Post by: Laverdaroo on November 13, 2021, 09:32:00 PM
Carbs off and fully stripped but not seen green residue before, it got brighter the older and drier it got…..how queer!
Opened up and no float retainers, so that’s the first blag/purchase request. Anybody got 4 they want to part with?
I’ll order a new main spring, as you can see, interesting alternative figment
The sonic cleaner is being wragged to death in the pantry and will probably be on most of tomorrow at this rate, there’s a fair bit to sort out! And clean!
It appears they’ve been opened before as there’s new screws on the top and bottom but no evidence of any internal intrusion. That being said there are various o rings in places they shouldn’t be in the spindles etc. just bobbing about not doing anything as they’re too big and just bob up and down the arms so someone’s faffed about.
I presume because I need four of the metal float retaining clips that live in the bowls they’re dearer than diamonds and rarer than hens teeth? Can anybody help?
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Post by: Bryanj on November 13, 2021, 10:00:57 PM
O ring kits you get from Nurse Julie direct rather than ebay
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Post by: Laverdaroo on November 13, 2021, 10:40:10 PM
I've got good pins thanks Julie .. Probably the only, easy to remove bit of the whole operation tbh :)
Julie's sorted me out for o rings Bryan and if you mean the little barrel bit for the spring? Well funny thing that, ..........when splitting the carbs apart, not one but one good one and one mangled one fell out of a greasy dirty corner stuck together with a load of crap. Winner!
What's the best attack on the bowls and tops for shining them up? Polish or have plated? (if poss)
Talking of which, can you buy the gaskets for the tops on their own or only with a kit. Im going to use the original brass wear if it comes up ok but will need gaskets, presumably if not its going to be gasket paper/crunchy nut cornflakes packet and a sharp Stanley?
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Post by: Laverdaroo on November 13, 2021, 11:09:30 PM
It appears that ebay is dry of them at the min but common Motor in the states do them at $8 each plus a billion quid customs clearance, but at least they're available. Be easier if there were a set over here but you an have it all. Meant to ask, where do I look for this code to identify which type they are< Im sure I've seen it on here somewhere, P something carbs or am I mad? Not really started to read up just going at a bit of cleaning at the min but I'm sure there was a set to have and set not to have? No?
Post by: Bryanj on November 13, 2021, 11:49:10 PM
Or ebay 113717285385 from holland £33 a set
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 14, 2021, 12:00:35 AM
The code is on the carb flange where it bolts to the bracket, i just googled 500 four main jet clips and went down the list and sirius came up with stainless ones about $38 a set of 4
AAhhh, I was looking for 550 clips although they're the same I presume? i'll have look mate, cheers Bryan,
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Post by: Nurse Julie on November 14, 2021, 09:05:21 AM
Edit...... I've found 2 in the box that are usable Roo.
Edit...... Found another 2 as well.
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 14, 2021, 11:57:43 AM
Roo.... Trig has a box of used carb jet springs here that he's just told me about 🙄🙄🙄.
Edit...... I've found 2 in the box that are usable Roo.
Edit...... Found another 2 as well.
ooo, ooo, BAGSEY!!!!! 8)
Post by: Nurse Julie on November 14, 2021, 11:59:46 AM
OK Roo, see what else you need that we may have or you'll be spending more on post than parts 🤣🤣🤣🤣Roo.... Trig has a box of used carb jet springs here that he's just told me about 🙄🙄🙄.
Edit...... I've found 2 in the box that are usable Roo.
Edit...... Found another 2 as well.
ooo, ooo, BAGSEY!!!!! 8)
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 14, 2021, 12:21:09 PM
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ha ha, I will. I only set about it as it was that or start painting windows............BOL++CKS to that thought I, I must have something to fiddle with in the shed and Mejima was the first thing I saw so before I knew it the carbs were being split on thekitchen table 8)
Chewy is getting moved to the hall for the winter so I can fiddle with Rosey, (the VFR) and the 550 so it appears that its going to be a busy winter ;D
As soon as get the frame replacement (up in Wakefield still) I can start sticking bits on it and see what else I need. I'l keep you posted Julie ;D ;D ;D
I knw youre a Gin fiend, whats Trig's tipple?
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 14, 2021, 12:26:20 PM
Looks like someone has already removed the pin, the surface is far too flat for the original finish.
Also the butterfly looks out of line with the cable clamps.
The whole thing is out of jig a bit, it appears its had a hard life but Im sure it will nanny up ok. Is that the pin then, I cant see any way of getting the bar out as it rocks slightly to either side but theres nothing else physically there that could effect the removal. If it is, what do I replace it with?
I thought that a shaft from a used rivet might be good as its fairly soft and can be filed soon to suit once in? What does the consensus use when tackling this issue. The bar has to come out its well hammered and needs sorting, its not going back on like it is.
Post by: Bryanj on November 14, 2021, 01:10:28 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 14, 2021, 01:14:35 PM
Cheers Bryan.
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 14, 2021, 04:10:18 PM
I bought some special brass bolts which have a protruding end on them, you tap out the alloy bracket, file down the brass end to match the slot in the bar and your good to go. I have a few, you want one?
See if the flat part of that pin is separate from the bracket, to me that looks to be part of the pin, in which case you can just lever under the flat part and get the pin out.
Yes please that would be really helpful Ken, cheers. I'll pm you my address mate.
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 29, 2021, 09:46:42 PM
Bit of an update,
Had rge carbs fully apart and cleaned all the way through with teh bodies off to my pal with the vapour blaster in Yeoville and when theyre done they should have a nice clear ceracote to them and looking like new with a bit of luck. I stared teh unenviable task of cleaning up the caps and bowls wich were in a right state but came up fairly well for the first go. Ive not actually seen them in daylight yet but they looked half OK for a start off.
Julie kindly found me a set of used springs for the bowls so thats taken care of now and they're ready for bobbing together once I scoot down and collect my bag of 'shiny' on Saturday form the blasters.
Onwards 8)
So on this one I'm going to have the side panels on it so asking for advice from anyone who's bought an after-market set off fleabay. Are they any good and was there a consensus on where was best to get them from, eg a particular seller etc.
Any advice gratefully received and absorbed.
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 29, 2021, 09:55:25 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on November 29, 2021, 09:58:02 PM
https://lpmreplicaparts.com/
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 29, 2021, 10:51:43 PM
Thanks Julie, You're ace ;) :) :)
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Thanks again julie x
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 30, 2021, 06:48:20 PM
So, only two caps to do but getting there.
For the record, I HATE POLISHING METAL
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Post by: Laverdaroo on November 30, 2021, 07:01:34 PM
Beautifully made and super chuffed.
I went for these as on Chewy, there’s no rear mudguard so having a complete back panel should reduce the crap being flung into the carbs/filter and(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211130/ecc82f1e6bba410ebb9de692657d17d7.jpg)
Due to a lack of space, look quite cool. Rather than faff about with pods but wanting the open look as requested by The Long Haired General, I thought at least it’s a complete box to aid in the intake and not have to faff so much getting pods to play ball on an individual basis…..sort of thing.
Hoping to have a fiddle on Saturday as the pipes are coming back all finished and then I’ll bob the filter on and bar a run up and tune, Chewy’s done!
I can get on and start mine
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 01, 2021, 05:07:21 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 01, 2021, 06:01:36 PM
There's a K&N type foam strip between two of the Bee screens. I was more interested in the smoother air flow to aid in the tuning rather than the looks but they look fantastic which is brilliant.
I'm so knackered at the end of the day in this pants weather I can't make it to the shed on an evening after making lunches, shower etc but I'm gagging to get them fitted. With the finished exhaust system coming on Saturday It means I'm done...........for now! ;D
So looking forward to seeing it finished and outside, albeit briefly. Chewy's been given a pass to come and live under the stairs for the winter so I can concentrate on mine. I've the 550 (Mejima)to get stuck into and a fork rebuild, brake line change, swap swing arm and do some other fettling on the VFR (Rose)ready for next year so heaps to crack on with. With Chewy under the stairs I wont have to play 'Workshop Tetris' every time I want to have a go at something!
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 03, 2021, 12:15:22 AM
https://nrp-carbs.co.uk/shop/index.php?route=product/product&path=50&product_id=4437T
hey dont have the 550 listed and kinda chancing my arm but seems good value as a kit and Hoping its compatable.
cheers , the hoarding continues....... 8).
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part number:43451323020
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Thanks for looking.......
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Post by: Nurse Julie on December 05, 2021, 02:59:13 PM
No rush Julie I wont, still hoarding but thought I bought one but cant find it so evidently didnt and bought a tourq rod instead. even though I had one of those ::)Sent you an email Roo.
Thanks for looking.......
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 11, 2021, 05:36:37 PM
No rush Julie I wont, still hoarding but thought I bought one but cant find it so evidently didnt and bought a tourq rod instead. even though I had one of those ::)Sent you an email Roo.
Thanks for looking.......
Came to day Julie, just opened it..................oooo, shiny, thats a belter, cheers Julie, youre a star as ever. Cheers mate :) :) 8)
Post by: Nurse Julie on December 11, 2021, 05:41:08 PM
Great, I'm pleased you're pleased 😊😊😊. It's always nice to find homes for parts to forum members.No rush Julie I wont, still hoarding but thought I bought one but cant find it so evidently didnt and bought a tourq rod instead. even though I had one of those ::)Sent you an email Roo.
Thanks for looking.......
Came to day Julie, just opened it..................oooo, shiny, thats a belter, cheers Julie, youre a star as ever. Cheers mate :) :) 8)
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Its been sitting for years hence but I think they'll be servicable wont they? It shouldnt effect the fueling I dont think.........unless I'm kidding me self?
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 11, 2021, 09:04:49 PM
I will, I learnt the hard way years ago on an old honda of a pals. That was before I knew how brittle they can be.
I've got some bits to plate and the bar to have rechromed yet so I'm in no rush but I'm going to go down the shed in a bit and grab some bits and bobs to spread out onto the kitchen table and have a fettle. I'll probably put at least a couple together tonight whilst formulating a plan for the rest of the bits to complete them.
It's only screws, springs etc to plate and some of the brass to clean up a bit and ACF up but its quite nice whilst planet Rock's burbling about in the background. 8)
Post by: heli_madken on December 11, 2021, 11:15:12 PM
I'll probably put at least a couple together tonight whilst formulating a plan for the rest of the bits to complete them.
Now thats my idea of a Saturday night!!
Let me know the trick to convincing my wife its also her idea of a Saturday night?
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I’ve been through the lot and anything not quite up to scratch is getting plated.
One thing I did notice on the strip abs forgot about until now is that the 90 degree vent on carb body three is completely missing and so is the little spring on the butterfly shaft. (Shown)
HUGE long shot but anyone got a knackered Number 3 body they want rid of? I presume these are unobtainable as shown in the fiche so looking for solutions please if anyone can come up with anything?
Cheers all
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Post by: Laverdaroo on December 12, 2021, 11:55:17 PM
Never thought about aquarium fittings thats particularly cunning of you and I'm going straight to the 'Drawer of Great Dissapointment' in the kitchen to a have a look. I had some chromed ones for a koi set up lurking about and might still have a couple somewhere. Wicked idea mate. :) :) :) :) :)
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 13, 2021, 06:38:19 AM
You must be younger than me to have two builds on the go!
There are lots of aquarium fittings on e-bay with some choice in diameters as well.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on December 13, 2021, 07:55:08 AM
Everyone knows that bread bag ties, loose bits of hairy string, tap washers and random sealer and poo bags simply aren’t to be found in bedside cabinets!
Just not right!
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Post by: andy120t on December 13, 2021, 08:05:10 AM
I've also recently lost my drawer to a kitchen redesign and I can't now find anything. On the plus side, when my adored wife asks where anything is...sellotape, scissors..fuses... I just point her to where she now has the oh-so-useful-slide-out-bin-storage . Thanks Howdens, what was wrong with the bin under the sink?!
Post by: Nurse Julie on December 13, 2021, 08:54:50 AM
If the kitchen junk draw fix doesn't work, I have a complete #3 body. It's not as blingy as yours though but you could sort that out.
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 13, 2021, 10:17:42 AM
Hi Roo.Nice one Julie, I’ll have a fiddle with this brass fitting that’s coming to see if I can make it fit with a bit of ‘nannying’ but if that fails which it probably will, what sort of dosh would need to be slithered across your palm to secure it?
If the kitchen junk draw fix doesn't work, I have a complete #3 body. It's not as blingy as yours though but you could sort that out.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on December 13, 2021, 10:24:16 AM
I’ve ordered one of these to have a play…..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211213/f8fe9fd2b5bb7e6e3bfd174ba1f79849.jpg)Hi Roo.Nice one Julie, I’ll have a fiddle with this brass fitting that’s coming to see if I can make it fit with a bit of ‘nannying’ but if that fails which it probably will, what sort of dosh would need to be slithered across your palm to secure it?
If the kitchen junk draw fix doesn't work, I have a complete #3 body. It's not as blingy as yours though but you could sort that out.
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Post by: Nurse Julie on December 13, 2021, 03:28:14 PM
I've sent you an email Roo with some pics.I’ve ordered one of these to have a play…..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211213/f8fe9fd2b5bb7e6e3bfd174ba1f79849.jpg)Hi Roo.Nice one Julie, I’ll have a fiddle with this brass fitting that’s coming to see if I can make it fit with a bit of ‘nannying’ but if that fails which it probably will, what sort of dosh would need to be slithered across your palm to secure it?
If the kitchen junk draw fix doesn't work, I have a complete #3 body. It's not as blingy as yours though but you could sort that out.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on December 13, 2021, 04:44:29 PM
Those carbs are coming on a treat Roo.
You must be younger than me to have two builds on the go!
There are lots of aquarium fittings on e-bay with some choice in diameters as well.
no, not really. Well I am but dont feel it at the minute Ted, this working outside is doing me in! :-[
I'm only playing with the carbs as there' so much to do on them and trying to get ahead whilst I wait for a couple of finishing off bits for 'Chewy'
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 21, 2021, 10:07:59 PM
Quick substance question.
This part of my carb assembly is rather shagged out and I’m lucky enough to discover that not 10 miles from the burrow door, there resides a chrome plater and refinisher, wicked…..who knew?
Doug Taylor Metal Refinishers
Banwell, western-super-mud
Anyway, as they’re close I think I might trundle down and get this rather worse for wear rod re done. Question is, what finish is it, is it Nickel plate?
Just so I know what to ask for, yer know
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Post by: Sesman on December 21, 2021, 10:43:26 PM
I’m sure somebody more knowledgeable will be along in a minute, but my understanding is that the original finish was chrome. I believe most either leave well alone part from a good polish with steel wool and 2000grade emery or have it hard chromed by the likes of philpotts. Personally I’ll be polishing the feck out of mine then a light spray with lacquer.
Post by: K2-K6 on December 21, 2021, 10:57:06 PM
Nickel not generally used as final finish (maybe "undercoat" ) on these bikes. Ordinarily would be more of a brassy look on Nickel plating for reference.
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 21, 2021, 11:06:58 PM
Thanks fella's..
I bloody hate polishing n all ::) ;D
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 22, 2021, 02:52:12 AM
Not sure if the rust is where it is visible but it will look better after a couple of days in soak.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on December 22, 2021, 05:27:44 PM
There is a theory the spindle were hard chromed but seeing how they rust etc it's not looking likely. My experience of hard chrome is that it's virtually indestructible, had my fork stanchions done years ago now and they are totally unmarked after many thousands of miles. I had mine hard chromed, cost me £22.50. Maybe Philpotts could help out. Mine was done at Dynasurf in Sandbach. Normal bright chrome isn't recommended, I suspect it wouldn't fit afterwards, even my hard chromed one was a tight fit. Plus I'd imagine it would rust pretty quick.
That's why I was asking Ken I thought I might have heard it was hard chromed but I'm such an air head these days I couldnt remember where I'd read that.
I'll give Philpotts a call I think, hopefully they might be able to sort it so that it fits once done. Cheers for all the info mind, it's very much appreciated.
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 22, 2021, 05:42:38 PM
Have you tried evaporust on the shaft?
Not sure if the rust is where it is visible but it will look better after a couple of days in soak.
I havent Ted, I dont use it. I've heard mixed results tbh and tend to use other nastier fluids to strip things. I'm going to go at it with the wire wheel later to get it back to smooth at least and then probably send it off to someone that might be able to fettle it
for me externally.
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 29, 2021, 01:10:23 PM
, I’ll endeavour to get some more done.I’ve polished the granny out of the balance bar and it’s come up reasonably well but I’m still going to have a run out tmrw on the VFR as the last ride of the year to the platers to see if they can suggest anything.
Onwards though, which is great
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This is the third time I've been through this now, doing builds and I hate it each time although its quite satisfying. Reasonably happy with the results though so onwards. 8)
I'm really just finding things to do while I wait for bits to finish the 400 to come in but they've got to be transferable to the kitchen so I can do it in front of the fire if I need to as I'm working late at the min and cant face a cold shed just now. ;D Its only because I need the fire on to plate everything, I was in there........... ;D ;D.
Another job ticked off but it wont be the last time the vats come out on this one I think!
Post by: Oddjob on December 29, 2021, 09:41:36 PM
Is that just zinc or zinc/nickel Roo?
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 29, 2021, 10:19:14 PM
Come up nicely in most areas so chuffed with this lot. As you know there’s nothing worse after heaps of prep for it to go T U!
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Not coming up too bad and just the big bracket type back plate to finish off and fit and they’ll be done. I won’t bench sync them yet or do the float heights, they’re just a big faff out the way before I can get her on the bench and stripped.
Quite chuffed although a bit of blooming on a couple of bits but I can live with that as the coverage is good and they’ll get an autosol (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211230/3f8850232cf3dd9a634fa70c33c2d646.jpg)
before they’re fitted and most will rub off with that but feel I’ve earned my ‘Ned in the Shed’ badge today
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Still pondering how to fix it in, would solder work or some silicon tape or hairy string? Not sure until it comes.
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Post by: Bryanj on December 31, 2021, 01:05:09 AM
Post by: Oddjob on December 31, 2021, 01:38:26 AM
Always wondered why Honda failed to fit spring washers under the heads of the choke flap screws, if one of those come loose it’s going straight into the combustion chamber. Ok, so they peened the back of the screws a little when new but I’m willing to bet nobody does that when they get refitted, another thing, Mark Paris recommends cutting down any protruding part of the carb balancing adapter screws on the intake manifolds so that they don’t upset the airflow, so presumably the same thing could apply to the choke flaps screws, so I intend to replace the screws with stainless ones, fit a spring washer then file them flat on the reverse, whilst not mounted of course so that no chance of metal filings going into the carb bodies. Maybe I’m just going ott but then again maybe it will make a very small difference.
Oh and Roo, Mark also says approx 5 psi in the forks and I think it was approx 10mm of preload. I’ll check that when I can find his notes on the 500.
Post by: AshimotoK0 on December 31, 2021, 07:56:18 AM
Still wondering why you didn’t just buy a plastic right angled pipe connector Roo, you could just sand the end until it fitted the body, no one will ever see it with the pipe on.
Always wondered why Honda failed to fit spring washers under the heads of the choke flap screws, if one of those come loose it’s going straight into the combustion chamber. Ok, so they peened the back of the screws a little when new but I’m willing to bet nobody does that when they get refitted, another thing, Mark Paris recommends cutting down any protruding part of the carb balancing adapter screws on the intake manifolds so that they don’t upset the airflow, so presumably the same thing could apply to the choke flaps screws, so I intend to replace the screws with stainless ones, fit a spring washer then file them flat on the reverse, whilst not mounted of course so that no chance of metal filings going into the carb bodies. Maybe I’m just going ott but then again maybe it will make a very small difference.
Oh and Roo, Mark also says approx 5 psi in the forks and I think it was approx 10mm of preload. I’ll check that when I can find his notes on the 500.
I always wondered about this Service Bulletin attached, concerning an M6 nut finding itself inside the engine on the CB750/Sandcast air filter housing.
Then I got talking to a bloke who was the Service Manager at Freddie Friths's in Grimsby in 1970 and he told me that the very 1st CB750 he worked on for repair not servicing was that very fault. He also told me that the comedian Dick Emery came in and test drove one of the 1st CB750's, as he was in pantomime in Cleethorpes .. but as we all know Dick went on to buy one from Tippets of Surbiton
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 31, 2021, 09:15:11 AM
Still wondering why you didn’t just buy a plastic right angled pipe connector Roo, you could just sand the end until it fitted the body, no one will ever see it with the pipe on.
Always wondered why Honda failed to fit spring washers under the heads of the choke flap screws, if one of those come loose it’s going straight into the combustion chamber. Ok, so they peened the back of the screws a little when new but I’m willing to bet nobody does that when they get refitted, another thing, Mark Paris recommends cutting down any protruding part of the carb balancing adapter screws on the intake manifolds so that they don’t upset the airflow, so presumably the same thing could apply to the choke flaps screws, so I intend to replace the screws with stainless ones, fit a spring washer then file them flat on the reverse, whilst not mounted of course so that no chance of metal filings going into the carb bodies. Maybe I’m just going ott but then again maybe it will make a very small difference.
I didnt Ken as being in the aquatics trade as a fishery manager and dealing with all things pumps,air lines and the like Ive heaps of expoerience with fittings and although didnt twig at he time until ypu mentioned it, I know that after time theose plastic fittings get brittle and are effected by heat after a while too so went belt and braces on the fittimg.I bought one that was toosmall to start then ordered a couple of options to file down to tap in. They'lllast longer and wont be as much of a potential fail. It would be just my luck to have em all sorted, fit them and then pull out the fitting and have to take the carbs off again to refit. Plus, I'll always know its there and it'll bug me.
I wandered about the choke flap screws so dabbed a bit of loctite on them but to be fair, after plating them they are a particularly tight fit and I cant see them coming out but did have exactly that thought whilst putting them together.
The rest of it may come in the post today back from the repairers and I'll have another go at finishing them off but for now, I'm off chub fishing for the afternoon, I havent managed to have any dangling all christmas and I want a session in before the end of the year. Even just to say Ive been and had a mooch about.
Nice one on the fork cap PSI rating Ken, let me know.
Did you have a chance to find me one of those brass screws to attach the actuator bar back onto these carbs Ken, you mentioned you had a few knocking about, is one still up for grabs?
Oh and Roo, Mark also says approx 5 psi in the forks and I think it was approx 10mm of preload. I’ll check that when I can find his notes on the 500.
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Trim those screws into the inlet manifolds, measure the bores of them all and see if they match, if not make them match, smooth out any casting marks, rough spots etc. Should get another 5bhp doing that without affecting engine response.
If you want a little more power, get the cam lobes modified, no more lift, just more duration. So 5 degrees of overlap and 10 degrees of duration. Engine won't be cammy with such a mild mod. Think I have a spare cam so may just try that one.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on December 31, 2021, 07:52:52 PM
Bloody hell, Roo. That’s just ridiculous.Isn’t it!
I opened up a ‘whole can of Northerner’ at Hermes, got a full refund, apology letter and a £50 credit on my PayPal account!
The feckers!
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And a Happy New Year to all.
Post by: Laverdaroo on January 01, 2022, 07:34:21 PM
Upon chewing the fat with a fellow frozen daft biker in the cheddar gorge this afternoon, talking about all things SOHC (he turned up on a mint 500). I was boring him to sleep regarding the carb issues I’ve had and breather fittings etc when he said he had a bunch of old bits n bobs back home and sure he could cannibalise something for me.
Sure enough, pulled from a stripped carb outside in a bucket of water…….one breather angle. And it fits a treat. Winning! Cheers for that Dave. Aren’t bikers bloody marvellous?
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I happened upon this one for a K3 I think, wondering if I could somehow nanny it to work but I don’t think it’ll be a goer now the two are next to each other.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220101/98a6b5bf9cf78617fde29303e099a11e.jpg)
I know these are unobtainable now so has anybody had any luck finding/making/modifying anything to suit without reinventing the wheel?
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I was wrong, memory is starting to fail ;D 10 psi for the forks and he says fit 3 washers (but doesn't say how thick they are) in the forks so they effectively preload the springs. So I'd say say 5-10mm of preload. My springs are mismatched in length, so what I'm thinking is to fit the springs etc, no preload at all, place a heavy weight on the top of the fork top, maybe my old vice, measure to see how far it compresses the fork and mark it. Do the other fork and then match the preload so they both compress the same distance. Not sure if that's the correct way but it makes some sort of sense.
Trim those screws into the inlet manifolds, measure the bores of them all and see if they match, if not make them match, smooth out any casting marks, rough spots etc. Should get another 5bhp doing that without affecting engine response.
If you want a little more power, get the cam lobes modified, no more lift, just more duration. So 5 degrees of overlap and 10 degrees of duration. Engine won't be cammy with such a mild mod. Think I have a spare cam so may just try that one.
Id like more of a chat about the cam scenario as that sounds like an easy win for little faff but not opened her up yet, for all i know the lobeson mine will be past repair or similar. Nice one on the sfork DIMS Ken, thats brilliant.
Post by: Oddjob on January 01, 2022, 09:26:18 PM
As for the spring, get the part you need glowing red, bend it into the new shape and let cool, you should be able to adapt the K3 spring to match the F2 one I reckon with a little work, replate afterwards.
Post by: Laverdaroo on January 01, 2022, 09:35:47 PM
I had thought about it. I also emailed a company about making some and see wht they say. If anything because of their name. I kid you not... FLEXOSPRINGS, Bristol.....Brilliant, does exactly what it says on the tin ;D ;D
I know they get reground but as I mentioned, It'll just be my luck that they'll be shagged out in a place thats unrepairable! ;D I'd like to have that chat though at some point. I've had nothing to do with modifying engine internals but only from never having to before. Fully converse with the whys and the benefits etc but not had much to do with it. It's always been two stroke tuning and 4 stroke resto so never approached the tune side from differing internals.
I'm off to get the frame from wakefield in the morning but when I get home I'll maybe have a go at that spring with the gas bottle and torch. Thanks mate.
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Anyway WHOOP WHOOP! Next stop, the blasters.
Cheers Phil by tjecc be way, it’s a little cracker and no tin worm anywhere, thanks heaps for supplying such a good starting point mate, you’re a ledge
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Got a box of polishing ingredients in today from Scotland as per Oddjob’s recommended recipe on ‘the preferred polishing method’ so I’m going to have another go at the caps and bowls but really want to see if I can get the balance bar a bit better.
The frame landed finally and already been sent to Yeovil to be blasted and etch primed.
Over the break I also fired the new Steel Dragon air box to Chewy which looks great and started buttoning up the cable routing and holding blocks for all the carb over flows and breathers etc. I’ve settled on a small block of black nylon which I bought from an engineers in town for 3 quid or something like that. I’m going to make a 15mm x 20mm x 100mm block up and drill it to take all the pipe work. This will then be fixed to the lower crossmember of the frame below the swinger, all tidy and out of the way and not a cable tie in sight……..brilliant.
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Hows you and your beloved, feeling better after the dreaded lurg last week? You back on form? And how are the pups, all good?
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/193328973293?hash=item2d034e05ed%3Ag%3A1z8AAOSw0vdeKH-c&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&campid=5335821165&customid=tksparts%2BHonda%2BCb550&toolid=10049
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Awful lot of money! :o
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and he bobbed me a coat of acid etch on it straight after blasting after a hoover off. What a star! It’s come back looking great apart from the following four or five piccies.
(Now, being technically challenged as I am, as my crap typing and general laptop management shows, I can only put one photo up at a time from my phone via the Tapatalk thingy and on my laptop I just get file too big to send. Even if it’s just text so given up posting replies on that now!.
Anyway, have to put them up one at a time even on small, so bear with and just chuckle quietly to yourself and don’t let on please
)So, bit of old gravel rash on the n/s rail underneath, but if a ‘ding’ on the n/s rail also, so I reckon it’s been poked by something by mistake in the garage and or either been on concrete blocks and/or been dropped off it’s side stand into a kerb or similar at some point in it’s history? No biggie and no real damage I think so quite chuffed, especially when you consider it’s in excess of 40 odd years old. It’s in better nick at 44 than I was
I reckon the ding will fill with weld once drilled and then flatted off and the bottom will sand out fine before painting.
It’s a bit ‘rippley’ on the top spine though, is that a manufacturing process thing?
What do you lot reckon or has Phil sold me a ‘cut n suit spesh’ before giggling manically and running off into the sunset via the Timmy Taylors brewery? (Kidding Phil)
Forgive the rather used appearance of the workshop, it only looks ‘decidedly used’ because it is
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You dont get the blanking plug in front of sprocket or seal for clutch arm in that kit, all the majour stuff is same
Is that blanking plug on the ficheBryan, I'm struggling to locate it on cmsnl?
Post by: Laverdaroo on January 15, 2022, 06:21:00 PM
Jesus, Roo. Frame came fro DK and reminded on the crate until picked up by you nephew. I certainly don’t recall the ding in down loop,or,whatever you call it and the welding on the rear loop is a surprise too.
Its 40 odd years old Phil, its no biggie and to be fair it ws a bit gooey in those areas anyway. I'll get it sorted. I wasnt aware of the ding either but these things happen.I'll be right, I'm sure. Like I say,i was plesantly surprised if I'm honest. ;D
Post by: Sesman on January 15, 2022, 06:38:57 PM
Incidentally I’ve found a seat lock loop/holder that will fit that frame you can have. PM me and I’ll post it.
It would seem that good frames are becoming very rare now. The recent surge in USA import activity will eventually exhaust stocks and price rises will be inevitable, if demand remains of course.
Glad you are progressing.
Post by: Laverdaroo on January 15, 2022, 06:56:12 PM
Depends how badly you want it I suppose.
I'm just treading water at the min doing bits and bobs as I was waiting on some bitsf or the 400 but theyr'e sorted now so it's three spot welds to do and she's done but I'm waiting before the big reveal/grimace until I can say its actually done, done :D
Soon as the bench is free the 550's going on to be done but now that there's a possibility of a fishery coming up fpr sale thet we're interested in, we've just put the house up for sale this week so its decorating tastic here at the min :-[
I will get some more done though before the weekendis through, Im itching to get out there and do a bit ;D
So does 'The Long Haired General' after the moaning about the painting by me (cunningly trying to get her to send me outside ;D ;)
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Post by: Laverdaroo on January 15, 2022, 11:18:49 PM
Its on the transmission page, should be 91207374000 but check
Thanks mate. couldnt find it.
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Post by: Sesman on January 16, 2022, 08:42:26 AM
I’m sure they are as a result of the manufacturing process, but i can’t explain how or why.
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On bearings, rubber and plastic. Are you aware that the gasket sets don’t include the rubber ‘pontefract cakes’ in the cam/head?
Just checking as it was extremely frustrating when I got to the final assembly stage and found they’re not supplied. NJ stocks them. If your not familiar with the camshaft set up there is bit of a trick to getting the cam chain on the sprocket. It involves ensuring you have the chain resting on the cam on the correct side of the cam wheel/shaft. The manual photos give you a good clue.
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House done,,,,,,,tick
Been fishing,,,,,,,,tick
Blanked like a dog,,,,,,,,,,tick! ;D
Shed o'clock! 8)
Still waiting on a bit of room but got the all clear on the frame, it's a gnats biased to the right by .5mm and I reckon I can live with that. Happy days :)
Amazing that nobody has really noticed these ripples until 'numb nuts' here chucks a bit of grey acid etch at the frame. I think you're right Ken Cool its a standard thing, I had an idea it was a manufacture process thing from the stamping but glad it's all cool and straight. Cost me 4 bottles 'of Dog' for the check......winning! ;D
Thanks for all the advice on the hidden bits and bobs. I've got the Pucks Phil but didnt know about the other points about hidden bolts etc. Ive not done one of these before so looking forward to the pondering sessions if I'm honest......That is when I get my shed back and can get at stuff! I'm no where near re-assembly, that would involve dissasembly and currently all the crap from the house that, apparently doesn't look good to perspective buyers has to go in the shed.
I mean, what's wrong with a lifesize Valentino Rossi standing next to an M1 R1?? I ask yer, some folk! It looked ace under the stairs and now its on my bench in the sodding shed!
Onwards ;D
Post by: Laverdaroo on February 05, 2022, 03:59:45 PM
Whilst fiddling my thoughts wandered to brakes and teh twin disc set up I want to do on the front. Ive managed to get a complete set up of twin discs, calipers, new stainless pistons and honda seals so I have all I need for the bottom until I start on the hub modifications (as read on here by Bryan and the rest of the super knowledgable) in the various chats and posts. That being said, I think I might be asking a few questions come the time. However, I havent really thought of what master cylinder I'm going to run on the renthal bars i have for the final build. Theyre 7/8" medium rise street bars in a matt black cerecote finish and look superb. I'd like a reasonably priced master to go with t but getting a little confused on the ratio's required for the build up. Ive read 17mm cylinders and plungers, 19mm and I think 16 too. I realise the extra force required for teh extra caliper but get a little 'hooped' when it comes to the ratios; smaller bore more pressure meaning smaller plunger or larger piston to fill the larger sytem at the same pressure.
Can anyone help out on this?
Phil, (SESMAN) di you o a twin set up, up front? What di you come to as a good solution?
Anyway back into it, just thought I'd type ths now before I climb back into my hollow to continue in the shed.
Answers on a post card please....
Post by: Oddjob on February 05, 2022, 04:06:44 PM
I'm lucky as I own a CB1300 and just replaced the clutch and brake master cylinders for radial ones so the old ones were spare. The clutch MC will also be used if I can finish the hydraulic clutch conversion I'm planning.
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I have a spare original cap for the reservoir and a spare lever if your getting that.
Post by: Sesman on February 05, 2022, 05:10:43 PM
I went with the early GL1000 master as it looks period.
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Post by: Sesman on February 06, 2022, 08:36:58 AM
I do know a later 80s wing m/c with 15mm is popular, but I can’t vouch for it.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 06, 2022, 11:53:35 AM
I have no idea how they make a bike frame but I suspect it could be from when the frame was made.
Post by: Laverdaroo on February 06, 2022, 11:58:50 AM
Looking at whats out there and not wanting to spend teh earth on levers master cylinders and the like and the fact I'm going to nee a pair of matching levers and poerches Im looking all ove the net. The chinese do an awful lot but at £30 for a pair I'll skip that I think.
Its probably going to be Rizoma or Brembo but still looking...............
Post by: Laverdaroo on February 06, 2022, 12:46:01 PM
Went to fit the Steel Dragon air boxes to the fresh built carbs just to have a look……as you do, and it appears they don’t fit! Eeek!
Looking insite there’s a lip that’s 1mm higher than the opening meaning the carbs only go on 5mm rendering the grub screw holes useless and with no seal.
Bit of a sod as I’ll have to get em apart and have them machines somewhere, ( my local guy is all Covid’d up to the max). Bit of pain as I presumed they’d be a bolt on win, sadly not!
I’ve dropped them a mail but I’m not kicking and screaming, these things usually happen to me so it’s par for the course. They’re in the states and the economies of scale don’t compute so I’ll sort it but ‘bloody ‘el
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Post by: Oddjob on February 06, 2022, 03:00:06 PM
It also looks like the funnels clamp onto the tube causing the problem, maybe try releasing those little grub screws and moving the funnels forward and then clamping them back up, try that and see if it solves the problem.
I'm not keen on those boxes BTW, the idea is that the funnel gives an airtight seal OR the carbs will pull air from anywhere, if that means it pulls air from any gaps between the funnels and the carbs it will mean unfiltered air is getting into the engine and that causes wear your not going to like. How tight are they onto the carbs? maybe try a small piece of rubber around the carbs if there's a gap.
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but the grub screws are crap.I’ve taken half a mil off the inside to get em to go on with some Abram et cloth hot glued to a soft buffing wheel I’ve got for the drill. Worked a treat. I’ll put the miss fit down to yer man over the pond, knocking his dial on the lathe. Easy done but what a ball ache!
Bigger o rings installed to reduce air leaks if any are tempted but I might get em tigged together to be sure at some point, dunno.
Anyway, they’re in snd they fit.
Best job, callipers to clean and get sorted….
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Miss my bench lathe though, all this faffing about is knackering my fingernails yer know :o 8) ;D
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Just not the polishing! :(
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All were ok but very much ‘in there’ and I got through a gas bottle in the plumbers torch and several ‘tapping sticks’ were employed in the removal of the swines!
Even with my heaviest ‘tapper’ the swing arm pivot bolt is very firmly and quite adamantly, ‘staying put’ which is a little tiresome.
I’m going to pop the lump out tonight to allow better access to the bleed nipple and try to get it out so I can fire some penatrant down its neck straight onto the inner tube and see if that frees it with some more heat and ignorance………..keep yer posted!
What a manky, greasy, uncared for motor
, nothing has yielded without a fight and that’s with absolutely drenching it in plus gas for a month, every day.The comparison of before’s and after’s are going to promote a smug grin come the time.I reckon, really looking forward to getting on now. Bar a couple of bits I’ve all I need for the rebuild so it’s strip, blast, paint and build
So far, out of everything that’s been attempted, no bolts ‘necked’ off as yet with just the swinger to get out and the top n bottom yolks to whip off. (Not ‘triple trees’! Wtf?
The swinger bolt has about 90 degrees of travel currently after being persuaded with a large lump of timber but the bolt moves with the arm so I guess the tube inside is solid to it as there is no lateral movement at all.
As a worst case scenario if replacing the swing arm bushes and caps, which I am, is it possible to run a metal blade in between the frame and face edge of the bearing cap that sits in between the arm and the frame? The frames junk so not precious about saving it. I figured if not I’ll just cut it off and see if I can get it pressed out………..it’s proper in there. If it’s anything like the front lower mounts as shown, I wonder if they’ll shift at all. This one over an hour to get out!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220307/3123497696cc2bdf1a38f1df74d69a8d.jpg)
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Post by: K2-K6 on March 07, 2022, 07:58:05 PM
Now use a chain round the bike frame and the trolley jack frame (underneath where the front wheels are) and secure that (an old drive chain could be used) now when you jack it the frame is captive but the bolt is pushed through like it's in a hydraulic press.
This may get it moving as you can apply quite a tonnage to it.
Post by: Oddjob on March 07, 2022, 08:40:14 PM
Don't forget to remove the tacho drive from the cam cover before removing the engine, they snap off very easily. Remove as much as possible, eg clutch, genny, everything that bolts on including head and barrels unless of course your leaving it in one lump, which I doubt.
If all else fails with the swinging arm you can cut the frame out around the pivot pin so at least it's away from the frame.
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 07, 2022, 09:37:46 PM
Lump out, forks and head set out, no bolts reusable
who’d have thunk?Even the fork tops have witness marks from a pair of grips or moley’s
………I hate folk with a tool belt!
I finally got everything moving but needless to say, the centre stand has been cut out and after several more pages of the “My Ladybird Book of Anglo Saxon Phrases & Greetings”, I’ve come in for a brew and a warm!
I got the nipple off the swinger and it’s in fantastic condition and doesn’t appear to have ever been used………..Ever!
I’ve had the frame glowing red and you can see the tube inside turn with the bolt through the grease nipple hole. (Nipple
) so it’s gonna have to be pressed out, it’s not worth the time I think.Anyway, I think the grinders coming out after me brew and I’ll cut the sod off the frame.
Talking of which, which parts of the frame are known for rotting out or whatever, like the stand plate’, lower tubes, mounting points etc?
The frames in really good nick because it’s had a complete covering of an eighth of an inch of greasy shite all over it for it’s entire life which has saved the frame and swinger beautifully. The only part that’s goosed is around the swing arm pivot point where the
has gone to town fitting that crap on it.I’m happy to cut all the useful bits off and stash em if anybody might want them for a build to replace bits n bobs. Otherwise sadly it’s off in the scrap bin at work. Kills me but I can’t stash it and unless you’ve all the gubbins for putting it right in terms of tools……….. it’s scrap
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 10, 2022, 12:36:49 AM
Put up until now
Managed to get the spindle out of the centre stand and save it to be tidied up and reused. The bolt finally came out of the swing arm pivot via the gas bottles and the press at the garage in the next village. Big up Ubley Service Station
Things appear to be going well but expecting a catastraf*ck fairly shortly and of course, I’ll keep you posted
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Post by: Oddjob on March 10, 2022, 01:40:14 AM
As for primary shaft, use the bottom engine hanger bolt with a footrest still on it, thread in and use the footrest like a slide hammer.
What's all the dust like substance?
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 10, 2022, 07:08:28 PM
Yes a three leg job like the two I already have but cant find as they're filed away somewhere!
A common problem in my shed, it always is when youre stuck for room, everything gets filed away in boxes! >:( :( :(
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 10, 2022, 07:23:40 PM
Post by: Oddjob on March 10, 2022, 10:35:33 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293326225468?hash=item444b9b003c:g:sVMAAOxyJs5RZT7f Same part £58.50 at DS. Just shows you how some people rip others off.
You could have borrowed it if you were closer.
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 10, 2022, 10:58:31 PM
Post by: Sesman on March 11, 2022, 06:57:15 AM
The primary drive can be removed using the 16mm long engine mounting bolt, using it as an improvised slide hammer.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 13, 2022, 07:32:26 PM
Still waiting for the puller so carried on after you all saying that it’s easy removable whilst off so carried on as I had a free afternoon.
Well that was a bugger!
Everything that could get stuck, was and everything that was stuck was encased in thick shite, tar, and black goo. Presumably from the weeping motor, left for years.??
The whole lots apart and I now have the hideous job of degreasing the lot prior to getting it off to get vapour blasted in Yeovil.
There was some interesting goo in the pan, the consistency of extra thick peanut butter, a bugger to shift but it’s coming out with a great deal of hot water and elbow.
The motor is blathered and once split……there was a whiff of sealant between the cases and only in certain places. Where there wasn’t any the motor has pissed oil out and presumably moisture also, the oil thst came out was definitely on the browner side of awful!.
The primary chain is proper goosed, as is the cam chain, but strangely I forgot to have a look to see the extent of the chaffing of the cases to see how destructive it’s been whilst I was out in the shed.
It’s been standing for years as half of some of the internals have a mist of rust on where some bits have been out of the oil whilst laid up, like the selector drum
All should nanny up but I’ve not been here with one of these motors before to this level so brace yerselves(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220313/d8efda55c005d9ab52cebf0ab13678d2.jpg)
for all the daft questions as they’re coming, just don’t know when yet
Just from observations whilst stripping it I’ve a few questions but I’ll make a list and bob em on here nearer the time of need. For now it’s degrease tastic for the foreseeable
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How’s the rest looking Roo?
To be honest, better than expected. I didnt neck any bolts off so thats good!
Like I said a few bits witha bit of rust on but nothing that a good nanny wont sort out. I havent had alook at the bearings at all yet, nor the shells etc. I was just on for a strip down, bag up an tidy up.
Ill order some more bags later and then as I take something out of a bag to work on it gets put away fettled in a clean bag ready to re fit. Thats the plan any way but for now i need to get the cases gone as they take up a lot of bench space .
I have a few questions but until its in my hands its only half a question so I'll wait but for now the bikes stripped and bagged the barrels are off for a rebore and only show minimal marks from standing but Itll be done as a matter of course.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 13, 2022, 08:24:57 PM
I'VE not necked any ;) 8)
Stop being picky ;D ;D Historic damage is a given, creating new damage through thuggery isnt! ;D
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LMAO, we only have your word for that and Bryan told me what an unsavoury character you were.He’s absolutely right!
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If so I'll forgive him then
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 14, 2022, 06:47:09 PM
head to the Yorkshire Show Ground and I lived and grew up on the first council estate you came to on the right.............Just up from the tip on the right hand side on the Wetherby Road.
Dead posh, we had our own mud to play with and everything, it was ace! ;) ;D ;D
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And so on ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Laverdaroo on April 19, 2022, 11:26:56 AM
after a brief diversion to get some fishing done and a bit of a shed tidy, were back on it. Things have fallen a bit behind but I've been busy-ish doing bits and pieces whilst bits have been sent out to be worked on by various folk up and down the Mendips and Lincolnshire ( ;)) so parts are coming in to enable the build. I had a week off to research and order up everything OI need to replace and refresh the back end of the VFR with a new swing arm, bearings, seals, rebuilt shock from the states, new EBC front discs, all new EBC braided lines (all 13 0f them for the brakes) and clutch. New KTech fork internals, seals and fixings. Ill get to that before the MOT in May............................I hope!!" :o
I'm a bit stuck as the blaster I use has had covid TWICE in a month bless him. The pennance for having young kids at school I guess but thats been a bit of faff as I cant get any cases back until next week when he's had his isolation period ::) meanng the rebuikd is having to wait so the shed is a sea of plastic bags with parts in at the min. That and Ive Bristol Badgers motor being worked on in there too, so its a little busy in there. ;D ;D ;D
I've everything for the engine now bar a qasket kit, could anyone advise me on the most accurate for the job as there are heaps out there and I dont want to get stuffed by ill fitting items,I might have asked before but cant remember tbh. Anyone save me looking back?
I've the pontefract cakes already but whats teh best for the job peeps, you lot know more than I on tjis one.
Huge thanks go to Oddjob for the constant advice and chat and the bits n bobs that have been sent over and to Julie and Trigg for the rebore and new pots.......ace!
I still cant get a picture up on here without resorting to rhe phone as the PC says file to big even though I compress it to death so they'll have tp be separates so bear with but I'll get a few up of the mayhem so far :D.
I madr some templates up and started drilling the discs for the front but waiting for some more drill bits as the RHS disc is made of indestructium and simply wont drill so I've got some Kriptonite bits coming today. I only have 9 holes to do but so far they've eaten 8 drill bits and the discis hardly marked........they were brand new too! Its interesting that one drill bit did nearly two discs and this particular section has eaten all these, I'll sort it.
I sent the frame to a pal of mine to have all the factory welds redone and tidied up as some of them are absolutely shocking. There was even bits of wire hanging off it from back when it was made.
Anyway, that's being soreted so in the mean time I'm on with the froint end and working on the forks and front wheel etc.
Got a sea of stripped and worked on parts but I'm kind of on schedule, just funds playing a factor now as I lost my current contract last week so back on the job market which sucks a fat one but not fretting yet!
He ::) ;D ;)says
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If you can afford it and can find them buy genuine Honda gasket sets for top and bottom. Can't go wrong, they fit perfectly everytime and you get almost everything you need except the pontefract cakes.
And failing that? Vesrah? Ive used a few of them before on two stroke gubbins and seem to be reasonable. Would such a thing be a suitable alternative?
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I can waddle off and have a read up now I know what the score is. You hear some horror stories and I cant be arsed faffing about with shite gaskets so skip the hassle and ask on here, at least I know the advice will be right and I wont waste my dosh.
Thanks chaps :)
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Sesman mentioned it on here a while ago and made a mental note to use where applicable. It tickled me at the time ;D its' so apt. You're such a hip, 'trend setter' ken ;) ;D
When Ken visited me in-between lockdowns he didn't look much like this ;D ;D
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Post by: Oddjob on April 20, 2022, 03:16:24 PM
No tattoos.
No beard
No hair
No glasses
I had socks on.
I do have a dog but it's a pedigree.
I also have a collection of vinyl records but they are in a box in the loft.
Other than that, yep you got me spot on.
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on April 20, 2022, 03:19:15 PM
We should have a dog thread (?)
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Post by: Laverdaroo on April 20, 2022, 03:20:36 PM
Not even close.Thought so
No tattoos.
No beard
No hair
No glasses
I had socks on.
I do have a dog but it's a pedigree.
I also have a collection of vinyl records but they are in a box in the loft.
Other than that, yep you got me spot on.
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Photo of the dog please.We should have a dog thread, top idea
We should have a dog thread (?)
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She's on the left along with Ruby on the right. 4 years apart and came from different breeders from different parts of the country. They look like Mother and Daughter.
Sadly Ruby passed away last year, leaving Tilly completely heart broken, still hasn't got over it, just mopes about the house now looking lost.
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Post by: Seabeowner on April 20, 2022, 07:36:07 PM
Only difference 500 to 550 is the clutch cover gasket and that can be got seperateEvery 500 gasket set I've bought included the pontefract cakes/pucks, every 550 didn't.
Post by: Johnny4428 on April 20, 2022, 08:30:34 PM
What on earth? Is that from same manufacturers? For instance would a Vesrah gasket set for the 500 have them.Only difference 500 to 550 is the clutch cover gasket and that can be got seperateEvery 500 gasket set I've bought included the pontefract cakes/pucks, every 550 didn't.
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Post by: Seabeowner on April 21, 2022, 07:10:00 PM
Only have a 500 and 550 NE brand at present. But have had other brands years ago, but not sure on Vesrah.What on earth? Is that from same manufacturers? For instance would a Vesrah gasket set for the 500 have them.Only difference 500 to 550 is the clutch cover gasket and that can be got seperateEvery 500 gasket set I've bought included the pontefract cakes/pucks, every 550 didn't.
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Honda top set starts 06110, bottom set 06111. 500 is then 323 550 is 374 last 3 numbers more or less dont matter
so 550 top set would be 06110374S01
bottom set would be 06111374T00 jst had a quick look up at DSS
thanks Bryan, youre a ledge mate. I havent forgotten about your parts book its permanently on the kitchen table being studied on a daily basis. Am I ok to hang onto it a bit longer ......soz to be cheeky! :)
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Post by: Laverdaroo on April 23, 2022, 11:16:06 AM
On a different matter........... I posted up in the desperately seeking page but I'll bob a copy up on here too, more exposure etc ;)
Hi all,
******Has anybody got one of these lurking anywhere that they want rid of? My tank didnt come with one on so hard to lift once the catch it disengaged. I've a new lock for it fitted but just need the spring...............Anybody?
Part number 177353-90000 fuel filler spring (CB550, 750 et al)
Post by: Laverdaroo on April 27, 2022, 01:27:44 AM
But when trying to part number up the Cush drive I hit a snag. My rear hub, as shown, has 4 Cush inserts that the wheel studs push into, just like the 400. When I look in the parts book all I can find are the part numbers snd diagrams for the hub with the removable Cush blocks, like what you get on more modern bikes still.
Did the 550 have this hub arrangement or not snd if not what the bloody hell have I ended up with? The rims are Akront ally ones and are in fair nick but this hub has me a bit stumped. Any ideas for Cush drive part numbers anyone?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220427/7882481f659be4c83fa5ffbab47479cf.jpg)
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I'll measure it this arvo when I get home and into the burrow.
Bit odd s its been laced to the 550 rim. Soes anybody have one of teh cush inserts that they can measure for me? When I took them out they were flush with the top of the rim as they shpould be but had a 7mm gap underneath and didnt go all the way down to the bottom of the recess like tehy do on the 400. Also when you turn the hub over there are holes in the back so you can tap out the bushes, (not that I didnt have to muler them into submission and drill them out).
So some similarities to the 400 but not quite and still need to get these cush's sorted! The spokes are passable so I'll probably reuse them which is a bit easier as at least somebody else has had the faff of sizing them but As mentioned, a bit stumped tbh!
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Post by: Oddjob on April 27, 2022, 02:47:33 PM
Either way it's not the right one.
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I've taken the bearings out of my 'mystery hub' and see that the two sizes are 6305LU and 6304LU (single rubber shield) As it seems that the majority of manufacturers /suppliers only carry the 2RS (twin rubber shield) variants and it' order only for the LU, would it be detrimental to fit a 2RS item?
I appreciate that the spindle is lubricated but does part of that lubrication spread to the back of the bearing when in use hence the open rear side of the bearing? Kind of answering my own question but thought to ask before purchasing through a bearing supplier rather than DSS?
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Secondly, need some measurements. Overall length, top edge down to the bottom where the studs fit. Also distance between top edge and upper bolt hole for mudguard.
Thirdly, I can see some sort of marking near the anchor point but the pics won't enlarge so I can't make them out. Can you read them?
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Expensive build isn’t the phrase for it Ken
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Post by: Oddjob on May 05, 2022, 06:11:49 PM
Just checked my sliders, all 3 sets and they all measure 3550mm top to bottom and 1150 from top to the top of the thread hole, so looks like they are correct. Some good news at least.
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 05, 2022, 11:58:14 PM
Thanks for having a look for me though, good man yer.
I rechecked all the threads and they're all a go, just a sod about that lower as I'm not sure if it can be repaired. Under closer inspection, its been like that for a lot of years and the corrosion is right into the metal so I'm wondering if it'll just pop and fart if they try to tig some material to it to try an reshape. I'll have to see what I can find out but a bit disheartened this evening. Especially after gettimg a close look at the fork bottoms :-\ Serves me right forbuying a shitter ;D ;D
I went for a restorative mooch about on the VFR today and to stretch me legs and thought, " I wonder when the MOT is due, I'll have a look when I get home ". 18th of May...........eek! :o :o :o :o :o
I've got his lot to sort out before then so all next week I'll be head down sorting her every night! I've been hoarding it all for ages so it's time to get it on as the rear brake has gone really spongy after several fettles and Im pretty sure I have a leak somewhere although theres no loss of fluid. The lines are 20 years old and I suspect the age might have caused a small crack somewhere.
They're notoriously a bugger to bleed and fit but I'm not to phased, its just a process and I've done it a few times now to have the job sorted but reading up, I realise the changing of the lines is a right bugger, 8 hours in the manual...gulp!
Ive a set of stailess goodridge going on to start and a different swing arm that has a slightly better set up than my 2002 unit. Just means maintenance is easier as they have a habit of siezing up and are a pig to shift so Ill bob that on with a freshly rebuilt shock from the states.
Nobody would rebuild them over here and say it cant be done. This chap rebuilds, recharge, sorts all the remote out and rebuilds it and then fitts a spring to suit your weight......spot on. I just bought a shock of a wreck over there, shipped to him from a breakers for free, he fettled it and sent it to me...........Superb result.
Bit to be doing mind ;D ;D ;D!
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Post by: Oddjob on May 06, 2022, 04:34:27 AM
If you look on page 4 of my project thread you can see the right hand one, the left hand didn't turn out as good, almost but there were some small marks that refused to come out and I ended up with a dip in the alloy trying to get it out. Decided in the end to just replace them. Hope you like polished as they are kinda bright, the left hand one wants finishing off which I didn't do as I lost interest in it.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on May 06, 2022, 03:11:30 PM
Check the fork stanchion thread Roo, some for sale on there.Will do bud, cheers
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Post by: Laverdaroo on May 08, 2022, 02:22:19 PM
I'll wait to see what theyre going to do, my Posty is ace so Im sure it'll get herer. Exciting.........books! Love a book!!! :)
Ken, yup I'll have tghe bottoms but Impaying you for them! Pop em on the pile mate ;) There's an MASSIVE favour coming your way bud, cant thank you enough mate. Thats a huge cock up sorted with those forks from Si (3scs).
That starter cover came saturday, well chuffed for a fiver form a breakers. Thats two breaks in a row with your forks mate!
Bloody hell 8) ;D
As ever, youre a start ken, cheers
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What colour plastigauge do I need to buy to check these shells, never used it before as I’m a crank shell measuring virgin
?Mum will be chuffed after all these years
Never had to do it before, green or red?
Don’t laugh!
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Post by: Laverdaroo on May 09, 2022, 11:33:06 AM
Cheers Bryan, I may need a bit of question answering on this but I'll get all the bits I need and clear a space, have a thunk n a swear and probably be back on here. I get my cases back in a week or so and just prepping as yer do.
What has anybody else used, just the red (thinnest ones)?
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on May 09, 2022, 12:10:25 PM
Quick one cos I just don’t know snd struggling with reading 50,000 threads on the subject.
What colour plastigauge do I need to buy to check these shells, never used it before as I’m a crank shell measuring virgin
Mum will be chuffed after all these years
Never had to do it before, green or red?
Don’t laugh!
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Beware of cheap Green as it might be the wrong size range.
Hope it helps but this is a reprint from Ash when I was doing my crank on the 400.
.Hi Ted ... yes the GREEN is still red but for small clearsnce bearings (typically 1 to 2 thou")
You put crankshaft in upside down top half ... place strip across journal (see below about using oil ..I use smear of silicone grease) then carefully place crankcase lower on top case and clamp with main bolts to correct torque... hope this helps ... Best wishes Ash.
28 | © MAHLE 2018
Bolt Boots, Bearing Guard and
Plastigage
Clevite® Plastigage
Plastigage was designed as a final check of
total vertical oil clearance during reassembly. It
was not meant as a replacement for properly
measuring crankshaft journals, housing
bores or bearing dimensions before engine
reassembly with accurate mics and gauges.
To properly use Plastigage during reassembly,
readings should be taken on the bearing cap
half shell while the weight of the crankshaft or
piston and rod assembly is supported by the
other half shell.
Place a small amount of oil on the crankshaft
journal only where the Plastigage will be placed
and wipe any excess oil off with a clean rag.
This will result in a more accurate reading by
preventing the PLASTIGAGE from sticking to
the journal.
Place a strand of Plastigage across the length
of the journal parallel to the crankshaft.
Set the cap in place and tighten bolts to the
proper OEM torque specification. NOTE: if the
crankshaft is moved at this point it will smear
the Plastigage, resulting in inaccurate readings.
Carefully remove the cap and measure the
crushed Plastigage using the graduations
printed on the package. Measure the crush
along the entire length of the Plastigage, noting
the highs and lows for proper clearance.
After you have made your measurements,
carefully remove the crushed Plastigage from
the components without scratching the bearing
or the journal.
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connecting rod and main bearings. Each
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for easy size identification and are soluble in oil.
MPG1 .001”—.003” (.025 —.075mm) Green*
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Post by: Bryanj on May 09, 2022, 02:12:35 PM
Post by: Oddjob on May 09, 2022, 04:14:55 PM
If I go down the the hard chromers I'll take those fork tubes with me and see what they think, it's possible they could weld the cut shut, grind it down, hard chrome it and it would be good to use. I'd say the cuts are around 1-2mm deep is all.
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 09, 2022, 05:21:01 PM
The forks from Simon that you put in contact with me sound pretty good and have just been fettled by Philpots so I think it might be good to get those and your super bling sliders if they're really upfor grabs?
Post by: Oddjob on May 09, 2022, 09:03:48 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 10, 2022, 12:15:08 AM
It's in South Carolina...... ......USA!!!!:o
Think I might just have lost the plot!
Post by: Bryanj on May 10, 2022, 12:27:45 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 10, 2022, 12:54:58 AM
Post by: Sesman on May 10, 2022, 07:55:11 AM
Best of luck with that job, another great adventure. I once visited a ‘sports shop’ in South Carolina; It sold both fishing and hunting gear; the shop was as big as Morrisons. There were a few persons looking at rods and lures, but they were 20 wide and 5 deep at the gun counter…keep your head down.
Post by: Johnny4428 on May 10, 2022, 08:14:28 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 10, 2022, 10:58:06 AM
If anybody says 'Squeal like a pig' or 'Sure gotta puurty mouth', I'm out of there!
Saying that Ive aready looked and theres a massive bike breakers 40 miles from the farm so I dont think I'll be that bored!
How many T140's and Tridents do you think I can I get in my hand luggage?? ;D
Post by: Johnny4428 on May 10, 2022, 12:26:37 PM
It is but I've the 'General to consider and all thats going on here at the moment,l eaving her to sort the hpuse sale out and the new lease oon a lake we're trying to finalise but I think I'll probably do it. It wont be a 'fest' of any measure as the site is in the middle of 'Hicksville' and I think the town population is eoughly around 2000 people so there's probably Duelling Banjo's as the localdialing tone on the telephone or similar!! :oSuitcase outbound? Container inbound? Sounds just right!
😂😂😂🐖🐖🐖
If anybody says 'Squeal like a pig' or 'Sure gotta puurty mouth', I'm out of there!
Saying that Ive aready looked and theres a massive bike breakers 40 miles from the farm so I dont think I'll be that bored!
How many T140's and Tridents do you think I can I get in my hand luggage?? ;D
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 10, 2022, 12:42:23 PM
Post by: Oddjob on May 10, 2022, 12:51:11 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 10, 2022, 01:32:09 PM
Im looking to develop this site into a small 4acres carp fishery that you can rent for a day or week and have the whole site to yourself or for a maximum of 5 anglers. There is a massive hole in the available fishing sites down here in the south west so if I can get a couple of these under my belt this year and a few next year, I might have theopportunity to get meself sorted before I shuffle off this mortal coil ;D
A particular site down here has a 5 are site and through day tickets and pellet sales he turned over £127k last year....Im having some of that!
Big carp are what I grow Ken, My best pal has a bait factory too so finally after hoarding and buying too much kit over the years, not only do I now have the tackle I actually want and need and but now, also cheap a bloody good, bait selection with which to use it.....perfect!
Soon as its up and at em, you have a gratis ticket of course mate, come for a jolly. ;)
I've floating long reach diggers to get in to tear it about and the site to develop but really looking forward to getting stuck in if my proposal is accepted by the landlord.
Exciting times but frustrating about leaving the shed......I think I'm already getting shed anxiety!..............Sad git ;D ;D
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Post by: Oddjob on May 10, 2022, 02:35:21 PM
One of my favourite spots to fish over the years has been Trawsfynydd, it's near Bala in North Wales. Does a day ticket and you can either fly fish the entire reservoir or coarse fish certain parts. I used to swing tip the coarse parts with red/white maggots and have had huge bags. Your allowed 6 trout on a day ticket, it's where the Welsh Trout championship is held or used to be, dunno now. Lots of rainbow and brown, biggest I caught was a 6lb rainbow, couldn't even get it under the grill it was so large. They bite so hard they pull the rod off the rest everytime, great days fishing but wear midge repellant.
If you've never tried it I'd recommend it, day ticket from Post Office in the small village. Was around £6 last time I went but that's many years ago now.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on May 10, 2022, 04:00:00 PM
Post by: Oddjob on May 11, 2022, 01:22:14 AM
I now have a CB650 primary chain tensioner and brand new primary chain tensioner bracket spare.
If your interested you could fit them into the engine whilst it's apart, the bracket is custom made and cost me £50 and the tensioner another £50. You could have them both for £1000 ;D ;D
Just kidding, £100 plus P&P which shouldn't be a lot as they aren't that heavy.
The tensioner is hard to find and the bracket needs a decent engineer to make, I got 2 made for £100 as he couldn't be bothered to make just one so I needed to sweeten the pot so to speak.
Should extend the life of the chain, make it quieter for longer and stop the crankcase damage that a worn primary chain causes. I'll be doing this mod in my engine.
I was going to bung them on Ebay with a new Primary chain, new dampers and the tensioner and bracket for £250 but yours if your interested.
Pics here.
http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,27555.msg263157.html#msg263157
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 11, 2022, 11:42:13 AM
Post by: Oddjob on May 11, 2022, 02:58:55 PM
You have a read on how it's done? within your skill set?
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 11, 2022, 03:08:06 PM
#Be glad when Ive done this.
Wheel bearings in, discs done, pads in so all thr fronts done, just the proportioning valve to do, ABS pump to hoo up and the rear linked gubbins.
What a pig!
What's worse is that the bench is currently covered in CB750 motor and bags of CB550 bits meaning yet again, I'm grovelling about on the bloody floor!
I think I'm going to need a new hip ;D
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 06, 2022, 05:15:55 PM
so after gathering the gubbins required for looking at getting the shells identified and replaced, I've hit my first hurdle which it appears, all seem to have when undertaking this job.
Basically, there are no markings on my crank except the ones shown in the frst web which read 74.4.22. There is nothing else on there at all even after washing with two separarte batches of petrol, (just in case Id used the premix can)!
In this instance how do you measure up or identify the correct shells to order?
I have identified the cases as having the marks BBBBB
The crank measures from Number 1 to 4 with the last bearing being numbered 5...
1= 33.01mm
2= 32.99mm
3= 33.00mm
4= 33.01mm
5= 33.02mm
I have a number 2 printed on all the rods but again, nothing else has survived the last 40 odd years of no maintenance and I'm struggling a bit.
The crank measurements are pretty consistant so looking at the chart would that mean that this is an all BROWN case?
I've got this right round my ears as I never measure anything this small, not that much call for micrometres in fishery management and not that familiar with the scales and the mental picture with which to work this outm its just not going in!
When ever I've used my lathe it's always been to the nearest mm not to be measuring thou's and these micro scales so I'm a bit lost tbh.
Any help gratefully received as this is very much wearing a bit thin now.
Post by: Oddjob on August 06, 2022, 05:21:39 PM
I'd just fit all browns, they are the slightly bigger shell and so long as you run it in correctly you'll be fine.
Same applies to the rods, only greens or browns for a No2 rod. Fit all browns again.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 06, 2022, 05:22:50 PM
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So.....................ANYONE GOT A FULL SET OR SPARE BROWN SHELLS UP FOR GRABS??
Looking in the book it appears I need 10 x #13316 323 000 and 8 x #13216 323 003
Would this be right the? Surely they could have made a far more complicated system than this and written things on the parts in more invisible ink? ;D ;D
Post by: Bryanj on August 06, 2022, 08:09:15 PM
You can always come and visit for me to measure if you want mate but give me a bit of warning so i can find and calibrate the mic
Post by: Oddjob on August 06, 2022, 09:02:09 PM
The ones you can fit all the same are black shells as they are the thickest shell so will wear to the right size so long as you run the engine in carefully.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 07, 2022, 01:03:10 AM
Just short of a fiver less than 300 quid for 18..........eek!
While I'm on, is it sensible to wire brush these and give em agood fettle with some sort of solvent to get this crap off them, they're looking pretty shoddy and I dont fancy putting em back in my nice clean, prepped cases looking like that? Themak is quite engrained so being the king of bling and all things shiney, what do you reckon?
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Post by: Laverdaroo on August 07, 2022, 12:56:49 PM
What do you reckon, a brass wire brush and a drop of unleaded or acetone or similar?
Is there anything I need to be careful of?
Bought the shells just now..........OUCH! :o
Post by: Oddjob on August 07, 2022, 02:03:30 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 07, 2022, 05:23:51 PM
Hot kettle, dog snoozing gently at the door in the sun, planet rock on and a strong cup of tea whilst fiddling about in the shed with bike bits..............utter bliss ;) :) 8)
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 09, 2022, 01:05:04 PM
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Post by: Oddjob on August 09, 2022, 01:15:35 PM
Not sure if I've said this Roo but those discs, when they come they must be fitted with the fronds facing the same direction as the Dremel rotates. Easy way to do this is to look at the disc, one side has a small indent/hole, face this indent to it faces the Dremel and they are the correct orientation. My BIL just bought some after watching me clean some of his pieces and he complained the fronds were hitting him in the face, he clearly didn't read the instructions on the Amazon page.
Not sure if you've got a Dremel Flexible shaft for your Dremel Roo but if not let me know and I may have a spare one lying around. I've returned 3 Dremels under warranty and they always send a brand new boxed kit in return so I had some spare shafts, just given my BIL one and my daughter has claimed one to but I may have another somewhere. The difference the shaft makes is amazing.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 09, 2022, 01:36:18 PM
A flexible end would be great, I have them for the various drills and for screwdrivers etc but not for the dremel. Mine's a bit shagged out and been usd to death but working fine still so Im not going to update it until this one dies. A flrxible end bit would be ace mate if you can spare it, youre a gent, cheers.
I figured those were original shells bud haven't seen any like that for ages, only ordered them yesterday, Charlotte is good in their office, she clocks order mistakes and lets you know when you've had that part already or if a kit you order has the extra part in it or whatever. Shes been brilliant at Silver's throughout the 400 build and now the 550. I know they're dear and that the postage is astronomical but, as 99% of Honda dealers are, they are good and dead swift, bless em.
Right, have to ask cos I see it often but have no idea, what does IIRC stand for................I AM Northen after all!! ;D
Post by: Trigger on August 09, 2022, 01:44:51 PM
Did come in pairs in boxes in the UK. Also came in singles. Here is one dated 1988
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Post by: Laverdaroo on August 09, 2022, 01:51:25 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 09, 2022, 02:04:06 PM
Did you get your crank measured up with a mic Roo ?
Did come in pairs in boxes in the UK. Also came in singles. Here is one dated 1988
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Yes I had it done at a machine shop down in Keynsham and went through it all woith him as he was cleaning the mating faces of some engine parts for me. We came to the conclusion that it would be brown shells and that was reinforced by Ken on here. Dave at the machine shop did al the sums as I cant seem to 'click' with all these micro measurements. With the brown shells in an dfitted I sjhould get a plastiguage clearance of a thou and a half which was reccomended in several articles and on the net for a good clearance. Hope we all had our eyes in or I might be selling some shells on Ebay!
Im planning to plastiguage the crank with the new shells in to check, thats the best way to go about it isnt it?
Post by: Oddjob on August 09, 2022, 02:34:29 PM
I suspect the box was imported Graham to cover a shortage of that colour shell over here. The main warehouse for Honda in Europe was in Holland, maybe that's why CMS are based there now.
I used to regularly browse the store room at Queenies and I never saw any shells in boxes, they were all in little bags with brown paper wrapped shells. Which funnily enough is what's in the box, 2 shells in bags. Makes me wonder why they did that, seems a waste of a box.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 09, 2022, 02:41:26 PM
Post by: Oddjob on August 09, 2022, 02:46:55 PM
Going to see if I can make 2 new worksurfaces later today. This is an original Black and Decker workmate from the late 70s, nearly 50 years old. It's been left outside in all weathers, had engines dumped on it loads of times, I've used it as a step ladder etc. There's very little of the original blue paint left on the metal now :D I was thinking of dismantling it totally and having it powder coated, shining up the alloy braces etc so it looks brand new again. There's a TV program in that I reckon :D :D
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 09, 2022, 02:50:27 PM
Apart from the wood, they never seem to die so the? Think yoiure a MASSIVE tart for thinking of powder coating it but if you do it I'll have to do mine and I cant afford it at the moment after buying those shells and it sounds a fab idea! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Oddjob on August 09, 2022, 05:53:28 PM
Halfway done and already made a few mistakes. Saw the back edge of the stationary board was level with the mounts, as my wood is slightly wider I just centralised the holes, bloody winding handles wouldn't turn then as they hit the wood. Remove all over again and having to redrill the holes is annoying.
Try getting the winding mechanism out, had to grind 2 of the washers off as the split pins in the handle wouldn't come out and when one did it still wouldn't come off the bar. Bloody nightmare this is turning out to be.
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on August 09, 2022, 05:56:46 PM
I have two.
One was my dads and one mine which he bought me in the late 70s.
I bought my son one when he bought his first house
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Post by: Oddjob on August 09, 2022, 11:29:56 PM
If you ever try this Steve, good luck getting the handles off the threaded bar. Nothing I did made any difference.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 10, 2022, 12:10:27 AM
Post by: Oddjob on August 15, 2022, 06:30:43 PM
Alloy frame braces are almost done, looking very nice as well. Got some new feet for it as well. Starting to feel like Triggers broom. Need some new rubber boots for the fold out legs next.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 16, 2022, 09:37:53 AM
Post by: Oddjob on August 16, 2022, 01:43:12 PM
New rubber feet ordered. Powder coater said it would be cheaper to buy a new one, I said, you can't buy a new one and if you can they ain't half as good as the old ones. Good for another 50 years i reckon, you might see me on Antiques Roadshow with it ;D ;D
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 16, 2022, 03:17:13 PM
Might be worth a fortune and be classed as wall art Ken;D ;D
Post by: Bryanj on August 16, 2022, 03:25:21 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 16, 2022, 06:17:37 PM
Is that inbetween lighting the gas lamps on the street Bryan? ;)
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Post by: Laverdaroo on August 16, 2022, 11:57:22 PM
Forgot to take photos on dissasembly! Could any of you lovely chaps and chappesses'ss's tell me the assembly order of the enclosed please? Thought I had it but cant get it right and get the bugger to turn once the screws are in the body. Any help greatfully absorbed.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 16, 2022, 11:57:33 PM
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Post by: Oddjob on August 17, 2022, 01:23:48 PM
Did you remove the screw and take out all the insides as well?
Looks to me as 2 smaller washers on the brushes end and the 2 larger on the splined end.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 17, 2022, 04:45:47 PM
From what I think , its small washer, castle-ated washer (one with legs on) on the brush end with the legs facing up, then two shim washers on the bottom and the plastic firbre washer thingy against the end cap so that it doesnt ark against the cover????
Ive tried it together several ways always with the lines on the outside to line up and once done up wont rotate so summuts wrong!
cant get me head round it tbh, proper scratcher!
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 17, 2022, 04:49:49 PM
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Cheers for the offer Ken.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 19, 2022, 06:27:15 PM
but managed to get out today as feeling slightly better. Basically felt sea sick for three days!Anyway, manned up and been out collecting bits, posting bits, buying bits etc and took a trip down to DJ Engineering at Keynesham near me to pick up the head and barrels after they got decked out on the mill for me.
The gasket surface were far from good so he’s taken 2 thou of both faces for me so hopefully all being well, I’ll have a go at cleaning the cases up with a view to getting the crank and gearbox in this weekend.
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Post by: Oddjob on August 19, 2022, 08:46:45 PM
Good news for me too.
Will finally get round to assembling the workmate so I can do some polishing. Picked this up today.
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Finished the alloy braces, painted all the logos and even did the little holes as well. Took me ages.
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Just finished painting all the other bits that required it. I'll post a pic of it assembled once it's done. Not sure yet whether to varnish the new worktops or to just leave them as they'll get hammered anyway.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 19, 2022, 10:04:47 PM
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;D
Post by: Oddjob on August 21, 2022, 12:41:18 PM
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Post by: Oddjob on August 21, 2022, 01:00:50 PM
New bolts ordered, countersunk ones.
Also the new low level feet didn't fit, the head (the part that sits against the floor) was too big to fit inside the gap in the flip out feet (high level), I need to see if I can trim the head size down so they fit inside the gap as the high level feet fold up. It's 80% done, it's just not there yet, looks really nice though.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 21, 2022, 01:34:30 PM
Just a thought.........
https://www.westfieldfasteners.co.uk/Metric-Washers/Shakeproof-Lock-Washer-External-Tooth-M12-A2-Stainless.html?google_shopping=qty_A2_Washer_ShkPrfExt_M12=20&gclid=Cj0KCQjwr4eYBhDrARIsANPywCiJtxjCtphUk-av4WP1Pi34EYrhqzTMHOncZ-LFeAJXbJA2olRv0p0aAp7eEALw_wcB
surely something like the above might sort it if its the issue that Im thinking you have.
If nothing else its been a great sideline project and it going to be mega when its done! ;) :)
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Post by: Laverdaroo on August 21, 2022, 04:13:52 PM
I took some stuff to have polished on friday which consisted of the following.........
chain guard
rear brake pedal
kickstart and boss
Points cover
4 exhaust clamps All rechromed
2 fork ears
grab rail
clutch cover
stator cover
2 x rims
front hub
sprocket cover polishing only
while emptying the box of gubbins at the bench in the factory, I see this widget thing in the bottom of the box. I've obviously missed it on stripping the motor as it was such a gooey mess and it finally showed itself in this box of bits.
I have never seen it before but after going through the parts fich pages for all the bits that were taken, and a few extra pages; I see that there are several of these in the engine that have different measurements to what I have but are associated wth the bits I dropped off. I thought that being the best placet to start looking.
You can see from the piccies that the sizes are way different so after going all through my bagged bits this morning I cant identify its home. Can any of you lot help?
Obviously I don have the bits and so cant match it up which is making things a bit tricky tbh......!
I dont think its any of these and havent found any more in those area on the fiche's, any of you recognise it and suggest a good home for it?
24261-374000 Fork gearshift pin guide (gear cluster)
94303-08140 PIN C Dowel 8 x 14
94301-08140 PIN A Dowel stator 8 x 14
94302-06100 PIN dowel 6 x 10 sprocket cover
The sizes are nothing like I have so could it be wear? Basically got well muddled up and cant get me head round it......Anyone?
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Post by: Oddjob on August 21, 2022, 05:29:52 PM
Few things come to mind.
Locating pin from the crankcases for the gearbox needle roller bearings.
Gear fork engagement pin, goes under the circlip.
Starter clutch as Julie says. Should be 3 in there.
My money is on the locating pins.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 21, 2022, 08:04:47 PM
The fiche shows two of them, I’ve got one, still described as a dowel but it’s solid.
Thoughts?
Also I’m after new oil control valves for the barrels, anyone got any or am I getting stung for a new set from Mr Silverino?
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I’ve got some oil control valves somewhere
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I've got a load of the different engine dowels in stock Roo, I'll have a measure up to see if I can work it out. Are you sure it's not from the starter clutch?
No, Im not sure at all! :(
Post by: Oddjob on August 22, 2022, 12:34:52 AM
Oil control valves FOC to you mate, I’ll throw them in with the other bits.
Post by: Oddjob on August 23, 2022, 05:54:36 PM
It's not to my satisfaction if I'm honest. I intend to replace the front board and modify the new one so it gives me more working area. It will do for the time being though. Not varnished it yet, might as well wait until I do the new board. I also need to do the bolts on the rear board.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on August 24, 2022, 01:05:17 AM
"It's not to my satisfaction if I'm honest. I intend to replace the front board and modify the new one so it gives me more working area. It will do for the time being though. Not varnished it yet, might as well wait until I do the new board. I also need to do the bolts on the rear board"
You miserable git ;D ;D
That looks the absolute swingers Ken,give over!
Now stop arsing about and crack on with those weeds in that path! ;) 8)
Top draw as ever mate, better than when new. 'Work Mate Monthly' are gonna flip when they see that! ;) :D
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 24, 2022, 01:12:55 AM
Thankyou please :)
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Post by: Oddjob on August 24, 2022, 02:58:45 AM
The problem is the bearing is almost unobtainable these days, very few left around. If it's not rumbling I'd leave it alone.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on August 24, 2022, 11:40:18 AM
Got it in the states whilst I was there! NOS
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220824/3be012504513e8acb9ee8fda2086ceaf.jpg)The blue arrow is the set ring for that shaft, it’s the smaller one I need mate.
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Post by: Oddjob on August 24, 2022, 01:07:40 PM
Getting it off is fairly easy, it's getting it on that can be a problem. Hitting the sprocket end of the shaft isn't that much of a problem, it's fairly solid steel BUT I'd still use something between the shaft and the hammer, thin piece of metal maybe. However when installing the bearing you need to hit the other end and that's a lot more fragile, I seem to recall some brass bushing inside the shaft, so protecting the end of the shaft is vital because if you deform it then the needle bearing won't go on or it will bind inside it.
The O ring should be easy to find I reckon, nothing special about it, just really thin.
Don't forget, DON'T reuse the circlips. Not worth the risk.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 24, 2022, 02:19:26 PM
Cheers, mate.
Post by: Oddjob on August 24, 2022, 04:10:12 PM
Just found the setring and the oil control vales.
Also just found the dowels which hold the needle rollers in place, they are 6mm wide and 10.4mm long. That match what you were looking at?
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 24, 2022, 06:09:50 PM
Nice one Ken ;)
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on August 24, 2022, 06:53:27 PM
off to the cave of dreams
Too much information
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Too much information
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Not THAT cave Steve, that's Thursday nights! ;D :o
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Post by: Laverdaroo on August 26, 2022, 01:51:47 PM
However, other things are moving along nicely with parts sent out for polish and chrome. I've not done Plastic coating on a frame before but going to give it a shot with the 550 and see what we get. I've seen the chaps work before and he came reccomended so hoping for a great result, his other stuff looked awesome tbh so fingers crossed.
I've mocked everything up and made all the alterations I think I'm gonna do on it and had a rough fit up to see where evrything lives and to check clearances for the mods etc and happy to announce that 'Mejima' is off to get a nice new coat of shiney black on Monday. Hopefully I can get the Motor built and back in once I get everything in the post that I need to complete the it and have her in the frame in the next weeks?
Been a bit of a swine so far during the whole build but thos who have had a read previous will have clocked that the starting point was an 'absolute shit*er' and barely had any original parts on it to start with so feeling chuffed-ish with the progress so far but as ever, wish I had more money! ;)
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Post by: Oddjob on August 26, 2022, 04:45:07 PM
Best done before having anything powder coated though. Uses a fair amount of grease but it's not as bad as you think. Also have one on the brake lever pivot tube, main stand and both the front brake arm pivots. Also have plans to modify the side stand pivot bolt to use a grease nipple, ok it's a bit OTT but it prevents wear and keeps things working as they should.
Just an idea, you don't have to do them but at least you know BEFORE you do any painting etc.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 26, 2022, 06:49:20 PM
A mod I did recently on the 1300 was to fit a grease nipple onto the headstock, you can then give the head stock bearings a new bit of grease every year without having to take it too bits.
Best done before having anything powder coated though. Uses a fair amount of grease but it's not as bad as you think. Also have one on the brake lever pivot tube, main stand and both the front brake arm pivots. Also have plans to modify the side stand pivot bolt to use a grease nipple, ok it's a bit OTT but it prevents wear and keeps things working as they should.
Just an idea, you don't have to do them but at least you know BEFORE you do any painting etc.
Well reminded Ken, I'd forgotten that, that's going onto the list. Still waiting for that O ring that sits on the countershaft, Cant really get much together til I have it.
Kick start's in the case and Ive done as many other pre fit jobs as I can but waiting for this.
Tonights 'Planet Rock fest' in the shed is going to be lapping the valves and putting the gubbins back in. That should keep me occupied for a bit.
Question.
Whats the best way of building these units back together?
Upside down, fitting the starter clutch and Primary chain then leave it floating in the case albeit in position, then sliding the primary shaft through it once the cases are together. Is that possible
OR
Having the primary shaft in situe in the top case and crank etc and juggling to get it together that way?
I suspect the former is preferable to the latter but is there anything I should be warry of? Especially as I have fingers like bunches of pork sausages!...... ;D
Post by: Oddjob on August 26, 2022, 07:34:11 PM
Build everything in the top case, fit the primary/camchain etc and then suspend the primary hub onto the primary chain, fit the bottom case and then threaded the primary shaft through when it's bolted together. Can be a little tricky when it's a new primary chain as it's very tight with no slack but a little leverage works wonders, just be careful where you lever against. Don't have the oil pump fitted and you can see the primary shaft coming toward you and know which way to turn it so it lines up.
Sounds harder than it is TBH.
If you fit a grease nipple onto the brake lever pivot tunnel look at the pin which goes through there, there is a small flat spot near the centre, the grease nipple should be situated so it pushes grease into that recess. File a flat spot on the tunnel where the nipple will sit and fit with a copper washer so the nipple seals and doesn't just pout out of the gap between the nipple and the tunnel. Same with the headstock and even the front brake pivot pins. Either drill 4mm and fit a 5mm nipple or 5mm and fit a 6mm nipple. You can buy stainless steel grease nipples now so no rust either.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 26, 2022, 08:02:15 PM
Post by: Oddjob on August 26, 2022, 10:24:09 PM
Thinking of the headlight mounts, the oil control valves and the setring.
Those will just drop in a jiffy bag. Unless you can think of anything else that you need, oh just thought, you need the primary chain tensioner as well so you can modify the bottom crankcase. Large jiffy bag then ;D ;D
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 27, 2022, 01:54:38 AM
Finally remembered tonight to punch the screws on the starter clutch on the primary drum. I've been on at myself to do it since w I put the new cush rubbers in. I got destracted, bagged it and then forgot I had to do it that was about a week ago!
You know one of those jobs you remember when youre doing something completely un related? I was helping push an old chaps car out the way this morning in Wells where he'd a flat and just stopped in the middle of the road in a bit of a panic. Bless him, me and another chap changed it and got him away but whilst doing it I was thinking about pinning those three screws the whole time;D Mad how the grey matter works is'nt it? 8)
I meant to ask what were the details of the thread related to that tensioner mod that you were talking about, I went to have a look the other night and couldn't find it for the life of me! Can you bung us the link if yu get a chance?
Cheers Ken appreciated as ever for the help 8)
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 27, 2022, 02:16:33 AM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201929722303?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338749392&toolid=20006&customid=GB_131090_201929722303.136730267003~1658029614867-g_CjwKCAjw3qGYBhBSEiwAcnTRLsO05dN6fTMA0EpWlCrFtpFNYFGLA04a9hU8JD01ipc7yI50HoTh6xoC2OEQAvD_BwE
Post by: Sesman on August 27, 2022, 07:00:11 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 27, 2022, 10:00:06 AM
Cheers Phil.
Post by: Oddjob on August 27, 2022, 12:23:18 PM
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,80690.25.html
Yep, that's the same stuff I now use. Expensive ain't it?
The bad thing about the primary hub screws is you don't need to remove them to change the damper rubbers.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 27, 2022, 01:22:48 PM
Anyway, done now so all cool for school and ready for bobbing in the casses.
I've ordered that honda bondand should be here in a few days with abit of luck but its bank holiday Monday and they're on strike Tuesday so I might get it before the end of the week!
Yeah, is'nt it steep for that goo, I thought the RS stuff that Ducati foist upon you was dear but, kin el! :o
Post by: Oddjob on August 27, 2022, 03:18:58 PM
I know I said I'd sent those internal for your front forks but just thought, what's up with the current springs as those are proving a little difficult to package.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 27, 2022, 03:27:21 PM
Does that mean I get a credit note? ;D ;D
I'm going to swap the lowers with the 'super bling, mirror finish,set' I'm getting off you to make a sooper dooper pair as these have freshly done stantions from Philpotts.
I've new washers, bolts and bits and bobs for the internals to replace so I'll build em up as a fresh set as soon as I get them.
Nice one Ken, appreciate it buddy 8)
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I see there should be a twin tipped dimple on the top, the one removed doesn’t, is it vital to its operation meaning this is junk?
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Post by: Laverdaroo on August 27, 2022, 09:55:28 PM
This has an indent rather than a min or cast like tower. Is that knackered?
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Post by: Laverdaroo on August 27, 2022, 10:02:27 PM
Right, anybody got one or are they unobtainium now, dare I ask?
Post by: Bryanj on August 28, 2022, 08:54:36 AM
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Post by: Oddjob on August 28, 2022, 12:30:53 PM
I have a couple of the rotor bit, about the same nick as yours, there should be a small bump on the back which located into the slot on the end of the gearchange drum, the part which sticks through the seal. However it's not vital as so long as you fit it correctly and the screw/bolt is tight so it doesn't move it will work fine.
The other bit, you can either repair it or try and find a new one. I do have a couple of them if you need one, got 2 off those engines I just split.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 28, 2022, 02:59:11 PM
There was talk on here about using a 350 rotor but the thread goes quiet before any info of if it worked was divulged. Did anybody hear anything about the fix or Mod that chap did? From what I read, the strip of metal that causes the connection was smaller on the 350 item than the 550 one but the photo he put up wont open so cant even compare.
If the 350 one is a goer that might be an option. Mine doesn't have the dimple on the top, you can see where it was though. As for that snapped tang, happy for any info as I say, have no idea where it came from, there are no bright bits on the rotor or signs of snappage on the stay so not sure what it's about. I cant see it on any photos I've found either. That one for sale in Hull is NOS in the bag but its 40quid which is a bit steep for me just at the minute but if I have to I will.
If you think you have a replacement I'll have it Ken as having never fitted one, this one pretty much falling off on dissasembly and me never having worked on these before, I have no reference point for bodging a knackered on such as this so maybe be advantageous buying a new complete one if no body has one fit for re use.
I presume thats where the connector goes to the loom but no info here and bad photograhy means I'm flyong blind on this bit.
Post by: Bryanj on August 28, 2022, 03:19:02 PM
The loose bit is the end of the u section that rubs on the rotor, the hole should be a dimple and it has been weakend and broke off.
As i said Trigger had a sheet of etched copper contact strips so you could remove the original rivets and use small bolts n nuts. I will be seing them in november ask if he has any left and i will collect
Post by: Oddjob on August 28, 2022, 04:36:40 PM
I'll send it with the stuff with the fork sliders when I finally get round to doing them. The envelope with the small bits is sealed and TBH I don't think it would have gone in anyway.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 28, 2022, 06:08:09 PM
I get how it works, just havent seen a new one or one thats functional. So is it the rotor thats goosed or the actual 'stay' then? Still cant find any bright metal on it in the slightest depicting where this bit is from........, wonder if it was hanging on by a thread and gave up in the bag, with the removal being it's swan song?? It's no surprise tbh, everything else on this has been bodged, hacked, cut off or shagged out so its no surprise really!
In that case I'll hang fire for a bit then Ken, thanks mate, let me know how much and I'll fling you some spuds over mate.
Bryan, thanks mate you are a true Gent. Grab one/some anyway then, they sound particularly useful to have floating about in the workshop and you being so close makes it rather handy if I have to bob up and see you for a blag ;) 8)
Thankyo all, youre all mint! :) :) :) :) :)
Post by: Oddjob on August 28, 2022, 06:34:08 PM
http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,19297.0.html
The bottom pic is the CB500/550 neutral switch and you can clearly see the part you found in the bag.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 28, 2022, 07:33:32 PM
Cheers for that, went for a blast up to Brizzle and it was in my head all teh way back! ;D
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 31, 2022, 11:29:14 AM
Dont want to spend the earth if I can help it........
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Cheers Florence, never had one, know theyve been used for years but
Obviously too young you whipper snapper!
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 31, 2022, 12:21:15 PM
Can't risk letting one out just in case it's not a dry one.
Wendy frequently tells me she knew she had married Mr Right but didn't know my first name was Always.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 31, 2022, 12:24:49 PM
Post by: Oddjob on August 31, 2022, 12:47:15 PM
500 is ok for a split link, had one fitted for many many years and very handy for removing the chain so you can clean/oil it. Especially if like me you used Duckhams Chainguard which you melted on the stove and put the chain in, great stuff until you drop the tin all over your mums kitchen floor and it sets instantly.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 31, 2022, 01:11:47 PM
I too have dropped a tin of molten wax on the kitchen floor at the grand age of 16...............on top of week old new lino. My mum beat the crap out of me with a slipper for that one ;D
Dont think it was duckhams but some other gubbins we used to get from the guys at Acklams in town. There was never a better looked after TY80 in existance at the time, I loved it. ;D
Post by: florence on August 31, 2022, 01:13:25 PM
While we are on the subject, I would also recommend fitting a Scott-Oiler, marvellous contraption, maintains your chain in tip-top order. I have one on my 500, hidden where the airbox used to go. Cannot rate it highly enough.
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 01, 2022, 12:05:49 PM
Ken that bag came this morning with the gubbins in, cheers mate, I can get in now.
Although, whilst looking for some bits from my chippy box at the back of the bench, look what I found………….I bloody knew I hadnt lost it. Do you want yours back mate? The bloody thing had slithered down the back
I’ve had to order a gearshift drum stopper collar/washer bushing to get the mech put into the cases as that is missing also.
I’ve never seen it so deffo know it was never there which is a pain. I only looked at the fiche as I couldn’t suss how to fit it and discovered I have an issue!
There’s only two for sale and both in the USA so I’m waiting for that and until it gets here I’ll have to walk away from it which is a right pain as I wanted this back together before I take off for another 7 weeks again on the 15th
If anybody has one can I borrow it and I’ll drop you a NOS one back when I collect it while I’m over in the good ol’ US of A?
Quite hard to find at reasonable cost, even this one robbed me 10 bucks plus post
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Post by: Oddjob on September 01, 2022, 01:18:15 PM
STOP bloody buying stuff like that collar, I must have one of them lying around somewhere, ask first before spending money, it's not a problem and I'd sooner all my little bits like that get used than thrown away when I kick the bucket ::)
Post by: Bryanj on September 01, 2022, 04:01:47 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 01, 2022, 05:08:18 PM
Just landed in and having a brew, when I bob out to The Shed of Dreams' later I'll sort a piccy out and bob it up.
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 01, 2022, 05:20:19 PM
It sits on the selector bits near the end of the shift drum. Bits it sits on shown, top case upside down showing area, on the fiche it’s number 12 Bryan.
Utter hens teeth this side of the Atlantic as far as I can tell. I reiterate, serves me right for excitedly buying a sh*tter! Should no better
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Post by: Oddjob on September 01, 2022, 11:59:56 PM
I'll also have some in a huge box of bits that's in the garage but being such a small part it will be right at the bottom among hundreds of other little pieces. I'll keep looking though.
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 03, 2022, 06:29:40 PM
Is the third gear on here the wrong way round, I’m only getting half over lap on the counter shaft. .
If I turned it round it would line up but can’t remember if that’s right, the books. It that finite and I can’t tell.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on September 03, 2022, 07:08:24 PM
I've jhalf a dozen new circlips in a pot ready for just this sort of pre-buttonning the casestogether panic ;)
Nice one Ken, cheers mate. Kepp yer posted.
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 03, 2022, 07:52:24 PM
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Just so I wont ever be worrying, is that the right configuration for these two washer/shims? from what I can make out from the fiche, its this way round but am I mis reading it? Just dotting my 'i's' and crossing the 't's' so to speak.
Ive looked at the fiche for ages and I'm pretty sure its that way
Okay, so thats a shot of the box in 5th gear and things look a lot straighter and its made the box a bit tighter if you know what i mean, it feels a bit more connected ifthat makes sense..........
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 03, 2022, 07:53:31 PM
Cut lips not on it yet but that’s 5th
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Having one of those ..........'is that right?' evenings Bryan ;D
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Post by: Laverdaroo on September 04, 2022, 01:39:10 PM
I'm gonna try the gears all together wiht everythng in and have a play. I think I've managed to get it right but not tighten everything down until I'm sure. That inkling of doubt is still there so playing it safe but that helps heaps Phil,mcheers mate that s treat
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Post by: Sesman on September 04, 2022, 01:49:21 PM
Looks like an excellent finish on the cases by the way.
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 04, 2022, 01:57:07 PM
Oh, yes. Looks like a third world operating theatre….very nice.
Looks like an excellent finish on the cases by the way.
It is ;D
The cases came out reallynice, I'm realy chuffed with it tbh, the frame went off for plastic coating on Thursday along with a bunch of bits so that'll be ready ror when I come back.
Theres a ton of stuff at the chromers being done and some more polishing to go. I've a few bits to drop off at various places but I hope to have all prepped before I go away, come back, pay and pick up everything and have a monthe of shed time fiddling when I get back in October.
I've just discovered a hole in the petrol tank under where the badges go so need to find a some bits to get that sorted but in real time, I'm just stuck for tyres, paint, and an end can and getting the seat covered once mocked up how thock everythings going to be.
I'm kinda getting there. Didnt think I'd be uttering those words quite yet but there's time for an enormouse carasroph*ck so not counting my blessings quite yet. ;D
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Post by: Laverdaroo on September 05, 2022, 07:46:13 PM
Just crossed my address out cos this is public etc but was this supposed to be the clutch shims?
I say supposed as it came to me open and completely empty. I’m only guessing that it’s from you.
If it was, don’t worry I’ll get some made I know you only had ten sets done and all sold, I’ll get some somewhere, could you send me the dims that I can pass onto a supplier?
Cheers mate, told you I had awful luck……………….case in point!
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Post by: gary123 on September 05, 2022, 08:05:30 PM
Royal mail 1st class pays compensation up to £20. the sender must claim and provide proof of value, they usually try to fob you off with a few stamps, but stick with it and they will pay cos they have to. ( I ran a post office for 20 years). It helps if the sender has proof of postage. Save the envelope as evidence.
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 05, 2022, 08:40:52 PM
It's been one of those days today. 20 tonne JCB I've been on all day decided to grenade its fan blade into its radiator and die so thats anoter three day loss waiting to get anoter to finish this job I'm on, I go to the states next Thursday!! Puncture on the way home on the crappest commute through Bristol ever, to get home..........in the rain. I get home, Teds parcel of tanks plants came which was sent recorded last Tuesday, so he ended up with three pots of snot and to crown the day off, the post came pre opened and I had a sodding envelope put through the door! YAY!
I now have selection issues with the gearbox on the 550 now the cases are together, when I've had a brew and a massive sulk I'll put a post up explaining and see if anybody has any ideas.
I just cant be arsed with today, quite frankly it can sod off, i'm glad its nearly over if I'm honest.
Harrumf! >:(
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on September 06, 2022, 09:28:48 AM
Bad luck comes in threes so today should start to improve.
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Post by: Oddjob on September 06, 2022, 05:55:43 PM
Started the fork slider for you.
Only 1/3rd done but it's a lot further on now. Just tidying up some areas before repolishing it again.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on September 06, 2022, 06:26:46 PM
Well, half three this arvo, chap in the loader shovel gives me a little 'love tap' on my bumper which from behind,it's a common occuranceas for a bit of fun! I was using the concrete pecker to smash out a load of rock at the time and for once had the door open, that shunt knocks my phone off my quadlock on the window and I just sit there and watch it bounce on the floor, then down onto the tracks of the 30 tonner I was on and landed on a rock but it landed at a funny angle that flipped it into a beautiful, rugbyball-esk spin whilst everything went 'slo-mo' for a second, I start to try tonleap out and I watch it go gently 'PLOP' into the reservoir......................which is 18meters deep just there.
With a swear I slammed the pecker down and split one of the hydraulic lines, there's another 130 quid and then getting out to swear louder, I catch my 'IV' that goes from my tummy to my insulin pump on my belt and snapped the line meaning no insulin delivery............................I didnt say anything, I just got in my van and came home.
Another right off of a day where it appears I like to work for nothing. >:( >:( >:( >:(
New Line on the pecker and a new phone as I'm sim only................ Bout a grand for today...............Good going!
It's the only phone i've never insured as it was due for a contract renewal in October and a free handset..
F**KIN SICK!
Nice work Ken, sadly my enthusiasm for anything has evaporated today. Appreciate it mate.
Just so you know, my trip has been brought forward by 5 days so I go on the 15th. Dont kill yerself doing those sliders mate, I think I have to split the cases again as Im not happy with the selection. I had some shots to post but they're on my phone!!
It appears now that all is buttoned up that the lever has full travel but the selecter wheel only turns half a selection leaving the upper selector wheel thing on the point of the star rather than going into the web and selecting the gear. If you spin the shaft that goes to the clutch, it will select up and down the box but only if you manually twist the shaft or the front sprocket shaft. Not sure if this is the norm but doesnt appear right to me. I cant see a fault and start the whole sequence of fitting the mech and finish it as described in the book, on the net, on you tube etc so head scratching but probably wont go out tonight into the shed, Havent the concentration nor the will TBH!
Post by: Sesman on September 06, 2022, 07:32:42 PM
Sorry to hear you are having a rough time. Good luck is just around the corner…🤞
Post by: Sesman on September 06, 2022, 07:35:58 PM
Post by: Sesman on September 06, 2022, 07:46:38 PM
Post by: Oddjob on September 06, 2022, 07:53:06 PM
Just for your Roo.
Almost done, final polish needed and some work on areas where the polishing mop won't reach.
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Post by: Bryanj on September 06, 2022, 09:57:05 PM
Post by: Sesman on September 06, 2022, 10:00:42 PM
Post by: Johnny4428 on September 06, 2022, 10:36:29 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 06, 2022, 10:42:18 PM
I'm astounded Ken, I think I agree with Phil! You might have well chromed them, theyre gonna look mint!
Well that has cheered me up no end, I almost smirked then ;)
Thanks mate you're a good un.
Post by: Oddjob on September 06, 2022, 10:53:28 PM
Just so you’re warned Roo, the other one is fine, it’s just this one that has that slight blemish
Post by: Oddjob on September 07, 2022, 01:51:50 AM
If you can select all 5 gears whilst rotating at least one shaft then you’re good to go. You only need to spin one shaft as there is enough meshing going on for it to turn the other shaft enough for gears to engage.
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 07, 2022, 08:17:26 PM
I went out at 3 this morning to strip the cases as it was niggling me so much it woke me up!
Stripped back to bear cases, reassembled and still the same so I'm leaving it and going to build the rest of it up complete. watching loads on the net it appears that others have a much free-er spinning assembly than I do and wondered if it was something to do with the assembly lube being really thick and making everthing drag somewhat? I've never used it before and tbh might not bother again as I really dont like it. Think I'l stick with engine oil next time.
Post by: mickwinf on September 07, 2022, 09:20:34 PM
Post by: Oddjob on September 07, 2022, 10:34:17 PM
Post by: Sesman on September 08, 2022, 08:35:40 AM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on September 08, 2022, 11:37:13 AM
I wondered tbh, surely the inertia of the motor would aid in th eselection through the mesh while the motor is running?
I went out at 3 this morning to strip the cases as it was niggling me so much it woke me up!
Stripped back to bear cases, reassembled and still the same so I'm leaving it and going to build the rest of it up complete. watching loads on the net it appears that others have a much free-er spinning assembly than I do and wondered if it was something to do with the assembly lube being really thick and making everthing drag somewhat? I've never used it before and tbh might not bother again as I really dont like it. Think I'l stick with engine oil next time.
I only used assembly lube on white metal bearings & the camshaft - elsewhere I used oil.
TBH it never crossed my mind to use assembly lube on gearbox parts - I can see that might explain your issue.
Post by: Oddjob on September 08, 2022, 01:04:37 PM
I only ever used engine oil on the gearbox when assembling, it gets plenty as soon as the engine starts, it doesn't rely on the oil pump for lubrication. I tended to use STP on the crank bearings and the camshaft surfaces back then. It was like golden treacle and did a fine job of protecting the surfaces until the oil got there. You just don't see STP anymore or Slick50.
Post by: Bryanj on September 08, 2022, 03:07:51 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 08, 2022, 03:43:45 PM
Just thought Roo, the fork sliders will not look right when fitted. Lets see how clever you are, why?Because the glare from the polishing will have already damaged my retina’s and I won’t be able to focus, what?
Don’t tell me, there’s two lefts and you hadn’t noticed until now?….. go on
I’ve not been out there and kind of blanked bikes out this week, it’s been such a shocker I’ve not dared go in there
My Honda bearings were the same, they were all NOS and all the same hardly moved at all ex pet u set duress, washed them in petrol and left them percolating in a dish of lube for a day or so before I fitted them and they came out perfect. Re assembly gunk, I used some stuff recommended to me by the husband of a pal of mine, she drag races and atone point was UK fastest lady pr similar, on the funny bikes. He builds her motors and lashes everything in it and I appreciate her motor is stressed to buggery but any helps good help and all that. Perhaps not so in this environment. It really is proper sticky doings!
I know the box gets lashed with oil from the off but thought a) wouldn’t hurt bobbing a bit in, b) didn’t know when the engine would get any oil as might not be rigged up until I get back from Yeee-haaaw. and c) It’s like green treacle
,I mean it’s GREEN!
Well, with a poke of reassurance, I will continue blindly on and attempt to get the pots on and slide the barrels on.
I hasten to add, fitting the second shaft once the cases have gone together by threading it through, is far easier than expected.
Nice one Ken, et all for the advice
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on September 08, 2022, 06:02:48 PM
Post by: Oddjob on September 08, 2022, 06:14:48 PM
That would look odd.
Luckily I thought about it and polished 2 end caps today.
Just doing a few bits on the slider, areas the mop won't reach. Coming along nicely.
I'll need to dig the other slider out and make sure I did the final touches to that or they'll look odd.
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 08, 2022, 07:56:08 PM
They're going to be epic Ken, and you said they werent good enough for yours!!! Cant bloody wait to see your creation. That is if you stop spending all your time doing things for other folk, you might get a chance to do some of your own mate. Bless yer :D ;) :)
Post by: Oddjob on September 08, 2022, 09:00:00 PM
Finished.
Done both the slider and the 2 fork caps, just need to check the other slider now. That's hiding in the loft.
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 08, 2022, 10:54:11 PM
Post by: Oddjob on September 09, 2022, 12:36:55 PM
Pic not a great one TBH, took it indoors as it was dark by the time I'd finished. They look much better in natural light.
I've got some stainless studs, washers and nuts for mine along with a stainless drain bolt and of course those stainless seal circlips. New dust seals as well and newly hard chromed fork stanchions. Brand new stainless top nuts as well. Should look pretty good I reckon.
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 10, 2022, 12:09:14 AM
When I get to yours when they coem, I'll strip Simons and build up the new set from your bottoms, hit stansions and new gubbins Ive aquired. As the 'six toed bog hoppers' say down 'ere...........'Proper Job' :D
Nearly forgot, we have those bling top bolts to fit too...............ooo, shiney al the way to the top Ken.....nice ;D 8)
Post by: Oddjob on September 10, 2022, 02:36:02 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 10, 2022, 06:27:07 PM
More bling, get in ;D ;D ;D
These forks are really going to be a bit of a cherry on the front end mate, really chuffed. Cheers.
Although I have taken on board everything that everone has said re the gearbox and the assembly, becausei had the shaft apart changing bearings and the like, that and getting that gear back to front on the output shaft upon assembly, i think thats what's put all the questions and gremlins in my head on poor selection issues.
This morning I had to bob up to Bryans to pick up that 500 to drop off to Ted later on so I took the motor up with me just to let him have a fiddle and give an appraisal..........For peace of mind and a bit of sanity in all honesty.
Aaaaanyhoo, Bryan gave the poor old girl the thumbs up so I'm hoping to get out and continue the saga tonight and get a bit more done before I leave later this week. Cheers everyone for all the suggestions and humour, all gratefully received. Thanks for the fiddle Bryan, bet you dont hear that too often? ;) :D
Que Phil:................
Post by: SPR on September 10, 2022, 09:18:28 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 11, 2022, 12:17:53 PM
Just had one of those brain afrts/gremlins that wouldnt go so it was a fortuitous visit and thought I might kill two birds with one stone.
Gremlins erradicated and I even managed to get the rings on the pots last night as a victory dance so I'm going to get the barrels and head on today if I get an elongated spell in the shed of dreams. I know there's a blues session on the radio this arvo so that sounds like a plan.
More later..... ;D
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 12, 2022, 12:52:42 AM
if I get chance, heaps to sort before departure but getting there
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Post by: Laverdaroo on September 12, 2022, 12:58:09 AM
I had a thin line on the points end of the cam on the 400, I don’t appear to have anything except this notch, I presume that’s the mark is it?
If so, do Ione up the bottom of the notch with the shite face of the top of my head? Would that be the correct way?
Just checking as I can’t find a ref just yet….
Ta
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Post by: Oddjob on September 12, 2022, 01:07:00 AM
Post by: Bryanj on September 12, 2022, 08:37:42 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 12, 2022, 09:34:28 PM
I realosed I should have spun it a bit for the shot but couldnt be bothered to go out again to take another . I havent seen this before so hence the question. I'd asumed that it should sit with the bottom of the notch level with the surface of the head.
Ive not got as far as the A/R mech, that was tonights job but just got home so I think thats torn it for 'ce soir'.
Cheers fellas, I'll set it up if I get a vahnce but realstically I dont think I'm going to get a chance before I leave.
Cheers ;)
Post by: Sesman on September 13, 2022, 07:57:31 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 13, 2022, 07:11:30 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 17, 2022, 06:18:04 PM
Hondaman box for Jezza
Gear selector spacer thingy for Bryanto replace the one he lent me
And this little NOS cracker……get in
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Post by: Nurse Julie on September 17, 2022, 06:26:56 PM
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Post by: Laverdaroo on September 17, 2022, 06:29:18 PM
Well chuffed all round then............having a better week already ;D
Post by: Sesman on September 17, 2022, 06:33:56 PM
Post by: Sesman on September 17, 2022, 06:44:53 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 17, 2022, 06:56:15 PM
Is it the neutral switch contact?Yes Phil, that's correct.
Post by: Sesman on September 17, 2022, 07:31:14 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 17, 2022, 08:00:57 PM
Post by: Sesman on September 17, 2022, 08:11:37 PM
Hope it’s all going well in gator land.
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 18, 2022, 10:49:15 PM
could anyone measure the outlet at the collector end of the exhaust for me as I'm hoping to get an end can out here and stuff the import tax. Forgot to write it down before I left. OD to OD if poss please.
Mine's and F2 with the swoopy headers that go down the r/h side.
Fanks ;) :)
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on September 19, 2022, 09:36:57 AM
I just had one of those heart stoppers, instantaneously developing terminal self doubt.
Good to read it's not just me that experiences that feeling🫣
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 23, 2022, 03:46:55 PM
has anybody managed to find an alternative to the honda items for fitting the carbs to the motor or is the enclosed part number the preferred method as it's gen parts?
QUite expensive, special order and just wandered if anybody had any good looking alternatives?
Carb to engine, airbox to carb so theres 8 required.
Cheers
Honda part number:-BAND B. AIR CLEANER *H17256-053-010
Post by: Bryanj on September 23, 2022, 04:18:38 PM
When looking for clips i think you need 7mm wide which can be awkward
Post by: Oddjob on September 23, 2022, 04:54:13 PM
I got quite a few in the boxes when I bought my 2 spare 550 engines recently, not sure what condition they are in and I'm ashamed to say I still haven't got round to setting up my zinc/nickel plating stuff.
How many would you need of each?
I used these when I first rebuild the L reg 500. https://www.stainlessmiddleton.co.uk/34317-extra-narrow-clip-5-16-wide-hose-clamps
They sat in the garage for over 40 years and they still look perfect. They are thin enough not to foul the rubber edges of the manifold rubbers. And they look very smart fitted.
Post by: Bryanj on September 23, 2022, 06:24:32 PM
Post by: Sesman on September 23, 2022, 07:12:16 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 24, 2022, 01:59:18 PM
I have the steel fragon air box to fit so I need the bands that attach from the carb to the air box, the bands that go from carb to rubbers and from the rubbers to the head.
Sorr Ken, I was looking late at night and didnt really explain that well.
Basically I have no clamps/bands of any description as they were all scrap or of dubious origin, condition.
Basically its all 12 that I need ::)
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 24, 2022, 02:06:18 PM
Thunking on I actually need just the ones from the carb to the rubbers and the rubbers to the head..........the steel dragon items dont use the bands!
Still on my first coffeem things will improve, I'm sure. 9am and 85 deg...............!
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 24, 2022, 03:39:51 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 25, 2022, 05:47:52 PM
I looked at the state of the points before I left as a bit of torture. After a short intake of breath and a swear I decided that after all this work on the bloody thing, the least I should do is make sure that with all the new electrical items being fitted to the bike, as it never had a loom when I bought it; I should at least replace the grotty points and condensers as a matter of course. The surfaces are very pitted and a gorilla has already been in there with a blacksmith file more commoly used for shaving horses teeth I think, by the look of them and theyre pretty much shagged out.
A surrupticious sneeky peek at the internet at break shows various suppliers, costs and availabilities. Any thoughts?
I reckon this is going to be a close thing to Mick's Lazarus, taking the trophy for being Triggers Broom!
I remember reading on here about the dubius quality of condensers and the mine field that is of what's available. I also remember reading that some had some right hassles and I'm keen to avoid hunting for issues so could anyone remember the best source of the condensors as well as the points or is it going to be another cheque to DSS?
He sells various options and as I'm this deep into it sod the cost, do I go for the genuine ones or plump for the aftermarket ones? (wince) :o
It might be that the condensors are ok and will clean up/ test OK but they are in a shocking state and being 40+ years old I feel that its worth the cost, I'm never going to sell this one, it's a keeper so feel its justified. Whats the general consensus on these without blowing my head off with technical data, I cant handle it after all these fish, and only another 120k to go before next week.
:-\
I don't even like Koi ;D ;D
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 25, 2022, 05:56:05 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 25, 2022, 06:54:07 PM
Thanks mate ;) :)
Post by: Bryanj on September 25, 2022, 07:17:29 PM
Post by: Bryanj on September 25, 2022, 07:34:00 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 26, 2022, 01:50:42 AM
Good shout though for the sake of 9 quid odd you get a whole new set up. Thanks Bryan thats a great swerve ;)
Post by: SPR on September 26, 2022, 05:28:56 AM
presumably thats a supersession Bryan as the number on the fiche at CMSNL shows 30200323005 shown as discontinued.
Good shout though for the sake of 9 quid odd you get a whole new set up. Thanks Bryan thats a great swerve ;)
I got the complete plate when swapping mine back to points .... much cheaper way to do it than individual bits
Simon
Post by: Bryanj on September 26, 2022, 06:34:43 AM
Post by: Oddjob on September 26, 2022, 01:02:03 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 26, 2022, 02:07:19 PM
Post by: gary123 on September 26, 2022, 05:04:15 PM
Post by: Oddjob on September 26, 2022, 06:05:46 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362392707478?hash=item546049e196%3Ag%3AvT0AAOSw4-1bU6hY&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoF%2BWIGjutrrdlbyMvA3iO4b243mnIzyVEMY1SHulf1chLxrRDe9q9phNkCdOJ0Z1FDNlWWfIcr87WLZVk4edtNUoUuoh8FpRw76s6KHPXn9hLrXdwiX4H%2FD4OV%2Fo10lUmkTauonKfTgeBtvFRemsm4CdbhHL2xCcBoYRbbmkhe0rzv3IxedNZE20ImStWlN8%2BGhF7lK0fxVubw%2BV%2F%2Fw9BaY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-DO7avvYA&LH_ItemCondition=3
https://z1parts.net/ignition-contact-breaker-69-78-honda-cb750-750k-750f/
https://www.ebay.com/itm/383459509623
https://www.ebay.com/itm/155091535787
Took me less than 3 minutes to find those Roo.
Post by: Oddjob on September 26, 2022, 06:08:54 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 26, 2022, 06:34:18 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 27, 2022, 12:18:29 AM
Roo your welcome to any of this if it helps (Attachment Link)
Cheers Gary, thats real nice of you. I'll have the most complete one If I may? I'll have it as a source of bits as some of the bits on the 400 one I have are a bit shoddy and those of yours wil clean up better than the bits I have for that.
Re the 550, I have an electrical niggle that says fit brand new to reduce issues later so I think I'm going to go and buy a whole new plate, set up. Just for peace of mind. It seems silly to replace it all and then stick 40 year old electrical parts back on, that I have no history of.
I think I may have nabbed one off the net but waiting for conformation from Canada.
NOS $58...........be rude not to! Let me know how much you'd like and I'll sort it straight away.
Apprciate it Gary, cheers ;) :)
Post by: gary123 on September 27, 2022, 05:34:36 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on September 27, 2022, 07:22:35 PM
big thanks Gary ;) :)
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 01, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Bit of an unorthodox choice but in for a penny and all that
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Post by: heli_madken on October 01, 2022, 11:20:04 PM
I have a set on my CBX and just cant get enough of the noise -
https://youtu.be/UyHSEIxziGw (https://youtu.be/UyHSEIxziGw)
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 01, 2022, 11:26:29 PM
I want a kerker on the VFR eventually but will have to get something made up for that as not many companies sell after market stuff on any quality. especially not Kerler orthe new interpretation of the brand.
I've ordered a couple of extra rings to help with tuning but we'll see what it looks like when it get here. :D 8)
Youre CBX sounds absolutely superb with those on. Thanks for that.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 06, 2022, 04:52:28 AM
Has anybody cleaned and revamped a set of these before? I was thinking gloss enamels from the model shop………thoughts?
My tank is having some panels put over where the emblems were as I found some pin holes so to be sure, having them snotted up so I thought once painted, double sided foam tape and jobs s good un. Anybody had a disaster with these or have a really cool way of stripping/painting them(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221006/c1a14bf6fc059ce0f6fdde027dcf8557.jpg)
that I’ve missed?
I was going to start to clean them up whilst here to have something to fiddle with if I get a chance.
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Post by: Matt_Harrington on October 06, 2022, 09:24:47 AM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/384805344102?hash=item59982f9366:g:uTEAAOSwIlFiQxzz&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4I00aEZpd96uQWICkzx%2FK%2BDTdi%2FTWPrIFpzaZhwGVm%2BGvhVNMEFGom3hyxyAKL4zquW8oseWPC01%2BMszRkYl52K%2FimeP1EbAj8t75Zb56MA55FIWT8vP1aax5UHC0nQL5Y8qe9Qo2fMMk98zPRIcu6mMA6aP%2F3U2vMJyg3Vec0xTmL6qEcVFf0MORsrfnsrMYrtUN%2FeIL%2B7vXUevEe%2FgmCiUFk8EBv32jgsrCJtIAfH%2BI%2BPAm%2BGDoBMwt6oanay0XBLaVvVryjWsDjr1kZ%2FbAloA4vhBDVmIMkuozC0pS3kV%7Ctkp%3ABFBM1NSexvVg (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/384805344102?hash=item59982f9366:g:uTEAAOSwIlFiQxzz&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4I00aEZpd96uQWICkzx%2FK%2BDTdi%2FTWPrIFpzaZhwGVm%2BGvhVNMEFGom3hyxyAKL4zquW8oseWPC01%2BMszRkYl52K%2FimeP1EbAj8t75Zb56MA55FIWT8vP1aax5UHC0nQL5Y8qe9Qo2fMMk98zPRIcu6mMA6aP%2F3U2vMJyg3Vec0xTmL6qEcVFf0MORsrfnsrMYrtUN%2FeIL%2B7vXUevEe%2FgmCiUFk8EBv32jgsrCJtIAfH%2BI%2BPAm%2BGDoBMwt6oanay0XBLaVvVryjWsDjr1kZ%2FbAloA4vhBDVmIMkuozC0pS3kV%7Ctkp%3ABFBM1NSexvVg)
Matt
Post by: Johnny4428 on October 06, 2022, 11:03:42 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 06, 2022, 01:45:24 PM
I shall invest in some this very day..................(when Ive finished in teh fish house) ::)
Post by: Sesman on October 06, 2022, 03:01:13 PM
I used Hycote BMW jet black with ford diamond white.
Paint stripper (paramos)
Acetone wash
Black first using dropper method
White using same method
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 06, 2022, 03:29:05 PM
Post by: Oddjob on October 06, 2022, 03:47:03 PM
Post by: Sesman on October 06, 2022, 08:04:13 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 06, 2022, 10:28:09 PM
Post by: gary123 on October 07, 2022, 12:11:36 PM
Post by: Oddjob on October 07, 2022, 02:23:37 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 07, 2022, 03:12:41 PM
Look at the state of the one I took off mine earlier in the thread and what I managed to cobble together from one off a different model. It was the bet I could do.
Someone else might have a good shout for an aleternative I struggled like hell to get one hence the creative manufacture in the shed.
Post by: Oddjob on October 07, 2022, 03:17:48 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 07, 2022, 03:22:50 PM
I’ll add it to the list Gary
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Post by: Laverdaroo on October 09, 2022, 05:31:15 PM
They were only in there for 10 mins and back to metal. Not bad for a first pass!
Especially as I only had to rinse it off with hot water and zero scrubbing/shuffling about.
Gotta decent pile going but running out of weight limit, basically, I’m leaving a pair of trainers here and two pairs of knackered jeans to make the weight limit in my suitcase. I brought stuff out here that was bin it’s last legs so I could leave it when it was time to leave
Scrap yard next week………..exciting! A day rummaging about in a dank field, can’t wait
Those that have requested stuff,l’ll do-my best
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Post by: Bryanj on October 09, 2022, 07:03:51 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 09, 2022, 07:05:06 PM
I still havent learnt to spell check so just deal with it,......It's me OK? ;D 8)
You might have noticed Roo most of my posts are later amended in the futile attempt to defeat my phone's predictive text. I can't spell check on this site either.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 09, 2022, 08:34:06 PM
Is that contact breaker box the complete plate or just points? The Yanks hate Daichi because of quality problems BUT if its 10yr old old stock its probably ok as they were better then
I dont know if its period it has a white/very light grey wire covering. The chap had them advertised for over a hundred dollars but i t's the complete plate, condensers, points the lot. The seller came back to me and made me an offer so in the end with Fedex milking it dry, it came to about £60...............bit of a result I thought.
Ken poked it my way on a PM as something he'd stumbled over looking as we do, for other folk, so sent the seller a message but the seller said he didnt have any and that they were listed incorrectly. A week later he contacted me to say he'd found one and did I want it cheap?.......Pope's and silly hats were mentioned and I nabbed it.
The spares I've been sent by Gary will go to make a new, 'refurb' one that can be in the stash for others or indeed for something I'm pondering on at the minute. Either way they wont get wasted and will get a good 'nannying' in the burrow of dreams at teh end of the garden and should deffo either help me out or somebody else on the forum for minimum fuss and zero cost.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 09, 2022, 08:36:40 PM
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Post by: Laverdaroo on October 09, 2022, 08:40:08 PM
Ted, you're amongst good company, and besides, ther's nothing like a good 'triping' error
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 09, 2022, 08:43:00 PM
No doubt it's one of the crap ones Bryan and I've bought a pile of crap ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ted, you're amongst good company, and besides, ther's nothing like a good 'triping' error
Just take care not to end with kisses.xxx
Post by: SPR on October 09, 2022, 09:00:36 PM
Simon
Post by: Bryanj on October 09, 2022, 09:09:28 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 09, 2022, 09:15:10 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 09, 2022, 09:16:08 PM
No doubt it's one of the crap ones Bryan and I've bought a pile of crap ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ted, you're amongst good company, and besides, ther's nothing like a good 'triping' error
Just take care not to end with kisses.xxx
But you said you didnt mind Ted xxxx
;)
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 09, 2022, 09:27:38 PM
No doubt it's one of the crap ones Bryan and I've bought a pile of crap ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ted, you're amongst good company, and besides, ther's nothing like a good 'triping' error
Just take care not to end with kisses.xxx
But you said you didnt mind Ted xxxx
;)
I thought we agreed to keep the love that dare not speak it's name secret. 😤😤😤
Post by: Bryanj on October 09, 2022, 10:00:14 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 09, 2022, 10:51:47 PM
No doubt it's one of the crap ones Bryan and I've bought a pile of crap ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ted, you're amongst good company, and besides, ther's nothing like a good 'triping' error
Just take care not to end with kisses.xxx
But you said you didnt mind Ted xxxx
;)
I thought we agreed to keep the love that dare not speak it's name secret. 😤😤😤
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D yer smoothy Ted ;)
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 09, 2022, 10:52:31 PM
Cant tell for certain mate, looks same as the one i bought 18yrs ago
ha haa, that'll do for me Bryan 8) ;) :D
Post by: Oddjob on October 11, 2022, 04:17:31 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284998196832?epid=1153295322&hash=item425b375e60:g:kKQAAOSwRmFjRX~i&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoCF41te4AtLanesbhirQn8DzE9A5039lNKgXWvAs9OMKW47H%2FGKmfzHea5a3vs8FkfVGtCl73KwIm2UxiJRF7SatOfMMPFUHZSh3CJ%2FEy5OCWHk%2FTU%2Fk4ZYcpLM7hz9DLdLoegow4VAdz1Mkmk5YJjyHbP%2BIc2PqVKtmMNiYldwqT1Q7lrLCDtfinOK09zSouz28YKcq3qMhr7RgWXdql34%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7yAy_n4YA
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 11, 2022, 06:51:41 PM
Ill tryand find a few more! ;)
Post by: Seabeowner on October 11, 2022, 07:13:08 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284589804909?epid=1752725869&hash=item4242dfcd6d:g:9qsAAOSw4sRhz1Dm&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoDIm6eG%2BXHERrjaMqlgOZPdMQh1MOfhNpUHpJEhWTCGALXucHryk7QuV9vwnfZGj2MHVynlS6LhnMcYXIC3iM1EGRnKYmnqzKP5eCrFhDpA4eeswhG5Q4cofT5UmCDMRdrgzYkEhJIC12tMCRIbUXwogSyjqvqZv1yinlr3EKJMQIHmh3ZOwUGTz%2BPnl0ROw4cCF8ABt2ELJ0qbk%2F0cQzxE%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR96bwYP5YA
And he sold one for the same price in September (but it was in better condition)!
Post by: Oddjob on October 11, 2022, 08:04:03 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 11, 2022, 08:07:50 PM
Post by: gary123 on October 11, 2022, 08:16:56 PM
I've got four! 8)
Oh your just showing off now, I had two, but chucked one away :'(
Why dont the emoji thingys work for me
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 11, 2022, 08:24:47 PM
Nice one Gary ;D
Post by: gary123 on October 27, 2022, 01:01:37 PM
Post by: Oddjob on October 27, 2022, 02:42:50 PM
Ones a 550 rear brake plate and the other (right) is a 500 one.
I'd be interested in the sprocket chain plates if they are for sale.
The bearing retainer looks past it, I'd throw that away if it was me.
Post by: gary123 on October 27, 2022, 03:31:21 PM
Hes got first dibs on the parts. If he doesnt want them Ill let you know.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 27, 2022, 04:08:35 PM
Can I have the 550 brake plate and the sprocket guard please?
Ken,
Which one of thos is the sprocket carrier for the 550 hub, is there a way to tell without manhandling them, I have one that fits but its off what I think is a 500 hub that I bought as a job lot but ideally want the right one so that when I put my finished piccies up on here in the next century, you lot of vultures wont pull it to bits on wrong parts and take the piss? ;D ;D :o ;)
Post by: Oddjob on October 27, 2022, 08:23:25 PM
The brake plate on the left looks like a 550F one Roo, in case you need one.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 27, 2022, 08:44:17 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 28, 2022, 01:27:41 AM
In the middle of the steels there is a big, fat ,almost double steel as indicated on the parts diagram but on all the vidoes I've seen of replacing these cltcheson the 550, they dont have them, is that because mine's and F2 and not a K?
It's not very clear from the parts manual as to whats what but if I reassemble in the order it came out I should be right? Right?
I diidnt take much notice upon taking it apart as it came out as one, glued together lump which was hastily zipped up in a bag and put in the nanny pile. It' only upon starting on that side of the motor I saw it and had to have a gander at the parts book.
Not seen one of these thick jobs before, whats the crack there then?
I'm sorted with the one big tooothed friction plate just not seen one of these before.
Post by: Bryanj on October 28, 2022, 04:07:28 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 28, 2022, 09:35:55 AM
Yes I know about the wider tangs and its position, just not seen one of these before and watching a lot of how to vids and the like, I haven't seen anybody else with one in their clutch set up. Just got me interested enough to ask the question. Thanks Bryan.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 29, 2022, 01:32:44 AM
A complete set preferably.
Not into the Allen key type so after a nice shiny set of the JIS ones.
Phanks in advance
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Post by: SPR on October 29, 2022, 07:31:40 AM
https://www.zed-parts.com/j-i-s-fasteners
Simon
Post by: Bryanj on October 29, 2022, 07:40:21 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 29, 2022, 12:47:06 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 03:00:50 AM
I’m starting to sort the twin disc conversion sorted now I’ve got my rims back and was cleaning the drive gear from the front hub and found that the previous owner had kindly run a razor blade round the centre!
Why on earth would anybody do that. It now means I’m on the hunt fir one of these now. I’ve found one in the states typically and one in Japan. I’ll have to bob up a desperately seeking but if anyones got one could I relieve you of it?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221031/72642db14b1b886a22f44bfd8e0582e3.jpg)
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Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 03:01:33 AM
Number 8
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Post by: Oddjob on October 31, 2022, 09:35:59 AM
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Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 10:56:51 AM
Post by: Sesman on October 31, 2022, 11:06:18 AM
I had one but gave it to Sesman for his twin conversion.
And very grateful I was too. I know you will be onto it Roo, but take great care when modifying the Speedo drive, particularly with centralising, alignment and countersunk screws. I presume you have read the notes in Aladdin’s Cave?
Post by: Oddjob on October 31, 2022, 11:44:20 AM
Remove all parts of the dish the drive sits on, so it's totally flat, I ground most of it away and finished it off by using grinding paste on a piece of glass to ensure it was totally flat. Drill 2 x 3mm small holes in the flange of the dish, where you'd be expected to fit the screws. Next, fit the drive into the speedo drive and put that onto the spindle, fit the spindle into the wheel and press the speedo drive up against the wheel so that the flat part of the modified plate sits flush against the hub, keep pressing against the dish whilst removing the spindle and drive, care needed here to ensure it doesn't move. Mark through the holes with a felt tip so you know where to drill, drill and tap the holes, depending on space either 4 or 5mm. Tap holes and countersink the dish holes, fit with countersunk screws. Fit spindle and drive and test off the bike to ensure it a smooth run out. Doing it this way ensures the drive plate is central to the speedo drive. You may need to reduce the size of the dish to make sure it fits inside the disc, I had to do that so I presume you will to.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 11:45:08 AM
I know Bryan mentioned to me before that there were errors in the wright up in the drop box and was going to bell him but was after the right bits after finding that cock up. I was awaer there was a differing way of doing this and after a yap tonight that should become apparent, we did speak about it a while ago and I really cant remember.
The 'flange' of a previous owner cut it out and then glued it back together. The piccie of it 'as removed' from the hub gives you no clue as to it being ruined. It was only after cleaning it and it falling apart that I 'twigged'that it had been got at by an absolute arse!.
Post by: Sesman on October 31, 2022, 12:07:44 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 12:15:10 PM
After various discoveries from Bridgett I the past I’ve actually started to progress!
Frame is due back from the powder fosters on a week or so, got my rims back all sorted and the front hub has seen some action so cleaning fettling and generally grabbing fixings and replacement for shagged parts and the like. It’s going reasonably well even considering the new discoveries so can’t grumble too much.
The engine is about thete Barca few cover bits and a ball bearing and springfor the kick start but they should be here by the end of the week with any luck. Reasonably chuffed tbh.
Tank to ‘un-dent’ and solder up, liner to order and that can get dropped off for paint with the side panels and I’ll get cracking on the front wheel conversion.
Just sent the pipes off for chrome at a whopping £250 so I await them coming back to see how they look, they’re not the best set but the best I could find got what fish I had, we’ll see.
Thoroughly enjoying my time though which is what it’s all about
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Post by: Oddjob on October 31, 2022, 12:22:52 PM
I did it the second time exactly as Ken has written…..success.
That looks really good Phil, love the tyre, might go for those when I get round to buying some, which will be some time yet I'm afraid. So long as they make them in the sizes I want of course. I'll be going for 100/90x19 front and 110/90x18 rear IIRC. I've got wider rims than standard so I can use wider tyres.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 12:24:54 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 12:29:04 PM
Looks proper that Phil ;)
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 12:29:46 PM
Post by: Sesman on October 31, 2022, 12:33:52 PM
Thanks Ken. Some photos of the finished article. Still got to fit the brake hoses and a brake hose clip/ restraint to the r/h fork leg….bit of a head scratcher. These are old photos as the bike is finished, with the exception of a seat and brake hoses. 550 F2 seats seem to be very thin on the ground!
Post by: Oddjob on October 31, 2022, 12:38:08 PM
You need the proper chrome countersunk screws for the points cover Roo, they didn't use those type of JIS screws for that cover :o :o :o
If you haven't got any yet don't buy them as I may have some NOS as I don't think I'll be using the chrome cover on mine, found a NOS 650 cover instead which I intend to polish up, not sure what screws or bolts it uses to attach itself but I'd imagine the normal 8mm headed flanged bolts Honda love to use. If so my NOS screws are available.
Post by: Oddjob on October 31, 2022, 12:38:59 PM
Post by: Sesman on October 31, 2022, 12:40:05 PM
Here’s another photo nearer to completion. It’s now got the rechromed fork ears, grab rail etc on now. I’ll take some final photos when I’ve sorted the seat and hoses.
Won’t be before Xmas though.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 12:40:15 PM
Post by: Oddjob on October 31, 2022, 12:41:28 PM
Post by: Sesman on October 31, 2022, 12:42:24 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 12:45:31 PM
Just try and pull the basket out without the springs fitted, so just after you fit the circlip, if it moves it needs shimming, I tend fit shims until I can just about fit the circlip on. Easier on the 500 as it's designed slightly differently.
You need the proper chrome countersunk screws for the points cover Roo, they didn't use those type of JIS screws for that cover :o :o :o
If you haven't got any yet don't buy them as I may have some NOS as I don't think I'll be using the chrome cover on mine, found a NOS 650 cover instead which I intend to polish up, not sure what screws or bolts it uses to attach itself but I'd imagine the normal 8mm headed flanged bolts Honda love to use. If so my NOS screws are available.
They're purely for show at the minute Ken, Ive rederedall the right fixings for it, thats all I had in the workshop at the time. I'll just swap em over when the new hardware comes in.
All my cases needed new fixings as they were all hammered. Just wanted another part off the bench so bobbed it on. the sprocket cover has only two in it of dubious quality just to get the wire routes right behind the cover as i had to re wrap them all and fix a break in the green cable from the windings, I've none at all for the clutch cover theyre that bad so ordered a complete set to look puuurty! ;D
. Cheers for the offer though mate.
Post by: Sesman on October 31, 2022, 12:45:51 PM
Roo, if you can source a seat pan in very good nick at a reasonable price I’d be ecstatic.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 12:46:59 PM
Post by: Sesman on October 31, 2022, 12:47:54 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 12:48:02 PM
Yes, chain guard and rear mudguard have been rechromed and fitted. I’ve fired the engine and it runs mighty fine. I’ve even been round the block….slowly. Just the seat and hoses to source and fit.
Roo, if you can source a seat pan in very good nick at a reasonable price I’d be ecstatic.
Yours an F2 Phil? (showing my model ignorance)
Post by: Sesman on October 31, 2022, 12:50:06 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 12:57:52 PM
Roo, are you still puzzling over the Clutch metal inner plate, or have you sorted. I mention it simply because I have my clutch cover off for polishing and shimming.
No, sorted, I think. Bryan mentioned it was a gold or silverwing 'absorbsion' apparently, taken from their set ups. I can see it in the parts book but the doubt set in when looking on Youtube amongst other sources, I couldnt see the same steel in any I saw making me wonder if this was another cock up by the PO. Not seen it before, its almost like, as I understand it, a 'clutch cush drive' without the rubber..... type thing. Odd thing. I presume it acts a bit like a dual mass fly wheel on the VW's taking up someof the slack before total engagement? I think thats what I understood from Bryan.
The steels were in a shocking state and were 'steeped' in rustoleum for a coupleof days before going on the brass wire wheel to tart up. Thebits left in the oild were a right manky mess and stained really badly a nasty brown and a couple had to be poked apart from the old friction plates or what was lleft of them.
They came out surprisingly well and none twisted or out of tolerance on the glass with the feelers and verniers. A leg up for once as this has been one hell of an expensive build, nice to have a bit of a break for once :)
Post by: Sesman on October 31, 2022, 12:58:05 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 12:58:21 PM
Yes, 1977 F2. Roo, I’m sure you are aware that the F2 seat pan is unique?
Yup, neem there!!! ;D ;D
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 12:59:47 PM
I'll send out an APB accross the pond.......
Post by: Sesman on October 31, 2022, 12:59:56 PM
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Post by: Oddjob on October 31, 2022, 01:09:25 PM
Need some nice stainless bolts for the guard Phil.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 03:14:36 PM
Is it me or am I being piccy?
I asked when I dropped them off if the putting was reversible and could they do it.
Also, on the clutch cover there’s staining still and shit in the corners so having a mild tantrum and taking that back too!
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Post by: Sesman on October 31, 2022, 04:02:35 PM
Obviously fork ears are difficult to detail and mudguards need the most work.
Difficult call here, but I’d expect better attention to detail.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 04:58:22 PM
I cant do bikes to the same standard as you guys, or type but I thought that was crap tbh
Ipaid them to do it,m they havent done it, so it again! simple really. Thats what I expected.
Post by: Oddjob on October 31, 2022, 05:58:09 PM
Chain guard, pin prick holes in the old chrome, which TBH the chain guard never got on the reverse side, unless you get rid of these pin prick holes any subsequent chroming will just plate over them but sink, meaning the chrome looks like it has a rash. Only real way to get rid of them is to sand the surface flat or grind it flat then sand the grinding marks out, as the metal isn't all that thick they tend not to try it as the tools they use, like a Linishing machine, will just hole the metal and then it's junk.
Solid, thick metal, like the kick start and brake pedal however can take the linishing, hence why they turned out ok.
Clutch casing, now that's poor, they seem to think that because there buffing mops can't get into those places you can't see them, and they didn't get rid of the oil contamination beforehand hence the rash like effect. Plus the finish is frankly bloody awful, they are supposed to get it to a mirror finish and that's not even close.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 06:08:40 PM
Worst case scenario is that I put the chain tension sticker over them to hide them. Like you say, the backs fine, just not the front.
I was told all the finishing before plating would be done in house and due to the amount of metal left shouldnt be a problem. I'm familiar with the process and what's possible, I just thought it had been whipped in and whipped out to shuffle it out the door. I was expecting and was told to..expect a better finish than that. The rotor cover and sprocket cover are similar under scrutiny so I'm taking it off and taking it back I think. I'll keep you posted as tohow things develop.
Post by: Oddjob on October 31, 2022, 06:19:03 PM
Take one of the new sliders with you and tell them you want your covers to at least match that finish, which TBH isn't my best work even though you'll be more than happy with it I reckon.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 31, 2022, 06:52:25 PM
Iwas going to take one as a matter of course toshow them what a job is supposed to look like!! 8)
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 01, 2022, 02:52:41 PM
Ive never had to put a pair of sunglasses on to open a box up. BLOODY HELL! :o 8)
Not blowing smoke up anybodies arse here but I have NEVER seen anything polished as good as that!
Ken, you have a problem mate ;D ;D ;D.
To give a fair indication of how good they are, I took my bits and pieces back down to the polishers and platers this arvo. We spoke about the chroming and they tried to talk their way out of it saying, "Oh, thats in the metal and we cant clean that" I pointed out that they had done ok on the reverse side so what happened to the front then, get bored? Then it was because they couldn't de grease them and that wasnt their issue either.......I politely asked for an adult!
Throughout the entire conversation I was being TOLD rather than talked to about an issue but was having none of it, I really had to dig in and not budge. I then said, thinking I'd change the conversation over and blindside him with the clutch cover. He picked up the clutch cover and asked why I was complaining, I talked him through the staining and the soap left on them where they hadnt even been cleaned, the scratches and uneven finish etc etc. At this point the chap was getting a bit 'argey' starting to sigh and then put everything down on the table and asked what was I expecting as the clutch cover was 40+ years old and the finish they had done was good for metal of that vintage?
It was clear he thought I was being awkward.................it was this moment that I brought my secret weapon out..... 8)
I went back into my rucksack and brought out Kens fork sliders that I recieved this morning, I asked him to unwrap them and before he could stop himself he said, "Oh, they're nice" I said,"see these, thats what polished metal looks like and they're of the same vintage if not older than the clutch cover!" He said nothing and went into the factory to get the gaffa out who was a lovely fella but already i could see he was on the back foot and in apology mode so I knew it was game on for a win, he asked where I had them done (which I didnt reveal)
His next line was simply, "Yep ,Mr Newby, I'll have thoses redone for you, I'll do the quality check myself and they'll be ready by the end of the week".
I wasnt smug but thanked him and then went back to the van for a silent 'whoop' with the dog and a rollie................. 8)
Cheers Ken, theres SOME work gonei nto those, thangyou mate they're bloody awesome. I'll bob some pics up later
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on November 01, 2022, 03:03:21 PM
Post by: Oddjob on November 01, 2022, 03:07:34 PM
I was intending to either bin them for scrap or have them powder coated, only the fact that you were after a pair made me go back to them and finish them off. I've still got my second pair to polish, they are flatted and ready to do that and then I've got another pair that were originally chromed, those could be hard work if any of the nickel plate is still left on them after stripping.
Been looking at buying some spare camshaft end covers like I did for Simon, I may do a few pairs and sell them on but TBH they ain't cheap to buy, around £25 if average and some up to £40 if they are even half decent. I'm sure you could buy a couple of NOS ones for cheaper than that.
Glad to see they came in handy.
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 01, 2022, 03:14:30 PM
Thanks mate 8)
Post by: Oddjob on November 01, 2022, 03:26:17 PM
Glad you're happy with them, now get them built up and matched with your new hard chromed stanchions etc and they should look even better, the black fork caps etc should make the sliders even brighter by comparison. Oh and don't forget the new adjustable fork caps, I'm going to polish mine ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 01, 2022, 04:00:23 PM
£96!!! you could probably cast one for that couldnt you? ;D Bloody hell thats extortionate!
I've stopped looking for replaceent stuff unless its actually knackered. It's just too expensive and I figure my time in the shed is free so nanny them up rather than part with your hard earned cash for them. Yes, I'm tight but thats only cos we only have a small pot rather than a big pot to pee in here, I'm from 'Oop Norf' as they say down here and I think folk are just robbing others of their cash for parts that were as easy to find but cheaper last year. I know the restoration thing is big and that parts that are as rare as unicorn poo are worth the money, reference James's stunning Police bike but £96 is an utter joke. Some bugger will buy them though, you know it!
Post by: Oddjob on November 01, 2022, 04:32:11 PM
I think that as soon as my current project is finished I'll sell all my NOS parts, should get me enough to get my driveway done, the prices they are quoting now are ridiculous, last quote was £12000. I know it's a big garden but I was getting quoted £3000 just a few years ago and I passed on the offer.
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 01, 2022, 04:41:39 PM
I used to like doing block pavia's, I used to get right into those jobs. Not done one for a while, last one was 114 square meters. Looked the boss but took a bit of doing on my own. Mashed it out in a week but I was dead for a few days after.
I've bobbed some dosh over tp you mate, should be in yer account as I badly type ;)
Post by: Oddjob on November 01, 2022, 07:17:34 PM
I'll wait till next year in the hope prices will drop.
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 01, 2022, 07:32:21 PM
I think I’d hang on too. Anyway you never know, Putin might zap us all yer
See, saved you a load of cash already
With it all laid out, I think I’ve a busy couple of days ahead of me, and some plating and nannying on that tear bunny brake plate too!
Wheels came out nice though especially as they’re 44 year old Akron’s (is that how you spell it?) and we’re beaten to buggery. Quite chuffed how they came out
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Post by: Sesman on November 02, 2022, 08:07:20 AM
Got your PM. I’m out and about today, but will try to do the business later today.
Admire your perseverance with the polisher…….
Post by: Matt_Harrington on November 02, 2022, 09:35:57 AM
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Post by: Laverdaroo on November 08, 2022, 02:34:31 PM
Proper chuffed with those thanks heaps Max, great work mate.
Bestest still, they won’t need sodding polishing!
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Post by: Oddjob on November 08, 2022, 04:44:13 PM
Post by: gary123 on November 08, 2022, 04:57:24 PM
Nice to see Im not the only one who works on an old bath mat ;D
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 08, 2022, 05:00:53 PM
You COULD polish them Roo, you know you want too ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Bloody couldnt!!!!!!!
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 08, 2022, 05:02:53 PM
Looking really good Roo. Bit jealous of those spacers.
Nice to see Im not the only one who works on an old bath mat ;D
Stops stuff bouncing if you drop it! plus I'm attempting to polish this bloody brake plate and it wont sand but you mark it if you look at it so every little helps and all that! ;D
Post by: Sesman on November 08, 2022, 05:14:25 PM
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Dual disk conversion.done, managed to resuse tha gear retainer plate after gobbing it back together with windscreen adhesive, works a treat and still enough give fo it to work spot on hopefully.
Managed to get the clutch cover on with all the old tabs flattened out, painted and re-bent to suit on the covers, although not completely happy with where they go, is the routing right on that, can anybody advise if not? I dont like the white cover either so thats getting some heat shrink over it at somepoint in th enext couple of days.
Found a small hole behind where the badges go on the tank and after talking to Bryan and a few others, (including the Painter) on how to fix it, all mentioned, solder.
I'llsolder it then, I thought!
So after opening the hole up a bit to allow a bit more purchase for the metal to run, I melted what can only be described as a pile of solder over the hole afyer cleaning it with wire brush etc.
With the tank held, (propped) up on some wood blocks and using a plumbers blow torch, just started to heat the little 'turd' of solder until it became liquid. At this point you can see it run down the hole a bit like a miniture plug hole so I knew it was getting through and by increasing or decreasing the heat you can get a bit to go solid or run it more or even spread it out but its a very finite line betwixt, success or ruin.
Thanfully it ran perfectlky and worked first time but I did have to bob quite a bit of flux in and around it to get it to move how I wanted.
Basically I've got what appears to be an 'egg-timer' shaped plug in the hole which has sealed it up beautifully and more to the point the painter is chuffed with it so I'm good.
The areas where the badges are going are so worn with all the tabs snapped off that I'm going to have the recess's filled and put the badges over the top with a good bonding, carpet tape or similar yet TBA.
Saved potentially ruining the tank through heat and was easy to perform so a minor win this week on that front.
Whilst on with the tank, I mentioned somethng dropping off a shelf and banging the top surface some time ago and still need to get this out. After trying form the inside I can't reach it so had an idea,........ has anybody used Dent Doctor or Chips Away or whatever theyr'e called for ths sort of thing? Didnt know if it was going to be cost prohibitive or not. Need to get that sorted before it goes up for some colour but unsure what to do with it if I'm honest. Piccies enclosed.
Rear brake plate is ongoing and I'm bitching about that on the polishing thread so I wont go over that and besides its a hateful task and the least said about that the better!
New fork stansions (isit an 's' or a 't'?)have arrived so fitted them last night and built the forks up ready so I can get on with hopefully starting the wheels when the spokes come.
I alsohad a stock take and a re-arrange of the gubbins on the bench and the various stashes I have out of the eyes of The Long Haired General and managed to find alsorts in bags that I would nevr have thought would be in there.
Incidentally, Bryan, recocnise the washer/spacer?.......................bugger! ;D
Got a new addition to the shed also, spoke to a chap at the show at the weekend who recons' tools from house clearances etc and paid him £30 for this 'liddle beauty'! PROPER win that one and works a treat with only the minutest amount of throw so really chuffed.
Everything into consideration, its been a good week although not done yet and off out there in a bit hopefully to continue sanding :-[ but the engine is done all bar getting the sump on and oil in it (once it comes) and checking for its delivery at the head through the galleries via the kick start as kindly reminded by Ken.
Once done, top on and hopefully in the frame..........which I'm STILL waiting for...........hurrumph! ;)
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Matt
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Post by: Laverdaroo on November 12, 2022, 05:22:09 PM
Told you it would turn up after you got another one! Cable looks right to me
Its ther original one, I had it in a bag with all the fixings for the gear mech behind the clutch, must have had it in my hands about 30 times and still not twigged! Doh!
Lesson here is, wash everything and put it in clean bags whilst stripping and try not to write on the bag with whitr board marker so it doesnt rub off yer pillock Roo! ::)
Gonna have a go at the wheels meself Phil, the 400 ones turned out really well so ordered spokes etc today as part of another £250+ order to all and sundry! with the forks, thats over £500 this week.................eek!
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 12, 2022, 05:23:26 PM
Getting there Roo. It's a 'ch'.... stanchionsYou need to be on Countdown Julie :D
Couldnt remember,
I think I'm Lexdislick! ;) ;D
Post by: Sesman on November 12, 2022, 05:38:41 PM
My future plan is to restore the Triton, sell it and wait patiently for a substantially complete 500, even a completed one if the ‘price is right’. That will be a while, as the Clipper RTW cost is punitive.
I’m still looking for a benefactor……..
Post by: Oddjob on November 12, 2022, 05:46:26 PM
Should have put a close up pic of the clutch cover up so we could see how the chromers did with the repolish. Doesn't look to bad from a distance but could be pants close up.
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 12, 2022, 05:52:14 PM
Should have paid you to do it Ken if I’m honest!
Least it would have been right!
Here’s the routing of the points lead, forgot to bob a piccies up
Just looks odd to me, anything Vance moved but just thought it didn’t look very Honda and didn’t take a piccy cos I’m stupid
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Post by: Laverdaroo on November 12, 2022, 05:54:49 PM
Professionals get dents out by spot welding a small rod onto the dent, then use a slide hammer action on the rod to pull the dent out, the spot weld is then ground off.That’s after them doing it twice! It doesn’t photo well but the staining is still there.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221112/dd9418fba87e08697fe51d3593e39f84.jpg)
Should have put a close up pic of the clutch cover up so we could see how the chromers did with the repolish. Doesn't look to bad from a distance but could be pants close up.
Can’t get the light right to get a decent shot of the rippling and graunching they added onto it for free FFS!
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Post by: Oddjob on November 12, 2022, 06:21:07 PM
Not great that is it, I can see the staining and the scratches, which TBH usually look worse in a pic than they do in real life, I can see where they caught the edges on something as well. Got to be honest and say I've seen much worse. I can't say for sure that I'd have done better without doing one myself first, they could be complete bitches to do OR they could be pretty easy, hard to say without doing one. I've got more than a few of them TBH so maybe I'll have a go and see how one comes out.
My lads grab rail is looking to be the best I've ever done I think, if the finish before you start to polish is anything to go by it should be better than you're sliders. They were really really bad to start off with, one of the worse I've ever started with I reckon.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on November 12, 2022, 06:39:54 PM
.............................. wait patiently for a substantially complete 500, even a completed one if the ‘price is right’.
I've advised Wendy if I fall off the perch unexpectedly to contact Roo to offer up my 400 & 500 here on the sohc site before giving her brother the oportutnity to move it on.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on November 12, 2022, 06:58:29 PM
Ken, I’ve just ordered some shrink tubing amongst other finishing off bits.
Yeah, looks odd in white so it’ll get sleeved with the tangs.
I’ve got a few and I think I’ve done brass sheet .5mm somewhere, Iva always use that and tosh them up like these. (That’s a ford silver but don’t tell anyone, s’all I had
)Yeah, that cable just looks a bit of an afterthought tbh and I need to do something with that, it might get shuffled about when idk the rewire as I’ll be starting from scratch.
I’ve mocked up Lecky plate with all my Munit gubbins, darter so etc so I can go wherever I like with stuff really…….(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221112/56d682c525a481fd76588d185693ecac.jpg)
I’m hoping the dazzling front forks will distract the eye from the shite polishing of the clutch cover. If they approach from the front and don’t look over the side I’ll be sorted
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Post by: Laverdaroo on November 12, 2022, 07:14:37 PM
I’m putting a stainless sump bolt kit on it but in the book there’s no torque settings for the sump……….M6…8ft/lb’s?
Also I know they are supposed to be flanged bolts but these come with a 10mm washer and a split ring. Is the split ring needed if I just dab a dot of red loctite on em?
I ask because,
a) they look a pig sticking the bolts out.
b) they’re only 8ft/lb’s (?) so they’re not really compressing much under that and a dab of thread lock would do the same job and I can loose the splits?
I know it’s a bit, form over function but just a thought in my addled head
No?
Advice required
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Post by: Oddjob on November 12, 2022, 08:33:14 PM
I've replaced every engine crankcase bolt on my rebuild with stainless this time, the casings I use the more modern 8mm headed flanged bolts that Honda use today. I'll zinc/nickel plate them all before fitting.
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Post by: K2-K6 on November 12, 2022, 09:53:38 PM
That's what I've done bud, 'nipped with a thumb', and lost the spung diddlies, looked crap and not required, thanks mate.
I do like the sound of "spung diddlies" ;D
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Made a well designed engine stand that, as can be clearly seen,.....took hours to design and build but meant the filter could go on enabling the motor to be ready for the oil coming in the week, to check the delivery to the head. Just the dreaded polishing to do until I get some bits back I've out sourced and some reading to do.
Polishing! :-\
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"HEY DIPSTICK, DID YOU DO THE DIPSTICK"
How's that, better ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Yes, much better............
Oi, SILLY PILLOCK, yes I did..............Ka pow ;) ;D ;D ;D
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on November 13, 2022, 07:05:50 PM
then I realised it's Cling Film.
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Are they copper?
I’ve new o rings on the back of the caps, anything else I’ve missed? Mine came without both washers so have no point of reference(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221113/6b573ace98f922d70309f3ddfcd1e774.jpg)
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Post by: Bryanj on November 14, 2022, 12:08:36 AM
A thick copper will probably do
Post by: Oddjob on November 14, 2022, 12:48:11 AM
I've got both kinds if you need any Roo. I also fit the same type copper washer under every bolt with a number 12 washer under it as well.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on November 14, 2022, 10:12:43 AM
Ken, could you bob some in a bag to suit and fling em in the post mate, that would be extaordinarily useful? ket me know how many camels yuo want and I'll reimburse you .
I'll go with yur advice and do all the ones listed as 12 if you've got enough?
Phil...."I think it involves some machining and the use of an o ring. I’ve not tried the copper washer alternative solution".
What is this weeping problem you talk of???????? :o
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Post by: K2-K6 on November 14, 2022, 10:29:35 AM
Then they'll have the best chance of taking any discrepancy out of the surface to seal it effectively.
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 14, 2022, 10:48:17 AM
Familiar with the heating and qunching but I was under the impression that was for when you reuse copper?
Would I have to reanneal them as they'll be new or are you suggesting doing that as a matter of course?
Post by: Bryanj on November 14, 2022, 10:56:28 AM
Personally after a rebuild i leave the end caps and brackets off until i have spun the engine over enough to see oil come out at both ends, then fit the brackets and covers
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 14, 2022, 11:33:42 AM
Thats the plan Bryan, I'm just making sure I have what I need to get the engine back together after the spin up and just want the right kit as and where required.....as yer do!
. When I saw them I new there should be some form of seal behind etc and remember speaking to you about it earlier in the year mate, washer, there wasnt any on there as I said earlier hence the question. TBH, there wasnt much of anything of any use realistically ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Sesman on November 14, 2022, 12:36:47 PM
Shouldnt need to aneal new washers mate, and the weeping is because oil feed to the cam bearings is via the ends so oil can leak from that bolt.
Personally after a rebuild i leave the end caps and brackets off until i have spun the engine over enough to see oil come out at both ends, then fit the brackets and covers
Good tip.
Post by: Oddjob on November 14, 2022, 01:19:38 PM
I'll dig some out and send them down Roo. No charge. I'll send 3 alloy ones and 10 copper, there is an alloy one on the camchain tensioner upper bolt IIRC so one for there as well. Just need to find them now. Many, many boxes of parts lying about.
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 14, 2022, 01:46:11 PM
Yeah i knew they were handed and my mind refreshed last night cleaning them up. Think I'll bob them into the plate bath with the rest of the hardware I've just cleaned up ready to go in. They're all degreased, just need a final clean up and an etch but other bits being fiddled with before I get to that. just prepping for when the frame comes back then I can get the motor in, swing arm on and the center stand. At least it can be upright and a bit easier to manage in the shed than all over the place in bits. Ive just a tray full to plate up then ;m good to go
I've been round the whole block and covers etc, every hole cleaned and rerun with a tap to get them all super clean but thats another for the memory bank like, cheers ;)
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 17, 2022, 01:57:13 AM
.........Is there one and if so Can anyone suggest what it might be?
I've not stumbled over much about it on the various pages Ive searched, on't net so it hasn't really been on my radar up 'til now. As I've found very little on the subject can I asume it's not really a topic of discusssion as it doesn't have one or am I just hoping.
Has anybody who's built a rear wheel on one of these, enlighten me at all?
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Post by: Laverdaroo on November 17, 2022, 11:12:28 AM
After burning the midnight oil last night, that was the conclusion I came to but there's an awful lot on here to throw you off.
Even Hondaman refers to there being off set on a number of the Honda fleet, so you think, 'ooo', better chase that and of course it comes to nothing but you have to check. What a pain in the ar*e though!
Cheers Bryan, appreciate it mate.
Post by: Oddjob on November 18, 2022, 02:16:59 PM
Thought this might interest you. I'd advice seeing if they have any more next time you're over there before they see what it's worth.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204156719367?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l3160&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=90cafac477e54725baa807080c211eab&bu=43136868494&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20221118070116&segname=11021
Prices are going really silly.
I need a key ordering for my 500, found one, genuine Honda, same key number as mine but the seller won't post to the UK and he doesn't accept messages, if you're going again let me know.
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 18, 2022, 02:21:42 PM
I have loads of these (6) all without the mesh screens but have the rubber seal the mesh sits in intact so could be rebuilt!
That’s bloody silly money!
Where’s this key and I’ll sort it bud…
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Post by: Oddjob on November 18, 2022, 02:28:42 PM
I have an alert set up so when one comes up on Ebay it lets me know, my BIL wanted another as he stood on his, well mine as it my bike but he's sort of adopted it. So I set up the alert in case one turned up.
I'll PM you the details of the Ebay auction it's on, the key number is very rare, this is the first time I've ever seen one, my daughters in NY right now and I asked her to buy it for me but she's not sure if they'd deliver to a hotel and what happens if it's delayed and she's gone home by the time it arrives etc.
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 20, 2022, 10:54:48 AM
No offset on any CB SOHC/4 wheels Roo.
Cheers, didnt think so,a lot of miseading info out there...and from folk who you'd think would know too!
Thanks 8)
Post by: SPR on November 20, 2022, 11:05:54 AM
Someone does the mesh holder on site, 3D printed IIRC. The mesh can be bought off Ebay, get stainless so it doesn't rust.
I have an alert set up so when one comes up on Ebay it lets me know, my BIL wanted another as he stood on his, well mine as it my bike but he's sort of adopted it. So I set up the alert in case one turned up.
I'll PM you the details of the Ebay auction it's on, the key number is very rare, this is the first time I've ever seen one, my daughters in NY right now and I asked her to buy it for me but she's not sure if they'd deliver to a hotel and what happens if it's delayed and she's gone home by the time it arrives etc.
I've a USA forwarding address if you need it
Simon
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 20, 2022, 11:12:12 AM
Also spent a lot of time trying to get the exhaust pipes cleaned up prior to chrome.
Where the bike was parked on its side stand the skyward facing edges of the pipes were heavily pitted and has taken a lot of time to get somewhere near presentable.
4 hours in and a selection of files more commonly used by vets on on horse teeth, bands of abranet on the drill, blisters, blood sweat and Anglo Saxon and they’re not tooooooo bad
I’m not too bothered about the shallower of the little pits as the chromer will sort those I wanted to get the deep pits and rust build up off them and try to get to a better finish once done. Think they’ll be reet but will probably revisit them before they go to get shiny.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221120/baac847989fc765603f9e2a7ecb8a261.jpg)
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Post by: SPR on November 20, 2022, 11:35:21 AM
Simon
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Post by: Laverdaroo on November 20, 2022, 11:42:58 AM
Quietly chuffed, indeed ;D
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 20, 2022, 11:47:11 AM
Nice job on the pipes Roo! Bloody awkward to do too! Great progress.😉
Cheers, arent they just, 1 & 4 are a right sod!
Radio 4 Extra, planet Rock and a packet of digestives liberally dunked in Yorkshire tea at regular intervals turned out to be the correct anesthesia for a job such as this...........the required formula 8)
Post by: Oddjob on November 20, 2022, 02:34:08 PM
Good result though, the better they are going into the chromers the cheaper they charge and the better the end result is in my experience.
Just done a set of handlebars, reasonable amount of pitting, like you get on bars, as you can't seem to find OE bars anymore it's vital we look after the ones still around. They have turned out pretty good, took me some time to do them as you'll have found, steel parts are so much harder to do than the alloy ones.
Getting a few more steel parts ready and then off for a run to the chromers. Grab rail is turning out a real PITA.
I've also got an idea on how to get dents out of the back of fork ear tubes, for some reason they get dented there on a regular basis, even got a NOS with a small dent there. Trying it on a 550F1 ear where it's clearly been in an accident and the bracket part got pushed back and really dented the tube. Gonna see if I can get that out. Will help others if it works I reckon, can't just be me with damage like that.
Keep up the good work.
Post by: Matt_Harrington on November 20, 2022, 03:50:03 PM
Matt
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 20, 2022, 04:51:12 PM
It'll still be around the £250 mark I should think. If so, this will be the 3rd most expensive exhaust I've ever bought .....in 35 years;D topped only by a full system bought for my old ZX7R at just over a grande! :o ???
Saying that I'msetting about the VFR thios winter and that needs a full system!...........thats going to be an ouch moment I know it ;D ;D
pipes, £53+ p&p
Sanding materials £30
Chroming £250ish
Supertrapp end can $200
blasting and dechroming £20 and a jar of coffee and a box of Yorkshire tea
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 20, 2022, 04:52:53 PM
Someone does the mesh holder on site, 3D printed IIRC. The mesh can be bought off Ebay, get stainless so it doesn't rust.
I have an alert set up so when one comes up on Ebay it lets me know, my BIL wanted another as he stood on his, well mine as it my bike but he's sort of adopted it. So I set up the alert in case one turned up.
I'll PM you the details of the Ebay auction it's on, the key number is very rare, this is the first time I've ever seen one, my daughters in NY right now and I asked her to buy it for me but she's not sure if they'd deliver to a hotel and what happens if it's delayed and she's gone home by the time it arrives etc.
Ordered but thanks on Ken's behalf Sy
8)
I've a USA forwarding address if you need it
Simon
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 20, 2022, 04:57:30 PM
I'd be interested in hearing about that Ken...........We'll be calling you Mr Dentmaster before long! ;D
Post by: Oddjob on November 20, 2022, 05:58:33 PM
Rotor cover coming on, sanded down to 400 now. Just got 800 and then 1000 and that will do I reckon. Looking at it I'd say it will be a fantastic finish when polished, as good as chrome I reckon.
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 20, 2022, 06:33:00 PM
Back in the shed of dreams in a bit to carry out round two of the great exhaust cleaning saga! :-\
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 20, 2022, 08:08:22 PM
As a sideline, can anyone confirm this is bolt ID number 13 on the fiche, lost the bag it was in, it measures 32mm?
I’ve three shouldered ones here.
So,
1 for the rear brake arm/hub
1 for the side stand
The knackered one for the front of the brake arm.
Which is which for the other two. I’ve no kick start, stand or anything here at the min, it’s all out at my pals so I could use his kit for a bit of a change of scenery and I’ve my lump here and don’t want it covered in metal filing and polishing this kit I’m on with!
Needles to say, I’m not there I’m at home tonight so can’t check.
Just want them labelled up and sorted as I need o get them off to max for replacements to be fettled in stainless……….cos I’m a tart
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I have a feeling in me water that the bigger one is for the kickstand and the smaller for the other end of the torque arm but happy to be corrected.
Just boggling me as I hate loose parts floating about. I’ve got everything sorted bar these two bolts and it’s proper ‘twining’ me
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Post by: Oddjob on November 20, 2022, 08:31:42 PM
I may ask Max to make me a side stand bolt for mine but slightly different, you may want to hang on and see what it looks like before buying one.
Post by: Bryanj on November 20, 2022, 08:40:51 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 21, 2022, 12:14:26 AM
Im sending them over to Max anyway to measure up so I'll get back exactly what I send, his stuffs ace. I was purely trying to get my listigs right to reduce the ferreting about. I spend more time looking for stuff than doing stuff. The shed's too full!!!
Its my own fault but the planned extension will solve it. In the meantime.........just trying to be as organised as possible!
I'll get round my pal's in the weekand solve my brain worm and attack of OCD over the weekend ;D
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 24, 2022, 05:26:10 PM
could anybody confirm the width of the rear mudguard on a 500T? I'll bob it on that page also before anyone mentions it.
You'll remember, I got a near mint rear mudguard from grovelling around that scrappers in the US...
It appears the rear mudguard I salvaged from said scrappers, that was lost in my bag for 6 weeks, ......which I finally got back from the airport, .......that I worked on for two days so it fitted the rear subframe and its modifications,......... and then gave to the chromers to re chrome..................has been lost!......But apparently after taking so much care of it, I lost it walking from my car to the chromers front door!!!
The lady states she remembers the conversation we had about it whilst we were looking at it in the reception and mentioning about the freshly filed edges needing a bit more 'oomph' by the polisher, but because nobady wrote it on the paperwoprk as a list item, they've not had it nor never seen it!! If it wasnt written down they havent had it. FACT!
Apparently after driving to drop all the bits off to them, (24miles each way), we had a chat about it and I took it home with me! Not sure why I would do that after waiting to finish fitting it to the frame and cutting it to suit before I took it with the rest of the parts is apparently fiction. So I drove all that way, took everything and although WANTED it chroming, brought it home to take down another day?
This was three days before going back to the states for the 2nd time expecting it all to be done when I came back so I had loads of time to make multiple trips,obviously!
The manager then came on as this lady stated that the reason nobody there had rung me back is because her daughter has just had a very difficult birth and theres been other things on her mind while she was off. OK, so does nobody else work there or just her, it was ten days ago I enquired as to it's whereabouts........she didnt like that so this plillockcalled Nick took the call and moaned about me losing it between my car boot and their front door, I kid you not.........at which point 'the can' was open!
For a start they had to do pieces twice..)which I have since taken elseware to be done properly) when theydid have a go for the 2nd time, there was no change and more marks. The mudguard on the other hand, they relinqish all responsibility of ever seeing it although it was handled by them in front of me. Beacause its not on the paperwork you see............WTF!!!!!
No apology for bad work, no apology for fleecing me nearly a grand and then get shirty when I take my exhausts back off them as i dont want those ham fisted idiots who work there touching them now Ive seen what they can do.........or cant!
Its my fault for not thinking their work is good and its my fault that I have lost my mudguard in between pont A and poiint B which is nearly, wow, 30 feet!
So in my first rant about the shocking Chroming and polishing I mentioned I wouldnt say the company in question as its bad form. After today, sod that,.................................
if you ever need anything worked on PLEASE PLEASE DONT take it to DOUG TAYLOR Platers and Metal Finishers, Western Supermare, what a bunch or utter, utter lying ars*holes........I now have to source a new rear mudguard, work on it, have it drilled and fit it to a newly painted frame back from the painters without scratching it.
More cost,more time, more backtracking.
I was going to keep this one but I think It's going to be sold the minute its finished, I've had enough of this bike now, its fought me every step of the way, I'm looking forward to seeing it together with its new paint etc but not as much as I will be see it gone, the love's gone sadly.
Super fed up, and indeed................Hurrumph! :'(
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Post by: Matt_Harrington on November 24, 2022, 06:24:16 PM
Matt
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Post by: Laverdaroo on November 26, 2022, 04:43:53 PM
Bloody 'ell Roo - I feel for you. I suggest an evening in the pub!
Matt
I dont go to the pub anymore, diabetic and its too expensive so gave it up! My mrs is the assistant manager of onbe and I only live 75 yards from the village watering hole, cant remember when I went last time!
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 26, 2022, 04:45:20 PM
Try tearing their hair out…😀
F*ck em! :-[
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Post by: Rozabikes Tim on November 26, 2022, 05:38:53 PM
….and the horse they rode in on. 😉
And with the wrong end of a ragman's trumpet. :o
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 26, 2022, 06:10:00 PM
….and the horse they rode in on. 😉
And with the wrong end of a ragman's trumpet. :o
'S' is for 'Sideways!
I have never had such a 'rear up' with a supplier over awful service...................I'm still spitting bullets and very much seethingseething! :-X
I had all that faff with getting it here and about 7 bours in it fettling, to fit how I wanted!
In the wordsof Hugh Laurie in Black Adder..........,"I shall have my rewengi" ???
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on November 26, 2022, 06:43:48 PM
….and the horse they rode in on. 😉
And with the wrong end of a ragman's trumpet. :o
'S' is for 'Sideways!
I have never had such a 'rear up' with a supplier over awful service...................I'm still spitting bullets and very much seethingseething! :-X
I had all that faff with getting it here and about 7 bours in it fettling, to fit how I wanted!
In the wordsof Hugh Laurie in Black Adder..........,"I shall have my rewengi" ???
Perhaps we will know when by "the look on their long faeces"
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 26, 2022, 06:55:24 PM
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https://youtu.be/LC_6DA1vki4
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 27, 2022, 10:16:49 AM
The chromer bloke I’ve been put into via a vintage car specialist says he’ll need them apart to get them to chrome up properly.
I don’t want lack, they’ve GOT to be chrome so this is the next conundrum to sort.
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Post by: Oddjob on November 27, 2022, 02:48:02 PM
One thing you may have considered but decided against because your not sure how it would look but I had a set of 1300 headers done in CermaKrome a few years ago and they were all in one piece like yours, looked like this at the end.
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Not as bright as chrome but no rusting afterwards and extremely durable. Still in perfect nick when the bike got written off, I'd have salvaged the exhaust headers but one pipe got crushed.
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 27, 2022, 02:55:44 PM
I’d be up for that cos I really don’t want to faff with these and potentially knacker them. That sounds a much better option!
Got any deets of who and what etc
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Post by: Oddjob on November 27, 2022, 03:08:35 PM
Maybe pop into your local ceramic coater and see if they have any samples of how it looks, it's not a dull finish but not as bright as chrome but I'd say unless you stood right by the bike you'd not notice the difference.
Same pipes, about 18 months later, taken in December after running the bike through the winter, the dull coating is road dirt, this was taken when the bike was recovered after the accident. Bike hadn't been cleaned for weeks. The inner pipe shows the finish better as I think someone cleaned some dirt off it when moving the bike.
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I shall report back..................
Post by: Matt_Harrington on November 28, 2022, 10:46:27 AM
Matt
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Post by: Oddjob on November 28, 2022, 02:18:01 PM
They reckon when it starts to dull just rub with some wire wool and solvol and it brightens it back up. Never had to do that but that's what they say.
Post by: Matt_Harrington on November 28, 2022, 02:22:47 PM
I’m impressed Matt, call to Nathan later me thinks…..
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Indeed! Be interesting if he can do it.
Matt
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 28, 2022, 06:56:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSADRXo07EM
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 28, 2022, 09:03:42 PM
Got the rims back from cluster f*ck & Sh*tstorm Ltd, Western Supermud, which, in all fairness, they’re shiny…………. but still not fab as was expecting!
The more pressing matter was that I did’t measure them before sending them off. You see, they’re a lovely shape and I really dig the style and they’re period Akront’s (Sp.) and really wanted to use them as they look bloody ace but after lacing the front, I thought “summits not right here”.
The front should be a 3.25 x 19
The rear should be a 3.75 x 18
What I’ve got are
2.75 x 20 front
3.00 x 19 rear FFS!
School boy error, too excited by the cool shape and didn’t think to measure them! Only twigged when the spokes wouldn’t fit!
So option-one would be to get them laced up and have it steer dead slow and probably handle like a jellyfish on roller skates,which would be the cheapest option as I’d only have to buy another set of spokes and see if ‘Uncle David’ will give me a credit note? But it’ll ride horrible.
Or
Find some correct rims, new spokes etc. at even more cost!
Bear in mind I’ve bought new spokes nipples(
) and paid to have them polished so I’m quite deep into this money wise now….What do we think???
The handling thing is my main concern obviously
I know it’s my fault for not chucking a tape at them but I’ve never had a build go this awkwardly! Was really looking forward to doing the wheels as well.
It’s the problem when you strip and try to build a bitsa I suppose, that and me being a Hampton!
Not enjoying this as much as I used to, ………. Only myself to beat up, my fault, ‘you dick’ etc. Tempted to get the rods out for a couple of weeks and see if I can scare some fish into submission instead!
Probably cheaper!
But an equally poor result I should think
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Post by: Sesman on November 28, 2022, 09:36:49 PM
Post by: Sesman on November 28, 2022, 09:44:05 PM
as the Akronts are the business. I’d favour shifting the Rims to the British crowd. Tricky one this…
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 28, 2022, 10:13:30 PM
Oh, yes.some nice trinkets there. Like the flanged alloys.
Having looked at a few On't 'Weave', I think theyre supposed to be on a Guzzi of some sort similar to the Boranni Record ones on flea bay. The chap's in Italy so already I'm not keen but looking at his shop, he has the sizes I need and the profile is the same as these so there's one lead to cautiously follow. I'm gonna get some rims and respoke the lot. I LOVE these as well, they're really the part but I'm not keen on a 20" front.............On a 'Translap' or XL but not on this.
Bit annoyed!
I shoud have packed it in when the frame went walkies ;D ;D ;D
More cash to find.........bugger >:( :o ::) ;)
Finished the motor yesterday which is why I dug the rims out, all happy and buzzed up. Then.............aaaaaahh, sod it ::)
I've only the static timing to do and the valves etc to set and she's ready to go. I'll re synch the carbs again on the bench and run a bit of juice through them nearer the time. I only put them on for a quick look.....like yer do. Over a coffee and a tab 8)
Oil went in yesterday and through a few texts to Ken, discussing the finer points of amounts to be expected at the head and rates of flow whilst winding the starter etc and a clean bill of health brought a small win and a small smerk
Top on, bolts all in the right holes and the right colour,..... I think, bar one and I thought I'd just poke the carbs on for a bit of a gloat. Think it looks alright actually, it'll be better in the frame when I eventally get it back from the PC's (shiny black before you start....or it might be beige, cant remember ;)) and not so pale although the top lamps in the 'Shed of Dreams'
dont do camera phones that well.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on November 28, 2022, 10:40:44 PM
They look a bit yellow there but it’s the seductive kitchen lighting she insists on!
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Post by: Sesman on November 29, 2022, 08:02:50 AM
Post by: Matt_Harrington on November 29, 2022, 09:43:47 AM
Matt
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 29, 2022, 11:19:41 AM
Quite chuffed though.
I’ve got a tank Phil, just saw that last night whilst looking at rims………..eBay worm hole
Just thought it was quite good value with all the lock intact etc. my tanks at the body shop getting de dented
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Post by: Sesman on November 29, 2022, 01:00:24 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 29, 2022, 02:05:17 PM
There are no tabs left on my tank so having it filled in and painted over. The badges are indeed getting stuck on, probably with gaffs tape and expanding foam more than likely
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Post by: Oddjob on November 29, 2022, 08:13:34 PM
https://www.central-wheel.co.uk/catalog/product/view/id/889/s/velocette-non-valanced-alloy-rim/
I'd advise a 2.15 rear rim size.
https://www.central-wheel.co.uk/polished-non-valanced-alloy-rim-honda-all-models.html
BTW, the sizes you stated in your first post on the subject were the tyre sizes not the rims sizes. AFAIR they are 1.85 as standard. The 750 got 1.85 front but a 2.15 rear. I fitted 2.15 front and rear and found that perfect for my style of riding, the larger section rim means you can use slightly bigger section tyres without suffering from the rim creep you get by retaining the standard rim sizes. As most of my riding was hanging off the side of the bike around corners the larger section tyres were ideal.
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 29, 2022, 09:03:37 PM
why they cant just say 180x55, 17 or similar god only knows.
Not keen on the vellocette ones as they arent valanced, If I have to shell out otll be these but only at a push.......the dear ones ;D
https://www.central-wheel.co.uk/honda-excel-valanced-rim.html
Post by: Oddjob on November 29, 2022, 11:48:02 PM
The rims must match the tyres, you need a bigger width or section rim in order to properly support a wider tyre. The max tyre width they recommended for the standard 1.85 width rim was around 4.10 and even that was considered to be pushing it, some would say 3.60. I used to run a 4.25/85 x 18 tyre on a standard 1.85 rear rim and it was ok but when fully banked over the tyre used to flex upwards as the tyre moved because the rim wasn't really wide enough. When I fitted the Lester mag wheels they were both 2.15 and I was fine to run a 4.10 front and my favourite 4.25/85 rear. They were great and I was able to get insane angles of bank, which was just what I was after then as I was proddie racing the 500 back then.
If like me then your an edge of the tyre merchant and corners are what you live for then get wider rims.
Post by: Sesman on November 30, 2022, 08:08:28 AM
Post by: Oddjob on November 30, 2022, 02:33:54 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on November 30, 2022, 02:40:43 PM
Just measured my Lester rims width Roo. From edge to edge they are exactly 70mm. That's the outside edge not the inside. At the bottom of the trough? it looks to be 2 1/4 inches. Does that help identify your existing rims?Cheers Phil and yes that might Ken, I’m in there tonight as the LHG is working til midnight so I get a pass to bugger about outside
First task is to get on those rims so I’ll pop a moan up later
Cheers pal you’re a good un
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Post by: Oddjob on November 30, 2022, 03:26:09 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255844538448?epid=17017083962&hash=item3b9185d850:g:wi0AAOSwgiRZ3JBW&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoJC4lawGEO0fOSCa%2B%2Be1HvYH%2F8uyvKdJe6QJwq609ISJwDLOACTRv2wztRODluVXOBwqj01eCOoIafOPULuEEHZi7i181eBKW00Lfy%2FMWyYF7wIsBcn6r3d8Be3d6cvfSQZfwssFAsOOqSdN0DW%2Bm7OBrIkKyXLMOhM%2FOR4klyqJHkLhG%2FS%2FiHZvROnQFQ%2FEJQC0DxmMHiJFzvGAPqYmi%2BQ%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9SenZKZYQ
And this. Hubs no good, only 5 holes for disc.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334646460901?hash=item4dea7bc1e5:g:YygAAOSwxEFjhgnM&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoBBUMl5LGQK7aD2ywEptoxMggJc23%2FmhlrA8k76Cdi6AUm%2BJIoovdhKcJbKgYLecsqFogeQLfMRwfOnHekRDbtazHEW583Eq6Z8I3QLOt0HflUzqXF%2FlhzO3ic4VHKjesE30Rab%2BceLfxCLODtU9vwlPrZKS9iw7qj5RmPxquUPl28Id6%2FNogpSiZmH8w8RRfSW3qvJFv1FrUDJNBlSL4Z4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6L2gpKZYQ
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Post by: Laverdaroo on November 30, 2022, 10:11:35 PM
Just measured my Lester rims width Roo. From edge to edge they are exactly 70mm. That's the outside edge not the inside. At the bottom of the trough? it looks to be 2 1/4 inches. Does that help identify your existing rims?I’ve been out in the burrow to see if there’s any marks on them and there’s absolutely nothing. I was measuring the outside of the rim like a gimp so foisted over a load of gumf to you lot, I’m not sure what’s going on at the min my thinking has totally gone west. I’m doing it at work as well, just doing stuff that needs doing later not first in the machine meaning I have to do it twice as a result, yer know……rookie stuff, I think I’m going nuts. I think it’s summing to do with being in a considerable amount of pain with my knackered hip and torn shoulder, it’s keeping me up at the min………speacialist next week for a scan hopefully!
The result of an 80mph get off after a monster slapper changing lanes and dropping into a lorry groove on a French motorway in 2018.
Anyway enough of my ailment ridden excuse for a carcass.
As mentioned there’s no marks at all so I’ve taken some proper pictures this time for your
inspections ‘unt’ comments
And so…..front then back???
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Post by: Laverdaroo on November 30, 2022, 10:13:26 PM
For bottom of trough measurements as you mention Ken…..
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Post by: Oddjob on November 30, 2022, 10:52:40 PM
I can see the rim stamped with 40, which clearly means 40 spoke version, you sure there's nothing else stamped on the rim, most likely it the same sort of place.
They look like an 18 and a 19 to me. Most likely 1.85 rim size.
Finally got back in the garage after a week or so off.
Did your collets, just tidying em up ready to be done, need to be polished next.
Before.
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After.
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Post by: Oddjob on November 30, 2022, 10:54:22 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 01, 2022, 11:20:10 AM
There’s deffo nothing else on em I’ll measure again tonight when I get in.
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Post by: K2-K6 on December 01, 2022, 11:53:58 AM
Prime with etch, then something like gloss grey to give neutral finish.
Post by: Oddjob on December 01, 2022, 12:00:22 PM
Post by: Oddjob on December 01, 2022, 03:26:14 PM
If you still have the old steel rims you could try this. Place upright on a flat surface, get a small spirit level and place it on the highest point of the spoke hole, across the wheel, level the bubble and measure what the distance is from the lower edge to the flat surface. Do the same with the new alloy rims, the difference is how much shorter the new spokes should be.
You could also try lacing the front wheel with the rear wheel spokes, as they are 1" shorter they may fit. If they do at least you only need to buy or alter one set of spokes, depends on how much shorter they have to be.
You could also re-thread the spokes yourself, find out the size and pitch and just run the thread down the spoke more, cut off any excess spoke after fitting and trueing etc.
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 01, 2022, 07:16:17 PM
That’s the problem……..
I’ve not measured wheels of this dirt before and never had anything to do with spiked wheels before re-lacing the 400, they were standard though so it was an easy search, buy and re-lace.
Apart from that faint 40 which as you say is for the number of spokes…..there are NO MARKS ON THESE AT ALL!
Two more photos front first and then the rear. Basically they are not right so I’ll have to get some more I reckon, serves me right for not doing my homework.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on December 01, 2022, 07:31:54 PM
I'd be very tempted to paint those rim interior areas to prevent further corrosion. There appears to be some occlusion in corrosion areas too. Worthwhile carefully inspecting after building for any disturbance around the spoke Wells to make sure non have been affected and will subsequently hold good tension.
Prime with etch, then something like gloss grey to give neutral finish.
I very much doubt they'll get used in all honesty as they're not right and looking back at the picture of the bike when I bought it I remember saying the wheels were odd and the bike sat funny, see for yourself. I think its gong to be a remortgage and a new set of rims tbh! A real shame as I really like these they look fantastic!
I wanted it rolling before crimbo so I could get the VFR on the ramp to get the back end swapped but it looks like another couple of evenings grovelling on the floor to do it as this isn't going to get done for ages now I think and without the rims I cant move it.
Least it gives me a bit of time to try and sort some replacements, and save up! :-[ :-\....
See what I mean?..............
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Post by: Oddjob on December 01, 2022, 11:03:12 PM
Looking at the pics of the bike the problem seems to be the front forks are not the correct length, far too much of the stanchion showing between the top of the fork slider and the bottom yoke, it makes the bike look hump backed, the back looks fine TBH although I also suspect the rear shocks are over long, it's probably why the side stand is too short, elevated by the forks at the front and the rear shocks at the back. Must a been a doddle to put on the main stand as it would hardly need to lift the bike if at all.
Looking at the width of 70mm from side to side, not 2.15 rims as those are 90mm, I'll see if I can find an original rim from somewhere, I had a few but threw them away, I suspect they are 1.85. Anyone with a set of original rims should be able to give you a definitive side to side measurement, must be loads of members with bare rims lying around.
I appreciate you're having a hard time at the moment but take a moment, look at the problem, don't let it defeat you, work out what's wrong and fix it, if you can't think of a solution, explain what's wrong in detail and I'm 100% sure someone on here will have the answer, it's why we are all here, to help others get their bikes on the road and keep them there.
Post by: K2-K6 on December 02, 2022, 08:16:42 AM
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Your rear could be a WM3 on that illustration.
I though the rim profiles were standard in WM designated elements, even with the large external wall flanges on that type. The spojes can still be positioned in tbe same place to use normal length spokes.
Worth check the spokes you have against std length. Diameter of rim across nipple seats for this against std. Possibly loosely build wheel with nipples all turned to be flat with spoke ends to define if and by how much the length is out.
http://www.luytenimport.be/lsp-rims-morad-alloy some more info here, interesting that they appear to have bought Akront kit to produce these now in Spain.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 02, 2022, 08:31:57 AM
FWIW Roo I've found taking a break - just spending a few days leaving the bike alone or just doing something else that is easy helps.
Have you a spare wheel(s) that you can fit in place to move the bike around even if its not the correct one - then sort out the VFR?
Post by: Matt_Harrington on December 02, 2022, 01:10:23 PM
Matt
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 05, 2022, 02:01:17 PM
With the fork debacle that’s an extra 450 quid I’ve had to find and the spokes are a hundred a set so £600 ish all in, plus a new brake arm once found.
Bloody expensive this isn’t it
Docs on Wednesday to see the specialist, going for a double whammy of new teeth and my shoulder muscle sewn back on before March.
Fingers crossed!
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Post by: Oddjob on December 05, 2022, 03:25:31 PM
Sell the newly chromed one and it should easily pay for the replacement.
You still haven't described why the rims won't fit Grasshopper.
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 05, 2022, 08:52:27 PM
The fact that they’re too thin also has lead me to price up some shiny new ones. I don’t want of rims on it as nice as they are. They’re not the right size for the bike so I’m not using them. I’d rather struggle getting it set up on the right rims and geometry etc than piss about making allowance for this as a result of that and so on.
This is what I e found (under suggestion by you on widths)…….
They’re not over cheap in the grand scheme of things but a necessity for this build. It’d be like buying a Rolls Royce and fitting escort rims to it. Nope, sod the cash, you never know I might fall back in love with it again. Even after it’s kicked my arse so much this last 8 weeks………bloody thing she is
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I’ve always ordered spare parts in advance of the next job and it was the same in this instance, however if you fail to check the rim size and width before you start it can really stuff you up!
Anyway, going to press fire on the parts cannon and get them as they’re absolutely spot on in terms of looks. I’m going to have a good clear out of bits over crimbo and get a list organised, that will pay for the extra dosh for the spokes
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Post by: Oddjob on December 05, 2022, 10:40:29 PM
The new rims are nice, maybe the spokes you've already bought will fit them?
Oh and it was me saying you're being negative, it was a comment to say, don't look on the dark side, look at what you need to fix the problem, look at it as an opportunity, a chance to shine, to show that you're not defeated by a little set back. The initial post really did read like you'd been defeated by the problem and started to give up, that would be a shame and not the person I think you are.
Chin up mate.
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I’m impressed Matt, call to Nathan later me thinks…..
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Indeed! Be interesting if he can do it.
Matt
Sadly Matt Nathan is having 'chipping' issues after polishong so hasn't quite cracked the process and is experimenting further but had a good chat with the chap recommended at CAMCOAT, what a cool bloke, super helpful!
Sent me links to process, examples of work hes done etc and was cool to collect them and everything so I'm hopefully sorting them out next week and getting them sent off. £260 plus the Vodka & Tonic. Cheaper than chrome and better than the billion hours of 'mental white noise' sanding them down.....(if there was enough metal left), in a cold shed 8)
Didnt think that was too out of sorts and the results and process look fantastic. I shall report the results up on here but liking this aready tbh.
Cheers Ken, top lead and a 'reet problem fettler' that is.
As ever, you ledge ;)
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 16, 2022, 10:17:43 PM
Crimbo dec’s being put to good use too
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Post by: Laverdaroo on December 17, 2022, 09:43:45 AM
Looks like a cbr600 mc, same as used on my cb1300, I’m also fitting the same except I’ll be trying to fit a matching clutch mc as well if I can figure out the way to convert the 500 to an hydraulic clutch. You may find that any brake fluid leakage will peel that paint off which is why I’m having mine ceramic coated in satin black. I’ve got some spare sight glass windows if you need one Roo. Just use a small screwdriver and drill it through the glass and lever it out. You can also buy the lever pivot pin in stainless if you look around. I even got custom made covers for the top with 500 four engraved on them.
That would be cool Ken, cheers. Yeah they’re offa 93-97 cbr6
I’ve not had any issue with brake fluid stripping paint in about 20 years of painting these on and off for various repairs, tart ups and crash damage. It’s calliper paint and I’ll hit it with 2 pack gloss lacquer when they’ve dried for a bit. They usually come out looking good and with fair durability too.
The coffee jar with the budget in has had a hit because of the rims so reigning in a bit and making do. Just means a bit more nannying.
SLR front cal for a pall a few years ago now like but looked fair to say it was slid down the road at 45mph
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Post by: K2-K6 on December 17, 2022, 12:12:06 PM
Looks like a cbr600 mc, same as used on my cb1300, I’m also fitting the same except I’ll be trying to fit a matching clutch mc as well if I can figure out the way to convert the 500 to an hydraulic clutch.
If you'd like any suggestions to go with this I've a few ideas Ken.
Something like this uses piston and seal that could be used as slave for clutch system
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They are mtb caliper but easily available seals usually and using conventional brake fluid. Possible to get a cylinder designed and machined from alloy bar that would just sit in place of 500 mechanism to push clutch rod. Obviously hydraulic feed through cable hole in casing, could either bleed with cover off or put a "chimney" bleed back up out of case to facilitate.
Post by: K2-K6 on December 17, 2022, 12:22:47 PM
There's long history via Citroën system though with their LHM (liquid hydraulic mineral ) systems routinely used for both suspension and brakes. Many European original power steering system/pumps also mineral oil specific too. Easy to get oil for them.
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 17, 2022, 01:33:45 PM
While I'm on, could anybody recommend a shop that might want to work on my tan and get these dents out? Ive taken it to three different places and all have nung onto it, decided they dont want to do it and then not ring me. Just been to collect it for the third time anfd running oit of options really down here.
I really wan to take it to somewhere where they do this sort of thing rather than a body shop that deals with cars as they simply cant do it. I just want the dent out, the painter said he would nanny it up pre paint ans was under the impression that a slide hammerf and some tacked on rods th grip would be the way forward but two places have said that they need to patch it or cut bits out!......................I dont bloody think so!
Any help gratefully logged and acted on if poss,
Thanks all.
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Post by: K2-K6 on December 17, 2022, 01:45:54 PM
I've seen them getting some very restricted dents out of door panels and rear wing sections with extremely limited access, usually they're mobile operators that may give you a look-see to assess.
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 17, 2022, 01:56:02 PM
If I cant find anybody I'll drill it and put some self tappers in and pull it myself. Im sure they can be brased up afterwards to get it sealed again and just found a wicked chap in Brizzle that can brase like a pro so Icoud take it to him. A little bit dissapointing but there must be someone that does this sort of thing. Thought it prudent to ask on here, you never know, somebody might have had a good experience with someone tucked away up an ally or something somewhere.
Not that sort of experience up an ally, Phil!! (sesman) ;) ;D
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How are the hooves, you Irish dancing and back at your Zumba classs yet?
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Post by: Oddjob on December 17, 2022, 02:45:45 PM
I'll find a spare sight glass and send it down after Xmas Roo, might get lost by or lovely PO the way they are at the moment.
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Post by: K2-K6 on December 17, 2022, 04:06:48 PM
Already got the slave cylinder I'm planning on using. It's a lot smaller than that pictured and already satin black, also found a longer pushrod as well in case I need to extend the current one. All I need to figure out is how to mount the slave cylinder, the bike it comes off uses a thick metal bracket hiding under the sprocket cover, it's adapting that to fit the 500 that's proving a problem, saying that until I get the engine round to my garage I don't really know how I'll do it. It may turn out to be incredibly easy in the end. I haven't worked out whether to use the existing 500 sprocket cover or use the 550 one that doesn't have the clutch push rod mechanism in it. The problem with the 550 one is getting the hydraulic line in without cutting a hole in the cover.
I was thinking more along the lines of using a hope piston and seal kit only, then getting a simple cylinder turned out of billet alloy that would sit into the original Honda casting (where the clutch lifter sits) with the hose going out through the original cable hole. It would just be a concentric cylinder, maybe a tab to stop it turning, that would replace original cable lift mech and you wouldn't know it's there.
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Post by: K2-K6 on December 17, 2022, 07:54:13 PM
Hope items to be clear, I've used those as impetus as you can usually buy replacement piston and seal kits that could be useful and from 14mm up to about 25mm in different bore sizes that could impact design.
They use fluid entrypoint close to face of piston (brake pad location) with a diagonal drilling that passes to rear of a blind bore chamber rather than being restricted to entry at any particular point, this may facilitate hydraulic through original cable route with no modifications as they also go into the caliper with banjo or straight thread coupling. So it's the design detail that looks interesting.
Hope are recognised for the ease of spares supply and should make it easy to use any component if suitable.
Roo, we currently have a few different types on DH bikes, like these monobloc six titanium piston calipers
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For those that haven't seen them, or their scale, they'll fit into the palm of your hand easily. Beautifully made and designed.
Post by: Oddjob on December 17, 2022, 08:39:32 PM
I've got a spare lower part of the L/H switchgear which I've ground off the cable and lever bracket, so as to accommodate the clutch master cylinder, that's if I get solve the problem of course. The MC already has a mirror mount on it so that's another bonus as it sits the mirrors higher so you avoid the elbow view. Also has a starter switch. Both my MCs are apart ATM as they'll be ceramic coated in satin black. Hence why I bought spare sight windows, plus they are a matching pair so another bonus. I do have a spare clutch MC if you ever need one to match the brake MC.
Post by: amx1992 on December 18, 2022, 05:44:34 PM
I've just mocked it up so you can see roughly how it looked
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Post by: Laverdaroo on December 18, 2022, 08:18:57 PM
thanks all
Post by: K2-K6 on December 18, 2022, 08:23:09 PM
Yes you'd certainly get a potent ratio with that bore size, think you're right at 10mm or they may be 10.5mm. Probably from a mc like this one
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Same concept by pulling but using a piston and seal from a caliper at 15mm (still with mc shaft seal though) and perhaps a coil spring in blind end of cylinder to help return piston and avoid holding force against clutch could be a development step.
Post by: K2-K6 on December 19, 2022, 08:55:13 AM
You'll likely need the bigger sized piston if going straight to the clutch push rod as it will delete those leverage elements built in above.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on December 22, 2022, 12:28:28 PM
Well, proper chuffed with that!
It’s come out really nicely
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Thought you were going for nut brown?????? I know you steered Ted away from it just so you could be the first :D :D :D :D
I actually asked for beige! ;D
New levers came today, adjustable for length, span and the move up and pivot rahher than snapping. I had them made by a pal abroad..really rather impressed TBH The wheel rims and spokes came as well via Parcelfarce. I asked to have them delivered to the PO in the village as I wouldnt be in so of course when I came home they were on the door step in the street being splashed by the tractors.......... surrounded by idiots! ;D ;D ;D
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 22, 2022, 06:47:32 PM
I knew I should have stuck to the colour that dare not speak its name " tun nworb" ;D ;D ;D
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You know the rules, you cannot mention the 'Voldemort' colour, Oddjob will be chastised later as per Coucil Brown, rulings statute 7b, fig 2.6. ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 26, 2022, 01:15:49 AM
Set the valves, drained the oil out, got ‘sammed up’ and managed to bob the engine in on me own without so much as a mere graze of the frame.
Chuffed with that.
I fitted on as much as I could whilst stopping for some snap at about 6pm but had a great day. Loads done and back on it tomorrow
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Are you using a 16" rear wheel as, i see you have gone for a flat hoop ?
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Increase the shock length over 340mm and it effects the handling while braking into corners ( the rear end tries to over take the front ) and the drive chain angle had changed that much that it was cutting in to the swinging arm.
The only way i found it to work was, a kick up hoop to give that extra 25mm of travel with 335mm shocks.
I am surprised that it worked for you on a road test. What length shocks are you using ?
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 26, 2022, 12:13:15 PM
I’m hopeful I’ve done my maths right but this build hasn’t half been a bugger so there’s time yet for a catastraf*ck of a scenario to pop up and wee up me leg
Lacking a swing arm pivot bolt at the min as I had to cut the arm off the old frame and sacrifice it to save the arm, there’s one left at CMSNL but reluctant to spend £44 plus the dreaded vodka and tonic plus import duty. Hoping somebody on here might have a spare lurking under the bench somewhere!
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 26, 2022, 03:17:01 PM
I just taped a temporary rubber stop on the stand to prevent any damage until the silencer is in place.
FWIW on my 500 I could mount the brake pivot in place with the swing arm & shockers in position unlike the 400 where it had to be fitted beforehand.
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 26, 2022, 04:59:37 PM
That’s good to know cheers Ted, I knew I’d read summut about brake arm in first or you can’t with the arm in but you’ve reminded me that that was on the 400. Nice one mate. You get the boiler sorted or are you still huddled round a pile of burning books in the conservatory
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We've managed to keep the house reasonably warm hopfully it will be sorted tomorrow - just to make life easy my Jeep battery died a couple of days ago - the battery was two months out of its 4 year warranty - after two days on charge it's only 12.2 volts - replacement on its way from Tanya Batteries.
If it comes in threes we have one more thing to pack up before 2023. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 26, 2022, 06:56:24 PM
Just make sure its not you Ted!
I plan to wake up with a pulse for a while yet but I guess that's down to a higher manufacturer than Honda or Jeep.
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 26, 2022, 07:35:26 PM
Certainly a higher authority. How’s the build coming on Ted. Not see a post for a while.Cold weather has slowed me down to a snail pace - presently just tinkering - I've replaced various plastic block connectors with Kojaycat ones. Done stuff not worthy of a post like cleaning the top column nut with Evaporust as the threads were slightly rusty. I need to finish polishing the fork legs but just too dam cold. Can't heat the garage with the tower heater as that's heating the Hall/Staircase/ Landing until the CH is sorted.
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not written anything for a while as I've been up to my neck at work during the day and not had much free time.
Anyway, since the engine went in on christmas day I've done odds and sods and slowly got as much on the bike as I can to keep it rolling although at pottering speed ;) :)
The electric tray is on, new reg rec, Munit, starter sol etc, headstock bearings in, fork tops on and set to what's available in terms of room, time will see if I have to try something else but for the min, the front end is firm but not 'crashy and bangy' like it gets when there's too much pre load. Besides you cant tell withought riding it, After fitting them I soon realised that heres no enough room, to the bottom of the bars, for the tops to offer their full range of preload capability. So far they are wound down to just 1 and a half bars on the rising centre and there's half a mm to spare before they touch the bars. Bit of a bugger but I'm going to wait to get it all on there and some juice in it to see what effect that has had on the front. I may still have a smidge of adjustment on the forks and the bars but it's hard to judge when you're balancing on a bike lift that's on a sheet ofply in a wooden floored shed! You're only 6" up but you can feel the flex in the floor and it doesn't half make you nip up so I'll wait until she's down and see what's occuring
Fuddled about with the fork ears to get them on which worked a treat as I had to pass wires through for the new indicators and bugger about a bit. All went well until I realised I hadn't taken the gaters off the front.............(Cheers Ken) ::)
Anyway, they're off and away in the 'to sell' pile and anything else thats in the parts box that didn't need taking off again to fit something else later on, has been put on so it's starting to look like a bike again, just a proper one, not the heap that I bought!
I've rebuilt the front master cylinder I bought from a 97 CBR600, a great unit and I've used heaps of them over the years as they work well, 'mate' to heaps of different systems and are resonably cheap. I'm waiting for the 2K laquer to harden up aftyer giving them a make over and I'll probably revisit them at the weekend and get the masking off and the the thread bolts off them with a view to getting the front brakes rigged up........maybe.
It sounds like I've done loads of stuff but I havent really, you lot know how long these things take! I'll just do those couple of jobs, probably take an hour or so, PA! by the time you've got sorted, had a thunk, got the bits out, cleaned them, faffed about, made a brew then decided the bolts that are there aren't as good as you thought so need to find some more, gone for a poo etc etc.................you've spent the morning in there and got nowt done ;D
But progress is good, I've also built the wheels whech turned up on Christmas Eve, not done any since the 400 but it went well and the process was fairly painless again, they had to come apart during aborted attempts, but only twice ;D ;D ;D
Really chuffed how they look and I came home tonight to a kitchen table full of 'Avon Roadrider' with a note on them which simply said MOVE! ;D ;D ;D best get them shifted and hopefully she'll forget for a while before I get reproached ;) ;D ;D
Thats the sort of post I like coming home to ;D ;D
The indicators are all on as are the stands and the carbs went on the other night after a check over, bench sync and the floats reset to proper heights. When I built them I never did it as I knew they would be on the shelf for a while and probably get knocked so waited to just before fitting them.
So, heaps done, progress is steady and looking forward to a day off to get a bit more done, the weekend looks hopefull but there was talk of a 27 cube concrete pour happening Saturday so things may change................me, personally, I'm praying fpr torrential sleet and high winds then it deffo wont happen ;D ;D
Would somebody that has an F2.............Yup, you Phil ;) would you mind taking some piccies of the O/S foot peg and brake switch mounting area for me? there are some differences in how the PO bodged the system on it when it had those awful rearsetts on and I have no reference to where everythig goes, Ive set it up but the spring seems at a rather daft angle and wpudnt put money on it being correct so dome decent piccies woud be dead handy if you get a min?
As normal I cant post piccies from this Chrome book as its bloody useless so I'll bob them on under here, a post at a time through the tappatalk farce so bear with.
Bit of an epic but a bit to bore you with and hopefully made you smerk cos I mentioned poo etc.
Cheers all..........
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My dear friend from the states gave it to me to fly from my house!..............eeer, yeah, right ;D As a comprimise and as I generally skype him when I'm in the shed, I have 'humoured' him by putting it up in there. Bless him, he's an absolute star.
A bit of 'taking the piss'ammo when we're chatting.
cheers fella's
Post by: Laverdaroo on January 07, 2023, 12:50:01 PM
Its the little 'L' shaped bracket thats got me, the one that holds the brake light switch, does it sit on the inward side of the frame or the outside? If the latter, the spring doesnt appear 'happy' but theres a captive nut on the rear of the frame so in that case, does it sit between the frame and the plate that holds the clutch cable and engine mount?
Any suggestions gratefully accepted.
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He said his spring is shonky also so it might be just the way?
I'm out there in a bit to have a fuddle about so I'll rig oit up and post a piccie,moght just be me being thick but with no reference I'm shooting in the dark so to speak!
How's the recovery coming along mate, you back to long jump practice on a Tuesday evening yet? ;)
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See piccies but the shaft that the spring attaches to on the inside of the frame at the top and at 90 degrees, the arm to the rear brake. It goes through the frame and the pedal goes on the other end on the ones(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230107/6c72d9efb8ff9ffc4ff9852ab20adf2d.jpg)
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It’s the open end on the right, doesn’t take much to slither off the hook so I’m ok to just tweak it up and make it more hook like, yer reckon?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230107/786de36a99f93ae09514f88058892552.jpg)
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Post by: Oddjob on January 07, 2023, 05:59:19 PM
You could always try and fit it behind the bracket and see if moving it more inboard helps.
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Is it headstock job or is it one of the rear frame rails for this year on the off side?
Anyone got a piccie?
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Post by: Laverdaroo on January 08, 2023, 10:32:36 PM
I knew I’d seen reference. Cheers both for swift responsidge
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Post by: Laverdaroo on January 19, 2023, 01:08:24 PM
So I’ve got the twin calliper’s on the front of the 550 but thought of a question whilst driving about this morning in me digger.
Is it the done thing to use two of the rigid brake lines to mount onto the calliper before using braided lines there after?
Also, twin lines or single to a splitter and a separate line to each calliper? Has anyone had good results with either methodology?
I’m going to have to get some wire out tonight and see if I can get a length for the different lines as my heap didn’t come with brake lines attached hence the ask.
Obviously if using two of the solid lines means my braided ones will be shorter, I can’t see any advantage in using them but happy to be corrected by this in the ‘know’
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Post by: K2-K6 on January 19, 2023, 01:22:38 PM
I'd favour two banjo on mc then straight run to caliper twice as simplest, least joints, extra kit etc.
Think you can only come straight out of caliper with pipe as that's conditional on sealing the taper at bottom of hole. That's as opposed to using a banjo that seals on the casting face.
Post by: Oddjob on January 19, 2023, 02:52:10 PM
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Post by: Laverdaroo on January 19, 2023, 07:55:38 PM
I have taken the metal brake line holder holder off a knackered mudgard half that I scut off a damaged one in the states ready for this and brought home and had it welded on the OS of the mudguard so for all intense and purposes it looks like it's off a twin disc bike with matching line holders in symetry. Just drilled the weld out and had it 'snotted' on' via the medium of a particularly clapped out mig welder by a pal.
So after what you guys are saying, get a pair of hard lines and come off them to the master or the splitter depending on how the mood takes me?
I'm going to have to invest in new ones as I dont have any at all and would prefer new bits....it s the brakes after all and seems silly to scrimp on the stoppers when the rest of the bike has had this much work done!
Thanls fpr the replies chaps, any piccies woud be appreciated just so its in my head as a mental image, yer know? But only if you've time.
Got the holy grail in the post this morning all the way form Germany at record speed too. :o......................4 weeks! Two days from Germany to the UK and the rest of the time languishing in the post office sorting orrifice in London apparently!................The UK, great arent we? ;D
check that bad boy out....................Piccie to follow, (crap laptop and its on me phone ;))
whoop whoop, the last (apart from the brake lines) sought after part for the build. Just waiting on sending bits off to get them Cemachromed up in Wigan and then paint n seat and thats it for spends hopefully. S another 600 quid then Roo?? DOH! ;D ;D
Surprisingly the rear shoes were brand new so saved a bit there.........they were the only new bits on it, so they've gone back in. ;D ;D...........still winning..a bit ;D
I had a right faff trying to get the rear wheel in and it just wouldn't fit! there wasnt enough room between the rear end of the swing arm to get both tentioners in and the hub!! HUGE SWEARFEST!
After getting a hub from here, a brake plate from there, new rims and spokes I had that 'cold sweat' start thinking it was going tp be an expensive cock up but on pondering over half a packet of digestives and a brew, followed by a good shot of insulin ::) I looked at the rear of the bike and noticed that the swing arm was, what appeared to be twisted, or so I thought. As it turned out, all is fine except the NS plate part that the chain tensioner goes on and that the spindle goes through was twisted inwards at the bottom. I can only presume its had a knock or been dropped at the powder coaters and I hadnt noticed. It came off the bke OK and unless you were looking for it you'd never know so I bobbed it on and admired the shiney!.
The fix was, and dont roll your eyes it worked like a bloody charm, was to put a piece of 3"x1" on either side of the arm on the inward faces and wind it apart again with pressure from a scissor jack..........and a few taps with a plastic mallet! it all checks out and everything is parallel so Im happy with the bodge, I mean fix.
Anyway, first time success and a sigh of relief, albeit a sketchy bodge. When in Rome and all that! ;)
Once the chain link is found and I can get it on the bike I can get the back end buttoned up and ready to get it off the ramp and the viffer on for some surgery. It was out by nearly a strong eighth 3/16th's (for the younger crew, about 3 n a bit mm). Squeaky bum moment averted and moved onto other stuff like the brake MC and bar associated gubbins but things are moving on.........which is nice :)
Post by: Laverdaroo on January 19, 2023, 07:55:55 PM
Behold the 'Grail'! Only been looking since December 2021 and made one already but saw this NOS............expensive though but bugger it, Happy Christmas 'Mejima' ;) :)
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on January 19, 2023, 08:00:49 PM
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In my defense this was Feb last year and he wasnt looking at the time, nor did I know how rare they were, paid fiver for it at a jumble. That one's for me to go on Mejima :) :) :) :) 8)
Post by: Laverdaroo on February 16, 2023, 12:47:13 PM
quick update and a few piccies.....
Back end, all sorted and chain on,wheel sits great and free spins beautifully so all chuffed and the bodge appears to have sorted the twisted problem!
Front caliper from Ian has been dutyfully nannied up and is languishing on the bike ready for some new lines, master cylinder prepped and ready, new levers, horn and a few other bits and bobs but mainly....THE WIRING!
It's been chatted about on other threads and Comfy Sofa (Andy) is ploughing his way through the process at the min but I set about it last weekend and got the main cables in such as the starter sol, battery etc. This week has seen the 'input' and 'output 'wires being sorted and on the first attempt............... all 'lit up' and is as it should be. ;) :) 8)
I have momentary switches on the bars and have done away with the standard ones as the ones I had, (well, one) was shot to hell so it was decided to go the Motogadget route and get some nice dinky ones.
In total theres 5 switches on the bars
Top right- indicator (push once for on, once for off)
Bottom right -start/stop (push once to start, twice to kill)
Top left (facing away from rider) - lights, flick for flash, hold for sides, press again for low, again for High beam. Tap back the same way to turn off, press and hold.
Top left facing rider - Indicator (once for on, once for off)
Lower left, Horn.
Nice and simple.
I've activated the alarm albeit it's on service mode so I can move things without setting it off, the schematic programme is in the bike and running as it should showing me individual circuits and their draw down via the APP. Keyless isnt activated yet as the Wifi is being a pig at the min, but all in all, a painless excersize with the only issuee being a faulty starter sol which meant I had to wait until yesterday before I could give it a system check with a new one.
Few loose connections but to be expected as all the Ground wires were just clipped together and I dont like to fix anything until its all on then the routing starts. They were sorted with a wiggle and it meant I could check the system out. All appears fine although I cant tell if it's charging yet as I cant start it because the pipes are being 'shinyied up' and I wont see them for a few weeks but aesthetically it's all coming together nicely.
Tank has gone off for a dent to be taken out, rear mudguard is being worked on by a pal (who does that brass thing with a torch that my PC simply wont recognise or spell right so you'll have to guess!) and I'm going to start the tidying up of the wires and get them all wrapped up this week but super chuffed with all the elastictrickery virtually complete.
I had to move the ramp last weekend so dragged her out into the sunshine for the first time and whilst there I realised that that was the first time I'd been more than 2 feet away from it. Looks OK, I reckon. Ken did notice I'd put the footpegs at the rear on backwards ;D, that'll be me standing too close!!
I spotted a few other bits but done those now and they were only routing of this n that so no drama's there.
Anyway, she's coming on.................
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Post by: Laverdaroo on February 16, 2023, 06:32:04 PM
As it's not standard I'm making it up as I go along so any advantage is a good one and by pre empting cock ups they dont become quite as awkward to sort. I'm no auto sparks but its all going well, everything works and I'm rather enjoying it.. 8)
Post by: Laverdaroo on February 17, 2023, 12:23:41 AM
At least if they're all labelled clearly, then you know which one to pull out and connect to battery to hot wire it ;D
Theres a secret 'dead mans handle' in amongst that lot anyway band they'd have to know the Munit wiring to hot wire it, but a valid point never the less. I fitted the same sort of thing with the 400 install too. Saying that all you haveto do on an OE system is poke 4" of wire into the ignition circuit block at the bars and stick the other end in one of the others (I forget which, have it written dow)to get one to go so this is a distinct improvement ;D
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 17, 2023, 11:25:45 AM
PM me with your address and how many you need - no fees involved.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on February 19, 2023, 12:17:47 PM
I'd managed to forget to organise some jets for the bike and as I've not had to buy any for the last 15 years, (last LC ownership) could anybody point me in the right direction as to where I might procure some?
I'm after a set of pilots and mains and going form others in my situation with these air boxes I read that a good starting point will be 40 on pilot and 110 on mains, could anybdy suggest a good source to order some from?
Thanks in advance
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Post by: Laverdaroo on February 19, 2023, 01:50:22 PM
I have little if no interest in them at all, providing somebody sets it all up, I can use them. If I have to do it you might as well give me a pen and paper and or two cups joined with a bit of string. I simply cant be bothered to be interested in tech ;D ;D
Thanks for the heads up buddy I'll have a look.......
Post by: Laverdaroo on February 19, 2023, 07:46:23 PM
I sent them an email, I was going round in circles and all a bit clunky!
Thanks pal
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Post by: Johnny4428 on February 20, 2023, 08:57:57 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on February 20, 2023, 01:38:37 PM
Post by: Johnny4428 on February 20, 2023, 09:19:33 PM
Just had a look back at eBay 79.14 USD
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Post by: robvangulik on February 20, 2023, 11:39:14 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on February 21, 2023, 12:16:40 AM
I'll deffo have a set of each please and more than happy to pay whatever they owe you as this is a massive favour, that's two I owe you now! ;) :)
If I can source a set of 110's I think I might be sorted then at least i can go whichever way then. Rob thast ace pal, thanks mate :D :)
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And the idle jets I have in 2 different configurations, see pic.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 02, 2023, 07:42:18 PM
I’ve waited to get a brew down and opened
He up…………chuffed with those!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230302/43ff312adaa5324393959a6837b8a89d.jpg)
Where there was heavy pitting, you can still see it but it’s on all the bits that are pretty much underneath the bike on the n/s but where I managed to reduce the areas resembling the moon, they’ve come out rather good!
I paid 60 quid for the pipe off fleabay, spent several nights trying to nanny them up and to be fair they’re a billion times better than they were but it’s hobby time do that’s free. A fat wad of abranet sheets and the final bill for the process of 360 including the vodka and tonic and carriage both ways so a shade over £400 for the set of pipes I wanted for the build and a set that are passable and will look ace on the bike
I’ve not seen a decent dent free set for sale for ages and when they do they’re knackered they still go for over a ton so I don’t think I could have done it any cheaper. Still pricey but rock n a hard place and all that. Well chuffed none the less.
Highly recommend Camcoat and the service, spot on and super quick turn around.
Cheers Ken, top contact
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Made me laugh.
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Post by: K2-K6 on March 03, 2023, 10:26:29 AM
Ca c'est les ballons de le Chein monsieur.
;D ;D
With my industrial French I once asked if the waitress in a restaurant would show me the menu (was thinking of later eating there) but the shock on her face and blushing gave me cause to think I'd properly mucked it up :o I really don't know to this day my mistake and didn't dare go back there to find out what I'd asked ;D
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 03, 2023, 10:54:57 AM
Well, when the restaurant gasped and all looked at her when she uttered this to the waiter apparently, was astonishing.
She thought she was asking fur whatever but actually she told the waiter ‘he had a really nice arse and that she could suck the chrome off a tow bar’
I was in a hit of trouble but it was funny at the time.
Learnt my lesson? nah, I’d do it again in a heartbeat
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 03, 2023, 10:56:07 AM
Be funny to know what word you used for Menu. ;) ;) ;)
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 03, 2023, 10:59:38 AM
I’d catch her out all the time, funnily enough she bloody hates me now
Ooo, the irony
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Post by: K2-K6 on March 03, 2023, 11:47:28 AM
Are you sure it was a restaurant? 8) 8) 8)I honestly can't work it out Ted, it's the same word (isn't it ? ) and pronounced "mey noo" I thought. En Famille laugh at my efforts, but won't have a go themselves ::)
Be funny to know what word you used for Menu. ;) ;) ;)
Post by: Johnny4428 on March 03, 2023, 11:52:04 AM
When my then mrs went with some pals one year to Spain on the bikes she was in a restaurant and I’d blagged myself up saying I was good abroad and spoke a bit of French, Spanish etc (French yes, Spanish, nope) She asked for advice ordering some snap and told her in a text to ask for….(and the Spanish escapes me) of which she was dead chuffed and dutifully toddled off to impress her mates with her new found Spanish lingo from her other half.
Well, when the restaurant gasped and all looked at her when she uttered this to the waiter apparently, was astonishing.
She thought she was asking fur whatever but actually she told the waiter ‘he had a really nice arse and that she could suck the chrome off a tow bar’
I was in a hit of trouble but it was funny at the time.
Learnt my lesson? nah, I’d do it again in a heartbeat
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🤣🤣🤣 I like it!
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on March 03, 2023, 02:37:48 PM
These tales remind me of my efforts when I was in the Dordogne in my late teens. Sitting outside in a bar and we were talking to a local character. For too long it would appear when his wife flung the window open and shouted him home. I said " votre femme est ne pas tres jolie" - thinking I was saying she was not very happy. In reality I had told him his wife was not pretty. Oh how we laughed when we realised....!
Post by: Nurse Julie on March 03, 2023, 02:40:19 PM
Ironically just sitting in the sunshine in Normandy at the moment.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
These tales remind me of my efforts when I was in the Dordogne in my late teens. Sitting outside in a bar and we were talking to a local character. For too long it would appear when his wife flung the window open and shouted him home. I said " votre femme est ne pas tres jolie" - thinking I was saying she was not very happy. In reality I had told him his wife was not pretty. Oh how we laughed when we realised....!
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 03, 2023, 02:40:41 PM
Roo ;DAre you sure it was a restaurant? 8) 8) 8)I honestly can't work it out Ted, it's the same word (isn't it ? ) and pronounced "mey noo" I thought. En Famille laugh at my efforts, but won't have a go themselves ::)
Be funny to know what word you used for Menu. ;) ;) ;)
Might have been your intonation ooh la la
Post by: Johnny4428 on March 03, 2023, 06:53:42 PM
Ironically just sitting in the sunshine in Normandy at the moment.Oooops! 🤣🤣🤣
These tales remind me of my efforts when I was in the Dordogne in my late teens. Sitting outside in a bar and we were talking to a local character. For too long it would appear when his wife flung the window open and shouted him home. I said " votre femme est ne pas tres jolie" - thinking I was saying she was not very happy. In reality I had told him his wife was not pretty. Oh how we laughed when we realised....!
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 04, 2023, 11:41:41 PM
Likely, likely
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 05, 2023, 08:17:04 AM
I’ll get round to it, was too excited so needed to have a look
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Post by: Sesman on March 05, 2023, 08:18:25 AM
Wish I’d kept my original header now.
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Post by: Johnny4428 on March 05, 2023, 08:50:17 AM
Sat-in Finnish? Sounds like a sauna!
Oops! Sorted! 🤣 back to school! 🤨🤨
Post by: Matt_Harrington on March 05, 2023, 09:08:00 AM
Post by: Oddjob on March 05, 2023, 02:55:50 PM
I'll have a small go at some of my Cermakrome parts Roo and see if I can really get them to shine. If I can I'll post a pic and instructions on how to do it.
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 05, 2023, 05:28:34 PM
I'll have a fiddle maybe later bjut just got home anf need a coffee marathon, knackered!
Bit of 'a sit' and some crap You Tube and I should be right. That is if I dont nod off which is a distinct possibility. I was waiting to load a dumper today with Type 1 and as he took off loaded to go dump I just had an 'elongated blink' and before I knew it he was banging on the door waking me up, ;D and he'd been and made a brew ;D ;D
Think I need an early night tonight..............Netting 40lb carp tomorrow and really looking for ward to it so need my 'A game' on tomorrow.
Might go for a bit of shed, might not dunno, we'll see.. :D
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 05, 2023, 06:58:25 PM
Ohh aye. Reet smart. Have you fired it up yet?
Wish I’d kept my original header now.
I was only going to fit these as I just love the shape and design and really think they make the bike. secretly want a Yoshi but dont like the headers really. Its only a bread fetcher anyway, its not like its a racer of any description. Just for bimbling aboout on but I love the way they've turned out. I'm glad I persued what I wanted even if it was the more difficult option.
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 05, 2023, 07:00:07 PM
Roo, was a bit dubious of whether they would look OK but they are MUCH better than anticipated - they look good...
Alright aren't they Matt, turned out pretty good really for the dosh and they're pretty much as new apart form the odd ding and a bit of pitting..........
Post by: Sesman on March 05, 2023, 07:19:01 PM
If you hadn’t been so selfish and got round to this build sooner I’d have probably attempted the reclaim and cerakote finish. Hope you are suitably ashamed😁
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 05, 2023, 07:41:18 PM
I still have that set of headers in the shed Phil. Theyve been attacked by a mig welder but savable if you know a decent fab/welder. The pipes are actually not bad. You want me to send you some piccies or are you sorted now I presume you are?
Post by: Sesman on March 05, 2023, 07:54:01 PM
Thanks for the offer by the way but I’m out of energy now. With some potential help from JH I’ll sort the seat and then it’s finished-again. Then it’s on to the Triton. I’ve spent a fortune with Andy Molnar, Amal, Norvil, Andover and Morgo. I have to get on with it.
I’ve got the cases off again and I’m going for glacier silver or satin silver cerakote. Not sure which, just yet…Might even go back to Simoniz, but I’m striving for that original slight colour contrast between crankcases and covers.
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 10, 2023, 01:26:14 PM
Anyway,
Had a tidy up of the wires and got all my boots on from the donations on here, cheers chaps, general husbandry etc etc. one thing I have noticed is that even just after testing briefly and for a total of about 2 mins total, the lovely lenses on the front indicators have managed to burn off the smoked coating leaving one clear and one a weird dirty brown??
Spoke to the sellers and a new set in its way but a bit weird, bit like when we used to put a bit of superglue in a bottle cap in a lunch box to strip imperfections in coatings on sunglasses when I worked at a big importers years ago. The fumes effect the coating and dissolve it away………..dunno how, just did as I was told
Anyhoo that done, had a fiddle about doing some more cleaning etc, the right bar clamps from Max, cheers mate and started the fuel cap I mentioned the other day in a different thread….
Coming on but check the casting marks out on the clamp I’ve not started yet. That was under smooth, black, OE paint. The one I’ve started was worse!
Things moving on slowly, still waiting on the rear mudguard before i can finish the wires but in the meantime I’ll get on with the static timing and get the carbs wet with a view to maybe……..MAYBE, trying for a start up over the weekend if all checks out.
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Post by: Oddjob on March 10, 2023, 04:46:05 PM
Amazing what the paint covers up on the original castings, some of them as really bad but most look something like that, good job there, came out really well.
Petrol cap, you could try and get that chromed? does the inner part come out? should do. Maybe post a pic so I can advise. I'd work a little more on right where the raised section meets the flat section Roo, all those little dots will detract from the finish. I know it's difficult, if it was easy we'd all be doing it. Try using some purple or light blue discs in there and then polish with some felt tips on the Dremel. Oh course that's just me, but the job is 99% perfect, a little more effort and you can get 100%.
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 10, 2023, 07:08:09 PM
The underneath is pressed into the cap, you reckon it’s detachable? Via the crimped in. It’s?
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When it was taken off the bike like in the 400, there was a black paint type coating on the inside, presumably as a barrier so sparks don’t jump.,……maybe??
Anyway, do I need to replace as it was removed during the chrome g process?
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Post by: Oddjob on March 10, 2023, 07:46:05 PM
Cap, yeah unlike the 500 that looks crimped in. No rubber seal?
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 10, 2023, 07:49:36 PM
Bit of 1977, motorcycle rear wheel inner tube it is then. I think I’ve got some left from making the hinges for the bay boxes I make up lurking under a bench, that sounds just the job. Cheers pal
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Look out Kenneth, you’ve got some competition
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Post by: Oddjob on March 11, 2023, 04:06:08 AM
I can barely make out any faults with that Roo, a very small amount left of the micro pitting but that's being hyper critical. Glad to have the competition Roo, you do know that will just spur me onto the next level don't you :D :D :D :D
When you finally get round to polishing the clamps you'll find they polish up really quickly and much brighter than normal, as I keep saying, the more prep you do the better the results are..
Proud of you Roo, glad you could make it to my level, I was getting lonely up here all by myself ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: taysidedragon on March 11, 2023, 10:37:37 AM
I don’t wear a top hat!
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It's very difficult to find a top hat with crash hat approval! And they blow off too easily. 👨🦲😲
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I don’t wear a top hat!
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You're the one in the flat cap, I'm in the chair ;D ;D
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Stop disturbing me Ken, I’m in the shed having a right polish.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 11, 2023, 04:16:58 PM
and possibly some hondabond. Oh and a glue gun but that’s a right off for obvs reasonsWhadda ya reckon folks?
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 11, 2023, 05:00:07 PM
Ken and Roo Ona day out….💥🔥🥰
lol ;D ;D ;D
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Now setting the timing static tonight and checking spark to plugs, which is all there in abundance(
) after rebuilding the coils thanks to Ash’s ace file in the drop box thingy and finishing the new loom, I notice a kind of squeal/Parp noise immediately after the starter stops! Wtf??It sounds just like that as well, the only way to describe it is it sounds a bit like the starter Parp after an old Mini or Moggy Bobbler starts. The starter didn’t do it on the bench, it’s mounted right and nothings catching/rubbing so at a bit of a loss. I’ve good oil pressure and the light goes out on cranking so all good there and oil at the head. Not heard this on a bike before. Any ideas to concentrate my investigations? And don’t say crank shells
?Yours sincerely,
Not Over Concerned but Very Intrigued (Mr).
South Bristol.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 12, 2023, 12:07:16 AM
I’ve just done the screwdriver to the ear and tried it several times and it didn’t do it once but I’m going to go over it tmrw morning, I’m just waiting for the methanol to burn out in the burner and I’m in.
Before I assembled the top end, all the journals were fastidiously cleaned and gawped at and I was pretty happy with them, I can see how a layer of paint could be missed though.
I went round every gasket surface and journal on it as there was a bit of over cerekote lurking after getting the cases, barrels and head etc done.
Good call and I might whip the clutch cover off and have a wiggle if the guns are coming out and I have to start looking at cam cover removal with no joy etc…..
Interesting one never the less……
Better to find it now then blow it up on the bench like
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 12, 2023, 05:37:09 PM
With my ear pressed against the clutch housing I think it’s probably there as the top end was Spock and span and loads of lovely oil.
If this does indeed, come from the clutch thrust bearing, what am I liking for? Is it the basket over shimmed creating a metal squeak when the pressures off the motor?
Advice required while I drop the oil please as this is still my first complete reassemble of one of these and any hint is a good one…….
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Post by: Oddjob on March 12, 2023, 05:53:16 PM
I don't think you can overshim it Roo, I used to squeeze as many on as I could and then remove the thinnest and fit the circlip and I never had any problems.
As for the gearbox bearings, did you change them?
Good news on the cam journal surfaces though.
Are you 100% sure it's coming from the bottom end?
Have you got a spare starter? Just in case it's that.
I did have a starter motor oval the bronze bearing that sits inside the end covers, AFAIK though those bearings are self lubricating, however a little oil in them couldn't hurt. Have you worked on the starter motor at all, I think it may be possible to overtighten the screws holding it together and that could cause the shaft to squeak inside the end of the bearings I suppose.
I could also be that the starter motor has dried out over the years and what you are hearing is rust and dirt being removed. It may just go away on it's own.
If the motor starts and runs ok and when shut off emits no undue noises I'd not be that worried if I'm honest.
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All spot on and refitted. I’ve not dropped the oil yet as been sorting the dawg’s tea out
After your starter mention, sounds like a worthwhile mission, I’ll whip the starter out and have a look at that as that’s the path of least resistance to start, leave the oil until I need to.
Every bearing in the cases was replaced with NEW. So I have no worries with that and all worked lovely on the bench and post assembly. I even had Uncle Bryan cast an eye over the selection etc and was given the nod and a thumbs up so not worried about that end of the motor. I could understand the clutch squealing a bit but never experienced it before.
Do you mean the two long screw/bolts that go from top to bottom as on here? This was when it went in…..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230312/d4b17731c85984ad4c5bf7ee1cb75395.jpg)
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 12, 2023, 06:16:11 PM
Not wishing to be a pessimist, but did you ensure that the cam blade tensioner was correctly seated in the crank case pocket?Yup, had that mental discussion with myself whilst chewing on-it. I remember ping it three times before I was happy. It’s deffo in right.
I crossed that off a while ago and concentrating on all ‘spinny’ things but hadn’t for some reason, thought of the starter. I was hoping to fire it today n all
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 12, 2023, 06:18:05 PM
Run it until something breaks? Then you'll know what was making the funny noise!Aaah, cheers Andy, do you know, I don’t know what the forum would do without technical brilliance such as yours.
Saying that, if it was a land rover, I would
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Post by: Oddjob on March 12, 2023, 10:29:26 PM
Does the squeal come from spinning the motor over but it not firing up or when it's fired up and it gets turned off.
If the former does cranking the motor over by the kickstart produce the same noise, if not it's pointing to a starter motor fault, if it does then it's an engine fault somewhere.
My BIL had a similar problem when he built up his or should I say my 500 last time, kept complaining of this squeal just as the engine died, turned out the camchain tensioner wasn't in right.
It was why I kept saying to you to check, check again and finally do another check. I always fit mine in the barrels before I fully lower them, if the barrels are fully down it's really hard to locate it properly, when they are raised an inch or so it goes it pretty easy.
You could also try releasing the camchain tensioner adjusting bolt, if the chain is overtight for whatever reason it would allow it to slacken off a little as the engine spins. With a new chain there is little danger.
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 12, 2023, 10:31:11 PM
However,
The Parp is evident on engine stop and restart. Bugger!
The tappetts aren’t quite there so that’s my first port of call now, then delve back into the clutch as I checked the starter, all good, re oiled up, put back and no dramas. Presumably I’ve not done the valves as well as I could have after todays lift of the lid so sort that and clutch.
Plugs were sooty black, to be expected with the wrong jets, air filter, pipe etc but that’s to fettle in a bit.
So far……..ball bearings in a baccy tin
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Post by: Trigger on March 12, 2023, 10:32:04 PM
Pass 2 and no polish yet and no polishing wheel yet. Bit bored so onto summut else for a bit but really coming on now and judging by the ferkectuon, not far off…..
Look out Kenneth, you’ve got some competition
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That was just a zinc plated part that was yellow passivated in its original form ;)
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Yes, I know, it looked awful and I hate yellow passivate, just looks dirty. hence the tart up
Just BZP it and that will stop it from going rusty and leave it with a good finish ;)
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Had the starter out and inspected, nope….
Kind of running out of stuff to check but the clutch is the next stop I feel, if I find nothing there the lumps’ coming out and I’ll have to split it I guess. Dunno really. Just can’t figure out what the ‘Parp’ is! Sent you some footage Phil, didn’t send last night when I tried.
I’ll get to it later, got a pre op this arvo so need to get that sorted out first.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 13, 2023, 09:02:57 PM
That being said, not that I’d seen the above but I’m just bobbing the starter motor off again and odds on from observations, it’s that swine
Fingers crossed, I’ll report back.
Cheers for all the help fella’s
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 13, 2023, 10:46:22 PM
Winning! 8)
BUT............... and you knew there was going to be a but, this brings me to a point brought up whilst talking to a fellow miserable, sarcastic northerner this evening who righty says or questioned. why does it do the 'parp' when you swich the engine off, it shouldn't be spinning?
Technically, as soon as you've let go of the start button, the starter isn't powered up and stops spinning. Other wise if it kept going it would be the same speed as the engine and would probably blow up at 9k on the tacho with yer chin on the tank?.
So it obviously makes the 'parp' as the motor is spinning up to speed, ok, and when the motor is turned off, presumably at a similar speed as it slows?
If I poke my finger into the hole onto the idler gear I can turn it only one way but not the other as its against the turn of the internals indicating it's maybe the balbearings in the cush assembly in the drum, one on the wonk or something and its taking up the slack ....................Bas*ard!!
I'll take the pan off tomorrow night and poke about and see if anything is visible but also we discussed there being a thread on folk getting to all the internals somehow through the pan......anyone read/seen anything or indeed carried out the operation? It will be a pig I should think but its game on and needs doing so before I fire the parts cannon, just checking to see if anybody has any experience.
thanks all, shit happen's I'll sort it ;D
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Post by: Trigger on March 14, 2023, 12:01:34 AM
Start striping and check every part as you remove and double check on reassembly ;)
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 14, 2023, 12:04:13 AM
Yes and yes, new rubbers the lot hence why I might have buggered up putting in the nall bearings. I didn't think so and thought it was all good, but it fits the symptoms as a possible so I need to look and trying not to split the cases as I'm sure you can understand ;)
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Post by: Oddjob on March 14, 2023, 02:54:00 AM
I have 2 spare primary hubs out of 550s just lying around, welcome to one if you need one, bloody heavy things though so maybe just need the starter ring part?
Of course if replacing/repairing the starter motor works then it won't be needed to be done.
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I shall be taking the path of least resistance on this, if it turns out that my digits are too large to make it satisfactory or indeed possible as I’ve got bunches of bananas for fingers, then a strip will happen but that’s the last case scenario at the moment.
Research is my first port of call.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 14, 2023, 10:14:50 AM
Cheers cocker.
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 14, 2023, 11:17:07 AM
I certainly would not be rushing to remove the engine. I would be looking at making sure everything I can reach is fully lubricated with
a light grade of oil if it's outside the engine using engine oil elsewhere. Did you use any oil when you were rebuilding the gearbox etc. If you use the kick start does that still result in the noise at any point?
It's a dry of oil sound to me as a complete amateur or something too sticky causing a drag somewhere. Does it still make that sound when the engine has earmed up?
Post by: Sesman on March 14, 2023, 11:39:10 AM
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=122084.0
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This fecker.
Good find Phil, I looked but it was using the correct terminology that I suppose counts. First pic though and he leaves the oil pump oring just hanging off the case, along with one of the dowels and it's oring, why?
I knew I'd seen it.
Post by: Oddjob on March 14, 2023, 04:36:38 PM
I'll check the hub first to see if the springs and rollers look ok as well as the surface where they engage.
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Had it apart again and notice there’s a good 2.5mm of end float laterally on the brass bearing so think that’s shot but I’ll bob(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230314/0d9e593fdfd194944b8f0b6d72b28a94.jpg)
it back together and see if it replicates after another ‘nanny’ and a re oil.
Now, never noticed this before (probably due to the years of cack which is cosmically attached via nuclear fusion through no cleaning over 40 years) but behind the bushing in the starter cap there’s a felt washer……….who knew
?Re-doused with oil and I’ve put the old brushes and original springs, I’d taken the stings off a knackered unit as they were in better nick and bought new brushes, so just in case the profile is causing the vibration I e put the original ones back in to test. They’ve loads of meat on them but are worn in so maybe make it spin with a bit less friction???
Interested to see anyhow
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 14, 2023, 10:58:37 PM
From posted gubbins and trawling the t’interweave after the hosp this arvo that’s what it’s pointing at.
The Parp on shut down is another story Ted. More research required I feel before starter clutches are removed via keyhole sergery but it’s looking that way or split the lit. Boooo!
It is what it is, I’m totally annoyed but got bigger things to sort at the min, full tooth removal with the worst toothache I’ve ever had plus solicitors being dicks on a property I’ve been trying to get on for the last 12months. Think we’re there with the site today but not counting chickens, or indeed carp, yet!
Anyway progress tonight so that’s good and one thing to potentially sort as found to be an issue but not there yet I feel!
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 14, 2023, 11:25:34 PM
It would only do it after the engine had run on shutting down indicating that the motor was spinning as the motor was, not good?! Either way that means cam back in, sprocket and the lid and try a brief fire. I’ll report back.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 14, 2023, 11:47:13 PM
There is a float on it but only when apart. It sounds sweet to me when spinning both power on and powering off. The only thing I found was a bit of detached felt from that washer stuffed into the end cap which was metal coloured so never saw it, surely it wasn’t that?. That shouldn’t have been there so hoiked it out and bobbed some ZX1 friction eliminator in the felt washer to soak in before reassembly. There’s a short clip of the end float an I’ll bob that over also if you wouldn’t mind having a look at that too?
Sorry to be a pest kid, just reassurance on things I know nowt about is a right help.
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A fat ‘mull’ and a chew required.
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Post by: Oddjob on March 15, 2023, 02:40:57 AM
Moving a starter motor shaft by hand requires some effort, they don’t spin free at all. So if it’s being spun by the engine when the engines in motion there is clearly something wrong going on inside there.
If it doesn’t spin then I’d say fixing the starter motor should solve the problem. Even if it only cures it for a year or so it would be worthwhile as that allows the primary chain to slacken off a little, I’d imagine disengaging the chain from the gear on the hub would be very difficult when it’s brand new, that’s of course referring to the keyhole method of removing the primary hub.
I’d agree on the end float question as well, they all have some.
Post by: Trigger on March 15, 2023, 07:34:49 AM
Once i have checked the insides of a starter motor, i just test it by earthing one of the long screw on a car battery and touching the live wire. It will start spinning with a it jump in your hand. If it spins fast and only a slight whirling noise, it is fine ;)
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New ball bearings, springs, circlip, new rubbers the lot went in when the motor was apart. There’s very little that was off the old motor internally!
It’s the fact that I went in there that points as a possible culprit, still not convinced but I’ll have a gawp when I get home. Just struggling fitting a security door for a pal. It’s got 8 drop/shoot bolts on it, 200mm thick and is well over a hundred kilos!
Sodding thing, I’m waiting on reinforcements as I don’t think Charles Atlas would shift this sod you’d have to have muscles on yer ears……..bloody hell!
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Post by: Oddjob on March 20, 2023, 03:07:39 PM
Early days Roo but I'd say this may turn out very interesting, especially for 550F owners as it was the gold part of the badge I was doing last night. Watch this space.
Post by: Orcade-Ian on March 20, 2023, 03:40:11 PM
I tidied up my original badges - gold was acceptable to start with, so only the black needed doing but I just looked at the badges that came with the spare tank and they are quite a bit bigger. Pins still same spacing - so what model might they be off?
The spare tank I'm using had a different flap too - with a slot to trap the filler cap whereas the original had a cap with a hinged lever. I ended up making a ring that goes around the filler hole (not present on spare tank) and aradited it on prior to painting so it looks stock. Hadn't realised there had been so many variations.
Ian
Post by: Oddjob on March 20, 2023, 03:59:35 PM
Just done the front of the badge, needs another go though. Looking ok at the moment, test will be when the white and black go back on though. I also intend to lacquer the result so as to help it cope with the weather etc.
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 21, 2023, 01:25:53 AM
When upon tightening the exhaust nuts, or just making sure after running for the first time the other day, one sheared off……..at about 81/2ft/lbs!!!
Nothing really and definitely not tweaked. I had enough thread on it to get an abstract or on it and pull it but noticed two things;
Firstly, lol at the centre of that
Secondly, sitting next to a Honda one on the left you can see the shoulders are a lot different too and deffo NOT OEM, me thinks.
I’ve checked them all and four of the eight are the same.
I bought 8 from DSS, 4 of which were in Honda bags and four in a zip bag with the Honda part number on a printed slip inside.
On the paperwork it states 8 x (said pt no) so a call to them in the morning to ‘discuss’ I feel is the way forward
More to the point if any of you have bought any from there just have a look and make sure they’re the longer saddled ones that are the OEM chaps
The others are knackered in the middle……(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230321/dad1b88237ca00505748b310c38d70d7.jpg)
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Post by: Oddjob on March 21, 2023, 02:26:22 AM
Use stainless and pair those with deep domed nuts like the ones on your vfr750. Just bought 8 6mm deep flanged domed nuts for when I do mine.
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 21, 2023, 02:30:21 AM
Have you a supplier sorted out yet for them? Saves me looking and all that
I have news te starter clutch but just got in and shagged out so off for a Kip, I’ll catch yer tmrw
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Post by: Sesman on March 21, 2023, 10:43:53 AM
Post by: Oddjob on March 21, 2023, 03:41:47 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254206786071?hash=item3b2fe7ba17:g:ORgAAOSw9rthReyM&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA8NuvCEsH9U5nDnF8VxjEQDvfQibV5IT43%2FuFKvA5JY5aBG0XdkQHfcpKA8v5TlDDjwrqWxxIAoznKuA8EDVn%2Fa7wkcEyc2cs4yTuxXNMzMitQQmEeKfzl1x%2FZnhZe2QHiP7mBs1JR7ZYO4g9ua%2FOMbQ8lI7NOB1YPwo4tnEVJqUFlVXc1%2F7tDIWUXj%2BFdBKQc%2Bj9ABRxWALVDMaOV8jJdXL80HZUDFrDza4RP95tsv%2BMly%2FNm01kFmLkqvy%2BsNM%2BwZOHKIDWz%2BYSCWJtLciQQ21fiqlN4hDUbC053UHEH%2FGphKcm7W%2Fanub5XDkylMN%2Bvg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8jdhc3gYQ
You may have to ask Trev about the inlet ones if you're interested, he does do them though.
Nuts from here.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234896491875
I don't intend to use a flat or spring washer under them, the modern bikes don't use them and they don't seem to lose them so I'll go that way as well. Unless the stud is too long for the nut in which case I'll bung a spring washer underneath.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 21, 2023, 04:20:07 PM
Post by: Sesman on March 21, 2023, 04:25:34 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 21, 2023, 04:36:47 PM
I understand your caution, Ted. Strangely enough after degreasing and painting the head I bobbed it in the oven at 200 degc for 90mins and the studs wound straight out. I double nutted the studs before baking.
Did you have to wear Oven Gloves or did you remove them when it had cooled down?
Post by: Oddjob on March 21, 2023, 04:42:23 PM
Removing exhaust studs from the cylinder head - that is something I would avoid if the steel studs are okay - call me chicken but it's a recipe for snapped studs IMHO.
Precisely my point Ted, do it now before they corrode to the point where they break when you don't want them to, at least you stand a chance when they still have some strength left.
Plenty of heat and a good extractor and you should be fine. A lot of studs actually come out with the nut as the threads behind the nut are so corroded they act as a double nut.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 22, 2023, 11:33:08 AM
Right, well, after a fraught week where my gob has reduced fettling time due to the flock of woodpeckers in my head with Hilti guns, I havent got as much done as I wanted but never the less progress has been made in the 'Shed of Dreams'.
I've sorted the 'parp' via the dry bearing on the starter and that now runs beautifully and I've not managed to replicate the noises it was making before which I bored you all with earlier, so thats sorted. Now the question of the the starter clutch still being engaged once the engine had started, this would mean the starter motor would be spinning at the same speed as the engine once in use and so potentially a ticking time bomb next to my left foot.
My Primary chain is brand new and is pretty taught so trying to get at it from underneath the bike meant that without splitting the cases, would have been virtually impossible to get out so I havent gone to that degree yet although I dropped the oil and had the bike virtually lying flat on its side with the sump off to inspect and see if theres anything to see, waggle etc., Also going through my pictures from assembly I noticed that all the bits that need to be there are in fact all there in th eright place so I have no issues with assembly so I cancelled that off the list. After finding nothing visual and finding nothing, moving where it shouldnt, rocking or catching or rubbing I put the sump back on and refilled the oil but this time removed the starter and kicked the bike over to view through the hole that the starter goes in to see if the idler spins. when the engine is running...................it doesnt..................get in! (firework emoji) ;D
It free wheels and although turns with the engine if I poke a plastic wedge in there the idler stops dead and can be pushed the other way indicating its doing what it should and all is well so I have no issue so that's avoided a strip down although its something to keep an ear out for now that its reared its head and I will keep an eye open and an ear in that direction once I get it running right and moving a bit later down the line.
Had the primary had a bit of wear on it I may have been able to get it out but thankfully it can stay put as I didnt relish that job IIH!
A bit of good news which makes a change. 8) 8)
I'm not doing Honda stuff today, my mate up the road has a really nice Yamaha DT125 YPVS that he's had from new which he wants to sell so wants it checking over before he advertises it. Today is going to be a nice change and playing with a two stroke for a bit. We aways referred to them as a "Death Trap 125" but they are a hoot and one of the easiest bikes to wheelie.........ever ;D, just a shame this one is a nasty white and pink one...eeessshhh! Why would you buy a pink bike??? FFS!
So after the worry that the engine may have to come out, thankfully thats not the case and I can relax a bit, but only for a bit ;D
Top news though!
I have however, finished and had welded the bracket for the end can. Due to it's size and shape theres not many places to attach it to so have to make the best of a bad do and although these arent the bolts that will stay on it Theyre just there until I can get some new stainless ones ordered. Theyre fine, just allen heads and the only ones on the bike and I'd prefer dome heads or something similar to the rest so I'll invetsigate that.
£4 peice of ally form the kitchen fab place down the road and a bout 5 hours fiddling time, plus a drink for the welder at the tractor place down the road and the whole thing stands me at about £18 and a fist full of Neproxin pain killers. I did about 6 different templates but decided this wold be the better fit and the least fussy so went with that. Needs a polish but doesnt look too bad. I appreciate it wont be everyones cup of tea but it suits the bike and should add to the look once done.
Cheers for the heads up on the stainless Ken, I've ordered those. I had some stainless dome head nuts here so they can go on, dont know why I didnt fit them anyway, think I forgot I had them. They should be coming later in the week so I can cross that off the list now too.
Although far from my best week, things are still creeping on by and getting sorted, just got to get the running right now and I might have a bike.
cheers for all the help with th estarer issue and the advice, info etc. Top drills fellas, cheers
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 22, 2023, 11:33:18 AM
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Post by: Sesman on March 22, 2023, 11:49:05 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 22, 2023, 12:00:13 PM
Bit of a buger as the can is conical, the footpeg stay is striaght but the bottom part that connects the bracket to the frame is also pitched 7mm from front, upwards to the back. The angles involved were a bit bonkers as there wasnt a straight edge to start from as a datum and I could have dont it an easier way no doubt but it was a good thinking excersice and a welcome distraction. I had bits of tape, sliding bevels, alsorts strapped to it so I could get it cock on. Quite happy with it though, going to get back on it tonight and try to make it a bit more presentable.
Releived is and understatement Phil re the starer clutch ::) :o :)
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 22, 2023, 12:05:55 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 22, 2023, 12:16:44 PM
I think the only bits of the bike that came from the original pile are the motor, carbs, top yolk (not tripple tree ???) and coils the rest has had to be sought and bought.
Did somebody mention Triggers Broom a while ago? ;D
It was never going to be a concourse resto and was only ever going to be a mongrel ;D
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 22, 2023, 12:34:29 PM
Did burn my forearm on the bloody wire support thing, though.🔥🥲
That made me smile - we have all done it I guess - we had a set of those Silicone rubber safety wrap edge things that Aldi used to sell to stop me doing it again.
They work great but look a bit crap after a few months when burnt fat marks them - binned when we had a new kitchen.
Post by: Sesman on March 22, 2023, 12:34:53 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 22, 2023, 12:54:46 PM
Post by: Sesman on March 22, 2023, 03:34:37 PM
Post by: Oddjob on March 22, 2023, 03:45:49 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 22, 2023, 04:31:43 PM
I resemble that remark!
Least I’m not from Manchester though and from the bestest county
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Post by: Bryanj on March 22, 2023, 04:40:57 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 22, 2023, 04:41:42 PM
Don’t worry, I’m immune to rohipnol
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Post by: Oddjob on March 22, 2023, 07:34:23 PM
Cheers for the heads up on the stainless Ken, I've ordered those. I had some stainless dome head nuts here so they can go on, dont know why I didnt fit them anyway, think I forgot I had them. They should be coming later in the week so I can cross that off the list now too.
Be careful using normal domed headed nuts, if they are too shallow the threads bottom out and you think the nuts tight and it's not OR the thread comes right through the head of the dome and ruins the nut. The ones I listed are very deep so this shouldn't happen.
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 22, 2023, 07:56:27 PM
Ordered £150 quids worth of if good parts and service items for it today and started to get get rid of all the shite that’s been stuck on it in the past 29 years, (M plate 95)
Road ready, fully serviced and a ticket it’ll go on eBay for about £2,500 probably.
Thankfully I was wrong it’s a white one with blue bits on it not white and pink…….phew!
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Post by: Sesman on March 22, 2023, 09:43:12 PM
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on March 22, 2023, 10:38:54 PM
Measured up and got the bits today bud from a local supplier, dome nuts are on washers so that doesn’t happen, gonna bob em on tonight as I’ve been fiddling withDT125R carbs today getting a good one together. It’s a tired bike but the engines really good so it’s worth the nannying and there’s some beans left to bank at that dosh when it sells
Ordered £150 quids worth of if good parts and service items for it today and started to get get rid of all the shite that’s been stuck on it in the past 29 years, (M plate 95)
Road ready, fully serviced and a ticket it’ll go on eBay for about £2,500 probably.
Thankfully I was wrong it’s a white one with blue bits on it not white and pink…….phew!
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Will that be pre 12hp law Roo?
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 22, 2023, 11:45:51 PM
Still not from Yorkshire, though eh RooHa haa
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 22, 2023, 11:54:15 PM
It’s got the obligatory Fresco pipe on the end and KnN filter, upgraded silly plug etc but it’s probably still 22hp now. They were good for about 18-21bhp depending on the fettle I their day. They were just the TZR motor and you could make those go like hell but also grenade quite nicely if removing too much of the standard stuff and replacing it with 17 year old engineering
We had a pals clocked at 114mph once which was positively supersonic to us at the time.
I shouldn’t go no the reducer washer has been ground out of the pipe at the front but that’s to come. Took the carb off it tonight to clean up and found this. It works and is sealed but bloody hell, that’s proper gash
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Post by: Oddjob on March 23, 2023, 12:34:51 AM
Dirt cheap
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 23, 2023, 12:46:39 AM
I reckon I can get a float bowl from somewhere haven’t really looked yet. Yambits might do one, they’ve pretty much got most of Yamahas old stock so it’s highly likely.
I did look at that but it’s not worth the bloody hassle mate.
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Post by: Oddjob on March 23, 2023, 03:35:56 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 23, 2023, 03:39:02 AM
I’ve just come in, been awake with tooth rot so went and did some polishing while that carb pickled in the sonic cleaner thingy for bc a bit. Just climbed back to me put. 🥱
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Post by: Rozabikes Tim on March 23, 2023, 09:20:48 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 23, 2023, 01:40:37 PM
I wouldn’t either it’s a bloody awful fix. But having been 17 once and needing to fix things on the fly on the way to work etc, I can understand why it’s been done
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Post by: Laverdaroo on March 23, 2023, 01:49:29 PM
Didn’t spell check that did I, meant to ready, ‘barely 12hp now’
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Post by: Oddjob on March 23, 2023, 02:09:59 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 23, 2023, 02:21:01 PM
Usual state of soul destroying affairs, you think that you can get that little mark out but as you just get rid of it it starts to grow and get bigger. Getting there now but it was a 2:30am sesh again last night!!
Being sol close to it and working on it for so long last night you notice stuff and it’s fairly apparent that they actually put marks on it in their crap process they do.
Really disappointing.
If you say you’re gonna do something, just do it, that’s what I’m paying for but bar about 5 or 6 companies I’ve dealt with this year, it seems folk just can’t be arsed anymore.
I’ll get it right but it possibly means that this is the most expensive sprocket cover on the planet
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Post by: Oddjob on March 23, 2023, 02:45:27 PM
The new polishing stuff is for very small areas only Roo, maybe areas like screw holes on those casings where the polishing mop can't get into and little sunken areas that the mop misses as well, I'd do some of those using a Dremel and a small felt tipped mop but the level of shine wasn't as good as you can't get the same amount of pressure or power in there to get that level of shine. Better than leaving them as dull areas though. The best thing about the new stuff is they don't use any polish, whether that means the finish will be crap is the question, only time will tell.
I found my old brake plate the other day, the one I'd given up on and thrown in a box, I saw it and thought I'd get it ceramic coated satin black instead and see whether I liked it better than the polished one I've done. However after looking at it again I decided to give it another go and see if I can get it polished up, must be 50-60 hours of work gone into that piece, even if I charged £5 an hour that would make it bloody expensive to buy.
Doing the lettering on my switchgear at the moment, done 2 coats and may not at least one more before I clean off the excess. Then fit all the gubbins back inside the 3 switches, and that's one job finally finished, already replaced the external wire sheath and they are looking really nice, better than original in fact. Just got to finish the handlebars and get them chromed and I can finally mount them on the bars. Started to take shape a little, very soon I'll have at least one eighth of the bike finished ;D ;D
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 23, 2023, 02:50:57 PM
It’ll be the cleanest and shiniest eighth of a bike in existence mind
The blooms I can be doing with, the fact that they grow into puts is amazing. I’ll get there and those little fingy’s youve got sound great, keep me posted. Those area on the downward side they haven’t even bothered with so need doing from scratch, I’m already 12hours into this! No fingerprints left in my right hand, no, not from that Phil
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Post by: Laverdaroo on April 13, 2023, 06:11:23 PM
She’ll be off the road from next week with a bit of luck for a much needed fettle
Not 550 related but just thought I’d leave it here rather than faffing about with a new post
£200 and a great deal. Stainless steel and lovely welding, what’s not to like? Let’s see if this octopus fits
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Post by: Laverdaroo on April 14, 2023, 02:50:22 PM
Yeah I think they’re numbered and should be too much of an issue, more the fact I still have the original pipes on her, they’re 21 years old now so not done too bad I reckon but one of two things will happen.
1. Snapped studs, Anglo Saxon a go go
or…..
2. They’ll fall off as they’ve had enough now and time to die
Considering it’s a known fault they‘be lasted really well. The reg rec is supposed to be an Achilles heel too but I still have the OE one on there
You think of the time gone into them, materials, wages, transport and packing and you wonder how there’s a profit in it for the manufacturer
Post by: Laverdaroo on April 22, 2023, 12:21:57 PM
Primed it for me too which is nice!
I saw it before it was painted and there’s minimal filler and all boshed out by hand so quite chuffed with that.
That spurred me on to fiddle further with mudguards etc so we’re on it with the Isopon P38 this morning to get things ready for paint
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Post by: gary123 on April 22, 2023, 12:39:45 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on April 22, 2023, 12:59:24 PM
Coming on over a packet of rich Tea’s
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Post by: Oddjob on April 22, 2023, 01:49:05 PM
That firm that's saying they think the rear mudguard is made of cheap stainless steel and so won't chrome well is wrong I think.
Just remembered seeing a pic of Micks Lazarus project where his rear guard has clearly been rechromed, http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,26913.165.html reply 177. You can clearly see the pits under the chrome where the guards aren't properly chromed by Honda and they rust quite badly. These never seem to clean up well and you're forced to chrome over the top of the pits. If Mick can get his done and I'm fairly sure there are loads of others who have also had a rear guard done then no reason you can't get yours done, unless the guard isn't a genuine Honda one of course.
Sure you've got the same power supply as me for the zinc plating. What do you set it at?
Post by: Laverdaroo on April 22, 2023, 02:28:09 PM
Said it was not possible so it’s already filled, sanded and primed at the min. Gonna paint it instead of buggering about at loads of cost.
If I see a better mudguard later in the year I’ll swap them but it’ll have to do for now.
Funds are a bit low so nannying up stuff seems the wise thing to do
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Post by: Laverdaroo on April 23, 2023, 05:22:20 PM
Could anyone that has one on their bike provide me with the height and width dims of this badge please?
Just investigating options………
Fanks
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Post by: Oddjob on April 23, 2023, 06:59:47 PM
If I could find my spare scrap badges I'd give it a go.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on April 24, 2023, 07:48:35 PM
I’ve got normal clear and might use that but if there’s anything better out there happy to have a go.
Cheers
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Post by: Oddjob on April 24, 2023, 09:11:53 PM
I intend to reduce the hole in mine so they fit better.
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Post by: Matt_Harrington on April 26, 2023, 09:17:07 AM
Matt
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Post by: Laverdaroo on April 26, 2023, 07:18:37 PM
I was going to rely on post as I won’t be going out in the next 14 days. Not looking like bloody steptoe
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Post by: Laverdaroo on April 26, 2023, 09:24:29 PM
Get stuffed Phil
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Post by: Oddjob on April 27, 2023, 02:54:04 AM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on April 27, 2023, 05:43:11 AM
I had my eye operation on Tuesday - good news is I thought it was less painful than a visit to the dentist on the day(sorry).
However the pain was on hold for 24 hours now I feel as though my right eye socket and cheekbone have run into a brick wall at 30 mph.
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Post by: Laverdaroo on May 01, 2023, 03:49:54 PM
No matter how much you look forward to being allowed to live off as much angel delight as you like, by day two it’s a bit dull
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Post by: gary123 on May 01, 2023, 06:57:11 PM
First set of new ‘grinners’ coming tomorrow
No matter how much you look forward to being allowed to live off as much angel delight as you like, by day two it’s a bit dull
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Jeez Roo, Thats a hell of an improvement. Face lift as well? ;D ;D ;D. Loose the shades though.
Hope you doing well. ;)
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 01, 2023, 07:01:02 PM
I dunno, the shades kinda kill it baby
Cheers Gary
Just got the Long Haired General’s 400 on the bench to swap the bars while I wait on deliveries. Cut the grass first like to gain the shed time
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Spotting all sorts of stuff to do
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Post by: Laverdaroo on May 15, 2023, 10:49:57 PM
Did spring a leak however but going to get some new o rings for the cover and have a look how things are sitting. The other side is a lot drier and shows no signs of excess oil so it might be me on assembly?
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Post by: Laverdaroo on May 15, 2023, 11:23:47 PM
It was going to be either the rings or those washers in some configuration but didn’t know if there was anything else to be wary of and to keep an eye out for
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Post by: mickwinf on May 16, 2023, 09:04:08 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 16, 2023, 10:17:41 AM
It’s a possibility and if you’ve suffered Mick, I’ll be sure to check it out.
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Post by: davidcumbria on May 16, 2023, 09:07:13 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on May 17, 2023, 10:03:07 AM
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Post by: Laverdaroo on May 22, 2023, 11:01:06 PM
Laid it on the vice end and tapped it flat, annealed the copper washer again and replaced the ally one that goes underneath. Bolt in, sorted and no leaks even if the motor is faffing about at the moment due to ignition issues.
Anyway, all good and apart from the ignotion fault, quite happy to have no disasters appear so far. Mangaed to get both the mudguards on and finished so I have to
sort ignition
Tune up and check
Tweak headstock bearings
Bleed front brakes, fix lines and mount staying rubbers into mudguard
De rust tank and paint
Start to make the seat and cover
Nearlt done, whoop whoop, theres a chance of getting her out on the road this year at this rate.