Teds new project a CB500 K1 mostly version 0.5 circa 1972.

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

Isn't that because the heated it a little too much? My powder coating guy re-did  my Guzzi wheels (which looked fine to me!) without me even asking. He said that the pimples / spots were because the oven temp was a little high.

My hubs are okay - if it bugs me in the furure I can have the brake plate  re-done next winter - the Guy at CWC was a  Brummy with the famous patter so I accepted his reasoning that it was old alluminium causing the gassing problem. I had done some preparation on the brake plate beforehand as well.

Despite the warmer weather I am leaving fitting the wheel bearigs until I've done some other household tasks plus some garden work. I plan to ride the 400 as soon as the weather really warms up for me - I can finish  the 500 build if we have a wet summer.  My original plan to have the 500 done for my Birthday in early May 2024 has been put back a month or two.

Never say never -  atm the 500 is my last full project - I've gone off the Maicoletta idea for now as there is a very small pool to choose from with all the attendant parts finding problems. Might all change when I go to Stafford Bike Show as the Maico Owners Club will be there.

I haven't the room for 3 bikes and despite it being too small for me I like the 400 more each time I ride her so I can't bear the thought of it having to go to make room for a  Scooter.

[Johnny4428]

Another shed Ted!😜 (and it rythmes)

[davidcumbria]

My opinion for what it’s worth Ted. Don’t sell your 400 Ted after all that time , effort, blood sweat and tears. Only you know and can fully appreciate how much has gone into it. Going slow and tinkering away with the 500 will keep you garage busy this summer. Wthrres no rush if you’ve got a bike to ride and enjoy. When both are finished would be a good time to think about another project, if any. 👍

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

You speak the truth David - my first project is like my first GSDog only death parted us after 14 years. 

PS Not to mention the Money Pit balance!

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

Not  worthy of any photos as it's a pretty mundane task needing a bit of energy with a medium sized lump hammer.
So this morning fitted the front wheel bearings in my 500 hubs.

As well as the bearings being kept in the freezer for a couple of days I warmed up the hubs a tad with one of Wendy's old Hairdriers on full heat as I did not want to risk anything hotter.
I had checked that the new retainer fitted the threaded section beforehand.
After fitting the bearing the new retainer did not want to go in by hand - I started to panic.
I saw that there was a slight bit of thread near one of the four original stake marks that was slightly flattened - probably caught the edge with my drift tool.
I used the old retainer as a sort of thread cleaner after loading it with grease. (I cut four slots across the width of the thread, wire brush and remove any burrs.)
New retainer then went in by hand after clearing out any debris in the grease.

I have a small piece of plastic speed fit pipe with a slot along it's length that I use to hold the retainer in position when fitting the second bearing. It might have been my imagination but the bearings  seemed to knock in a tad easier with the added heat on the hub.

I could not find a torque setting so settled for very tight plus a bit of extra on two opposing slots with a small screwdriver blade.

[Johnny4428]

Sounds like good work done there Ted! Satisfying end to a small crisis.👍

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

It was a sheer panic moment at first Johnny - front wheel is now fitted with caliper in place just leaves torquing up the front of the axle clamps, then the rear.wheel bearing to fit.

Currently starting work on the rear hubs.👍👍👍

[davidcumbria]

That’s a proper old mechanic trick for cleaning up the thread. Satisfying to get the nest bearings in 👍

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

It's something my late father taught me when I was in my early teens David and have never forgotten.
Not done it for several decades though as I pretty much stopped servicing my own cars twenty years ago.

For the range of smaller Honda threads I have a few taps & dies.

Question

Do the rear hub cushion rubbers need to be fitted completely dry ?
I was thinking a light smear of rubber grease might help with fittinng the outer drive part.

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

I have fitted the left rear fixed bearing in place together with the short & long spacer & retainer ring nipped up. Spacers all held in place with a piece of slotted plastic overflow pipe to maintain alignment.
My next task is to fit the right rear wheel bearing - my concern is to avoid any chance of thread damage to the bearing retainer threads whilst fitting the other bearing.

I was going to leave the retainer screw off, then fit the bearing but want to avoid any chance of damaging the hub thread as I use a wooden support at the centre with a rubber pad on top.

Would it be okay to fit the retainer ring first and just support that instead?

Is there a best way round to do it?

I plead guilty to over thinking in advance!

 

[Bryanj]

Never had a problem just knocking them in Ted

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

Never had a problem just knocking them in Ted

thinking it through Bryan  it will make no differance if the sprocket carrier is in place or just the steel retianer ring - same force on the same part when knocking the bearing in - I'll make sure I've warmed the housing up first.

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

Nice warm day so decided to finish fitting the rear wheel bearings this afternoom, new bearing had been in the freezer in a zip lock bag for a few days, heated the hub center up with an old hair dryer - they knocked in without difficulty using my drift tool. Center spacer held in position with piece of plasic pipe. so it's all good for when the axle is fitted nicely aligned.

Fitted all new drive cushion rubbers into the slots with a very light coat of red rubber grease, D ring fitted using same grease.
Greased  hub center it pushed in by hand but not fully home for the last 2 or 3 mm.

Not sure if it should go flush by hand or if the retainer has to pull it fully home?
I don't want to force it at this stage so have left it for tonight - tea & beer reward.

It might be worth pulling it out to check the D ring is okay - I fitted it as it came I did not turn the D ring inside out.

My rear hub tool for the left hand threaded retainer does not seem to want to fit on the new retainer ring but it fits the old one perfectly wtf is going on here?
It's a DS retainer ring.

Update Fresh day, removed the hub, D ring was undamaged, used some extra grease, it went in easier just needed to tighten the retainer ring to pull it home the last few mm. I used the old retainer as my tool fits this. No big leverage needed on the retainer just screwed in easily.

Just need to decide what to do to about the poor fit of the new retainer in the tool - two pegs line up nicely but the fourth just does not engage by hand - I'm reluctant to hammer the tool to make it fit!

Could it be the DS retainer ring or is it the tool?

[Craizeehair]

Do you mean this retainer and tool Ted?



If so, I recently bought the tool and an aftermarket retainer from a different supplier and the tool didn’t fit correctly, as you can see. When I contacted them, they checked their stock and found the new batch of retainers didn’t fit the tool but the original Honda retainers did. They sent me a genuine Honda one as a replacement which was fine. I wonder if DSS has the same issue?

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

I've contacted the tool provider who supply the same tool to DS. It appears that the supplier for the retainers were the issue. I've been offered some turned down pins as an option for my tool. I will contact DS and see if they can supply a better part.
The rear tool is a different design to the front one.

The 500 retainer has a different pitch circle so my 400 tool is too small, on the 500 it also holds the rear drive hub in place.

Update DS have tried their tool in the three retainers they have on the shelf - one does not fit the tool. They will not send me a replacement part until they have recived my part back and tried it in their tool!