400/4 Wheel bearing questions ?

[K2-K6]

Just to add, if there were a torque setting for the ring, then that could be achieved without it closing in the bearing fully and making it likely to move in use.

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

As far as I understand it there's no torque setting for the lock ring as it doesn't generate tensile or compressive load in itself.

As you find too,  the torque to turn it can be variable once the wheel has been used, making absolute reference unreliable.

Essentially it needs the "staking" because it's not torqued,  just positional accuracy. 

If you drive the bearings in fully,  then assemble the wheel/spacers/brake fully into the swing arm, then torque the spindle fully the wheel should not alter rotation resistance when you do. This will give confirmation that the whole assembly is correctly installed.
Further,  if this did result in seating the main bearing slightly further in, then it is this final position that the retainer needs to tighten against to give competent rear wheel datum/alignment.
Si you can then fit the retainer correctly and secure it.

I follow your logic there I think that's a darn good idea. Ted

[K2-K6]

How did that "Si" sneak in there ?  must be Italian spelling correction 

Obviously shoul be   so.

[Bryanj]

Thread files tend to have all the different pitches on them and are very easy to use and usefull for damaged welded on studs

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

Thread files tend to have all the different pitches on them and are very easy to use and usefull for damaged welded on studs

Okay what size thread file will I need all I know about the rear lock ring is it's about 54.7mm o/d with a 1.5 mm pitch?

The file in the link from Laverdaroo seems to show 8 thread sizes on a 4 sided tool - ah it's double ended.

[Laverdaroo]

Do you have a tap and die set Ted, there should be thread gauge in there? if not I can bob out to the shed and measure it for you?

[taysidedragon]

Thread files tend to have all the different pitches on them and are very easy to use and usefull for damaged welded on studs

Okay what size thread file will I need all I know about the rear lock ring is it's about 54.7mm o/d with a 1.5 mm pitch?

The file in the link from Laverdaroo seems to show 8 thread sizes on a 4 sided tool - ah it's double ended.

I think you answered your own question. 😉

[Laverdaroo]

I thought it might be but didn't want to get hammered hence the offer

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

I thought it might be but didn't want to get hammered hence the offer

Some days my brain runs very slow like my 6 year old laptop - I've 73 years of junk files to cope with.lol

[Laverdaroo]

I dunno Ted, that bike youre producing is benefiting rather nicely from your 73 years of junk files....................and SPAM

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

I used to love Spam Fritters from the Chipie how did you know are you clairvoyant ?

[Laverdaroo]

  You gotta love SPAM, best barbel bait there is

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

You gotta love SPAM, best barbel bait there is

I've not caught a Barbel since I was a schoolboy - I've been a couple of times fishing just for Barbel on the river Derwent at the weir in Darley Abbey I was thwarted as the river was somewhat in flood. I chatted to a fellow angler who came up regularly from London to fish the spot using boilies- he did say that when the water levels were high he would blank.

It's on my bucket list to catch a Barbel.

[Sesman]

Ted.

Take a holiday in Yorkshire and fish the Derwent at Kirkham Abbey (10miles North of York on the A64) about 400 yards downstream on the bends. July/August is best in the early morning or late evening. Use luncheon meat or mussels on a hair rig.

[Laverdaroo]

For guarenteed barbel, the trent is the only river I'd bet on for results, especially the tidal parts. I did an article for the angling times with Martin Bowler on one of my waters I had. Great fishing.

If you go to Newby Hall up in Yorkshire the section below the bottom weir is a banger of a spot and day tickets on the bank!! I'm not turning this into a 'Where to fish for Barbel' but if anybody wants directions or maps, drop me a pm, I've got loads from all over the county. One of my favourite quarries apart from Tench.