a made up insert or the possibility of a helicoil,  the odds of getting a set of cases with the same bearing letters will be in line with winning the lottery
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Re: engine
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2020, 07:35:50 PM »
I agree, get it fixed, not replaced!

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Re: engine
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2020, 08:13:09 PM »
You want to get it welded thats a complete strip and de oil

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Re: engine
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2020, 09:29:30 PM »
not been on the floor and yes thread gone on bolt and case not a happy chap i spent 8k building this bike with all new genuine parts that took 10 years to find now i,m trying to find some engine cases with the same letters on the bottom case so i dont have to work out and find some new shells again
Just reading this makes me anxious about the unknown happening. As others have said fix what you have if possible Trigger will no doubt have experience of such disasters and a way forwards.
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Re: engine
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2020, 09:57:42 PM »
I thought more in this direction but with a bespoke spigot to fit a retapped case to effect a repair.

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=86770.0

Cars routinely use a spacer plate for oil cooler take off with a screw in spigot that can effectively be "lost" in regard to spacing to fit an oil cooler feed into system too. The design principle is the interesting part as they're not size compatible.

There where also the same oil cooler kits made for these engine types when contemporary too.

You'd effectively need a bespoke sized spigot made to match an enlarged thread tapping in the case.

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Re: engine
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2020, 10:15:14 PM »
Or something along the lines of this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thread-Repair-Bushes-Lambda-Sensor-M18/dp/B009AT4DS2

Can't remember the Honda thread size,  but the concept is similar.

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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2020, 10:17:52 PM »
These sort of taps available at decent cost,  agian for size I'm not sure but you get the idea.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tap-Drill-M20-Type-126/dp/B00E3B0XBS

Offline steven400/4

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Re: engine
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2020, 08:40:52 AM »
thanks k2 k6 i ordered a tap yesturday before  i saw your reply lol i have sent that terry a message asking what he thinks what i can do
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