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AshimotoK0:
--- Quote from: florence on October 05, 2017, 03:07:39 PM ---I've always found Haynes for CB500 to be very useful. I never managed to find one for CB350 which annoyed me. The one I do have is published by Cycleserv, Sydney and is a bit dodgy.
The Haynes for the Land Rover Series 2/3 is great.
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I have the CB250/350K Twins one .. It came from a closed down library I think
Nurse Julie:
--- Quote from: kevski on October 05, 2017, 02:42:32 PM ---
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--- Quote from: Bryanj on October 05, 2017, 08:09:38 AM ---I have found glaring mistakes in the Haynes manuals (specially brit models), but as you say also in genuine ones. Haynes are a good low price manual for the person who does his own regular maintenance but need to be read alongside a "real" manual for a full rebuild
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Yes Bryan, plenty of mistakes as well. But, how is a novice meant to know what a 'mistake' is if they have not had the practical experience previously to learn what is a mistake?
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How is anyone supposed to know? the answer is research! if you have not got the sense to do this you haven't got the sense to do the job.
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Gosh, If I were a sensitive person that may have upset me but, I'm not overly sensitive and I haven't the time to get upset ;D ;D ;D
My bug bear with any, or most manuals, instruction booklets, handbooks etc, including Haynes is the lack of rational for doing something in a particular way. It's OK a piece of paper saying 'do this' or 'do that' but with no explanation behind the instruction it's not conducive to a learning experience. I agree, research is hugely important before, during and after a new experience for the learning cycle to be complete and I do research, it would be against my nature and my professional background not to, especially as I have a MSc in Research Methodology, Teaching, Implementation and Outcomes. Now......where was I, oh yes, Page 22 :) :) :)
I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
Confucius
Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC)
MrDavo:
When I was young and hotheaded, I stabbed a Haynes manual for telling me that the stuck rear wheel bearing ring on my Triumph was a 'left handed thread, except for some models where a right handed thread was used'.
Also I found out the hard way that if you assembled the 5 speed Triumph gearbox as per the photos in the manual, it wasn't timed right and gave you about a gear and a half.
I have a Haynes CB750 manual, but only as a second source in case something in the genuine Honda manual gets lost in translation. I think they were useful in their day, when only genuine dealers were allowed to buy the real thing.
kevski:
--- Quote from: Nurse Julie on October 05, 2017, 04:57:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: kevski on October 05, 2017, 02:42:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: Nurse Julie on October 05, 2017, 09:27:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: Bryanj on October 05, 2017, 08:09:38 AM ---I have found glaring mistakes in the Haynes manuals (specially brit models), but as you say also in genuine ones. Haynes are a good low price manual for the person who does his own regular maintenance but need to be read alongside a "real" manual for a full rebuild
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Yes Bryan, plenty of mistakes as well. But, how is a novice meant to know what a 'mistake' is if they have not had the practical experience previously to learn what is a mistake?
--- End quote ---
How is anyone supposed to know? the answer is research! if you have not got the sense to do this you haven't got the sense to do the job.
--- End quote ---
Gosh, If I were a sensitive person that may have upset me but, I'm not overly sensitive and I haven't the time to get upset ;D ;D ;D
My bug bear with any, or most manuals, instruction booklets, handbooks etc, including Haynes is the lack of rational for doing something in a particular way. It's OK a piece of paper saying 'do this' or 'do that' but with no explanation behind the instruction it's not conducive to a learning experience. I agree, research is hugely important before, during and after a new experience for the learning cycle to be complete and I do research, it would be against my nature and my professional background not to, especially as I have a MSc in Research Methodology, Teaching, Implementation and Outcomes. Now......where was I, oh yes, Page 22 :) :) :)
I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
Confucius
Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC)
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No target in my post, just a direct answer to a possible scenario.
matthewmosse:
Hmmm, they are handy, but my 550 one has black and white pictures that are appalling and unclear, like poor quality photocopies. I find my brooklands gold portfolio of the same model more useful. The chief but bears are, 1, the layout, particularly when the manual is dealing with several models and it keeps referring you back to another chapter or the torque settings being on another page at the beginning of the cheaper. I was using the Berlingo Haynes manual the other day, it's about the worst I have encountered, everything was a case of saying beyond a home mechanic so take the car to your Citroen dealer - sod that the car was £200 and a basic service might well cost more. In the end I googled the answers and it was not rocket science and I had more than sufficient tooling. Made the £18 I spent on the book a bit of a poor deal. It does rather vary according to the individual manual. The best manual I have encountered is the factory manual for my kh125. Details lots of things, right down to how to measure big end bearing wear and why measure it a particular way.
My biggest peeve. 'RE ASSEMBLY in reverse order of disassembly. So why hate this so much? It assumes you received it correctly assembled and in decent order. 99% of the time I'm pulling something apart because it no longer works so a failed circlip spews bits off the end of a shaft, springs, washers cogs and spacers, you consult your manual and it gives you a blurred and badly printed photo of nearby bits. I vastly prefer my land rover manuals that include exploded diagrams of the assemblies, in fact a lot of my manuals show this information but never Haynes. Some are better, other than the quality of the pictures and a few errors the cb550 manual was not too bad and I rebuilt a engine from a pile of ready stripped engines with it ad my first rebuild. I now have several manuals for the cb500 and 550 including Pittman, Climber, Haynes, Honda and Brooklands. Each has it's strengths. Having working internet has vastly inproved the ability to research any given job and overcome the weaknesses of Haynes. Oh, other bug bear haynes like to assume you are pulling the whole vehicle apart, the fault finding and repair is weak. Kick starter on the cb500 is easy enough to fix through the sump, the manual has you pulling the whole engine to bits for a curtain circlip retained cog, spacers and spring, which as it's fallen apart in hidden it is not going to be possible to reverse the dismantling procedure....
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